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[Cooter]

I didn't see a thread so please forgive me if there is one out there.

When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.' Edwards made the unprecedented campaign promises during 30-minute speech at Newton High School gym in Newton, Iowa...

I think this is despicable

What nerve, using the death of Reeves not even 24 hours after his passing for political gain.

Not to mention there is no way it is ever going to happen.

 

[Saint Cornelius]

I think you're despicable, actually

 

[Dan]

*sigh* I knew this would happen. I guarantee he'll be mentioned in the next debate to a greater extent than last time.

 

[gofreak]

He should have thought about that a few seconds longer..

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

They'd be stupid not to use it. First thing I thought when I heard about Reeve is that that democrats have a huge chance to get sympathy coupling it with stem cells.

 

[dem]

Eh? They were using him as an example before he died.

I highly doubt Christopher Reeves family minds. Infact I'm sure they encourage it.

 

[Dan]

They'd be stupid not to use it. First thing I thought when I heard about Reeve is that that democrats have a huge chance to get sympathy coupling it with stem cells.

Yeah, but a lot of 'smart' political moves aren't exactly worthy of respect.

 

[Cooter]

I think you're despicable, actually

There's a thin line between........ you know the rest.

 

[Incognito]

I didn't see a thread so please forgive me if there is one out there.



I think this is despicable

What nerve, using the death of Reeves not even 24 hours after his passing for political gain.

Not to mention it there is no way it is ever going to happen.

why is it despicable? they want to lift the ban of stem cell research, and that could very well lead to saving a lot of lives.

you know what I find despicable? being misled to war and having 1000+ of our troops DEAD.

your priorites are fucked.

 

[videogamer]

Eh? They were using him as an example before he died.

I highly doubt Christopher Reeves family minds. Infact I'm sure they encourage it.

It would probably be better if the family started saying it, then the candidates could follow.

 

[Mercury Fred]

I think this is despicable

Oooh. Righteous indignation. That's novel considering the amount of blood on this administration's hands.

 

[Combine]

Edwards said a little bit more apparently. From drudge:

Edwards: 'We will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases... When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.' Edwards made the unprecedented campaign promises during 30-minute speech at Newton High School gym in Newton, Iowa...

 

[Dilbert]

Edwards claims Kerry presidency will help people like Reeves walk again.

Considering he's DEAD, that would be really fucking impressive.

Unless you're a scientist currently working in stem cell research, I hardly think you're qualified to make the statement that "there is no way [cures for diseases due to stem cell research] is ever going to happen." I can guarantee that if we don't continue forward with the science, though, that we definitely won't make any progress...which is where Kerry and Bush differ.

 

[Saint Cornelius]

There's a thin line between........ you know the rest.

No, actually, I'm not familiar with whatever fascist slogans you're throwing about.

 

[videogamer]

Edwards said a little bit more apparently. From drudge:

Democrats need to stop overhyping this issue.

 

[dem]

It would probably be better if the family started saying it, then the candidates could follow.

Correct me if I'm wrong... but wasnt Chris Reeve FIRMLY behind John Kerry?


Theres nothing going on here. Way to make a story out of NOTHING.

 

[BigJonsson]

I see nothing wrong with that, he is being optimistic, setting goals that would help mankind....but first stem cells need to be given a chance

 

[Triumph]

A more accurate statement would have been that "Another four years of President Bush would mean that people like Christopher Reeves and Michael J. Fox would have no hope of progress being made towards cures for them." That is factually accurate, wouldn't you say Cooter?

 

[PotatoeMasher]

 

[videogamer]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but wasnt Chris Reeve FIRMLY behind John Kerry?


Theres nothing going on here. Way to make a story out of NOTHING.

I mean, after his death. It looks different when he's dead, and having family members say it appears more respectable.

 

[Cooter]

why is it despicable? they want to lift the ban of stem cell research, and that could very well lead to saving a lot of lives.

you know what I find despicable? being misled to war and having 1000+ of our troops DEAD.

your priorites are fucked.

Must everything go back to Iraq?

Why is it despicable? How about the fact that there are millions of people in wheelchairs who shouldn't be pandered to by the death of a famous actor? Everyone and anyone know that stem cell research is in its infancy and the situation that Edwards described is not even close to becoming a reality.

It is a sick attempt to capitalize on Reeve’s death and if you can’t see that then I don’t know what else to say.

 

[mashoutposse]

I didn't see a thread so please forgive me if there is one out there.



I think this is despicable

What nerve, using the death of Reeves not even 24 hours after his passing for political gain.

Not to mention there is no way it is ever going to happen.

Um, Kerry used Reeve as an example just a couple of days before he died. Didn't you watch the debate?

 

[Fresh Prince]

A more accurate statement would have been that "Another four years of President Bush would mean that people like Christopher Reeves and Michael J. Fox would have no hope of progress being made towards cures for them." That is factually accurate, wouldn't you say Cooter?

IAWTP.

 

[Goreomedy]

Everyone and anyone know that stem cell research is in its infancy.

It probably would be in its infancy, had it not been ABORTED by conservatives.

 

[LakeEarth]

Must everything go back to Iraq?

Why is it despicable? How about the fact that there are millions of people in wheelchairs who shouldn't be pandered to by the death of a famous actor? Everyone and anyone know that stem cell research is in its infancy and the situation that Edwards described is not even close to becoming a reality.

Of course it's in it's infancy if they ban researching them.

 

[videogamer]

Of course it's in it's infancy if they ban researching them.

Ban on federal government funding on embryonic stem cells, not a total ban. Of course, most research grants come from the government, so it has a similar effect.

 

[Cooter]

No, actually, I'm not familiar with whatever fascist slogans you're throwing about.

It's an old line Papa Mussolini used to tell me when I was a kid. I'm surprised you have never heard of it.

A more accurate statement would have been that "Another four years of President Bush would mean that people like Christopher Reeves and Michael J. Fox would have less hope of progress being made towards cures for them." That is factually accurate, wouldn't you say Cooter?

Yeah, I'd say that is much more accurate.

EDIT:

Of course it's in it's infancy if they ban researching them.

There is plenty of research happening. However, it is not being funded by the federal government.

Oops, didn't see eggplant.

 

[Dan]

Just as long as I don't see anything like "if Bush weren't president, Reeve would be alive" then I guess it's fine. But there's a line where invoking his name becomes way too manipulative.

 

[Incognito]

Must everything go back to Iraq?

Why is it despicable? How about the fact that there are millions of people in wheelchairs who shouldn't be pandered to by the death of a famous actor? Everyone and anyone know that stem cell research is in its infancy and the situation that Edwards described is not even close to becoming a reality.

It is a sick attempt to capitalize on Reeve’s death and if you can’t see that then I don’t know what else to say.

:lol :lol

it's not in its infancy in other parts of the world. there's been great progess, but in this country, we're lagging way behind.

why is that...

 

[theo]

I am sick of seeing Reeve spelt as Reeves.

</rant>

 

[Triumph]

Yeah, I'd say that is much more accurate.

EDIT:



There is plenty of research happening. However, it is not being funded by the federal government.

Oops, didn't see eggplant.

And you're ok with the implications of that statement? How so?

Since most research is funded by the federal govt., then the current policy is tantamount to killing the research.

 

[Cooter]

Actually I'm against the administration on this issue Raoul.

 

[cvxfreak]

Cooter... sounds like Hooter. :lol j/k

Anyway, I think Edwards made a claim more symbollic than it actually is - meaning that Bush will only serve to delay valuable research, while Kerry plans to push it forward.

 

[Socreges]

I was going to say that what Edwards did was pretty pathetic. But considering that the Reeve family, as dem said, would encourage talking points such as these, I can't fault him. It remains exploitation for political gain, but just about everything is.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

"Reeve supported Kerry fully, and was a proponent of stem cell research. He's now dead"


Vote Bush-Cheney '04


"I'm George Bush and I approved this message"

 

[dem]

Is there a neverending supply of pictures that make George Bush look like a complete retard?

 

[CrimsonSkies]

Essentially what he is saying is that Bush keeps people like Reeve in their wheel chairs by not doing anything. Which I find to be an incredibly moronic comment. Anyone that wants to dismiss Gomer's stupid statement because you are voting for the ticket is amusing.

 

[Late Stage Marxist]

It's in poor taste, but I still think Reeves would want the dems to strive towards an America that is ready for stem-cell research.

 

[Mike Works]

Edwards claims Kerry presidency will help people like Reeves walk again.

 

[impirius]

Edwards: 'We will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases... When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.'

 

[cvxfreak]

Is there a neverending supply of pictures that make George Bush look like a complete retard?

Neverending, bottomless, infinite... pick an adjective and have yourself a party!

 

[KingV]

While I disagree with the ban on federal funding for stem cell research, I would say that most reasonable people would agree that curing paralysis, alzheimers, and parkinson's via stem cell research is farther away than 4 years. It's a false promise, and there's practically nil chance that they could deliver on it. In that sense it's in poor taste.

 

[Shompola]

And bush uses 9/11 as an excuse to be the next president. War on terrirism!!!! no difference here really.

 

[xsarien]

Actually I'm against the administration on this issue Raoul.

That's a fucking first.

And furthermore, do you know what's despicable? This administration constantly, obnoxiously, and cynically dragging out 9/11 whenever it suits them. The RNC, what little of it I bothered to watch, all but wheeled out a few pick-up trucks worth of weeping widows, each waving their own American flags.

Kerry mentioning Reeve by name (something he was wont to do before he passed away), so we can have a tangible example of legitimate role models who don't have to die is nothing compared to the offensive rhetoric dished out by the White House and its cronies in the past three years. Kerry's strong support of stem cell research is yet another reason why I'm voting for him. If Bush wants to preach, that's fine. But it's inappropriate to do it from the oval office.

While I disagree with the ban on federal funding for stem cell research, I would say that most reasonable people would agree that curing paralysis, alzheimers, and parkinson's via stem cell research is farther away than 4 years. It's a false promise, and there's practically nil chance that they could deliver on it. In that sense it's in poor taste.

And with each passing day that he lets the federal ban on funding this stay in effect, the cures get one day further away.

 

[Seth C]

why is it despicable? they want to lift the ban of stem cell research, and that could very well lead to saving a lot of lives.

you know what I find despicable? being misled to war and having 1000+ of our troops DEAD.

your priorites are fucked.

Mmm, now I know who to vote for.

Bush in 2004!

 

[-=DoAvl=-]

...people like Christopher Reeve are going get up out of that wheelchair and walk again...

this is SoooOOooo 1987.....

 

[MetatronM]

I didn't see a thread so please forgive me if there is one out there.



I think this is despicable

What nerve, using the death of Reeves not even 24 hours after his passing for political gain.

Not to mention there is no way it is ever going to happen.

Did you somehow forget that they were talking about him before he died too. And that Reeve made a personal phone call to Kerry a few hours before he died to tell him to keep the topic alive and keep talking about it?

Those dastardly librulsn and their taking advantage of the dead for political gain.

I bet they will even try to invoke the imagery of 9/11 when 3000 Americans died in the next debate. Those damned libruls make me sick.

 

[KingV]

And with each passing day that he lets the federal ban on funding this stay in effect, the cures get one day further away.

Like I said, I disagree with the ban on the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. I understand that it's a technology that has immense potential. To say however, that stem cell research will definitely cure paralysis, alzheimer's, or any other disease soon reminds me of the promises made at the beginning of the nuclear age. At the time, nuclear power was supposed to be the solution for everything. We were going to use it to reshape the countryside and cure famine, fuel everything from homes to cars to planes, and mix activated materials in with asphalt so that roads never froze over. I work with nuclear power, I understand better than most its potential drawbacks and benefits, and in my opinion it should probably be used more than it is today, but it's primarily because of past problems and common misconceptions that it isn't.

However, nuclear power certainly hasn't lived up to all of its past promises. Embryonic stem cell research is still relatively new, there have been no clinical trials on humans for anything, and there's still problems in using stem cells on test animals. I find it highly irresponsible to suggest that a cure for dozens of common ailments is indeed in sight, even though this technology is promising. There's a chance that stem cell research will cure all of these ailments, and more, maybe even in our lifetime. However, I think it's far more likely that stem cell research will result in effective treatments for a variety of ailments without living up to the high flung promises politicians make for it today. Maybe a cure for paralysis is far away because of the lack of federal funding on embryonic stem cell research, but to say it definitively is at best highly misleading.

 

[belgurdo]

 

[Link648099]

Does not anyone here realize that there is federal funding for stem cell research?

Stem cell research is totally legal under the Bush administration, although the destruction of live, human embryos for the sole purpose of scientific research is not.

Ethically, we are not allowed to perform dangerous, life threatening experiments on human beings, and that ethic naturally falls to human fetuses as well.

Why do most people here find that so hard to comprehend? Does anyone even value human life anymore? Certainly non of you would willingly give yourselves over to a bunch of scientists to experiment on knowing that you wont survive the experience. Is it too hard to afford that same, basic right to a human being who does not have the ability, or the oppurtunity, to object to the same degree I know any of you would?

This is not a cut and dry issue that most try to make it out too be. Before any medical breakthroughs can ever be reached, a human life has to first be exterminated.

For the majority of people with the most basic senses of morality, that is simply going too far.

Stem cell research is funded by federal grants, but the intentionl killing of innocent lives to obtain those stem cells are not.

I swear, after being in these forums long enough, I think I can safely say a high number of people here would more willing to afford more rights to known and convicted terrorists then to human fetuses.

The Nazis performed experiments on live human beings, and look what we thought of them. And now look at what people are calling for with embryonic stem cell research.

There is no difference.