EGM GOTY?

Ramirez said:
Oh c'mon.

That's what I felt. The abrupt ending, the environment graphics looking almost exactly like those in Halo 1. Felt more like a sequel in the vain of doom 1 and 2, or the last 3 GTA games. Not that that's a bad thing I guess, but I just wanted more out of Halo 2 (considering how Halo 1 impressed me at the time). Perhaps I will like Halo 3 on the xbox2/xenon/josephine (whatever the hell it's final name is gonna be) as much as I did Halo 1.
 
Pimpbaa said:
How is Halo 2 more of a value than Half Life 2? Considering the mods that are out and are coming out, HL2 is a much better value.

That's the caveat. You can't rate a game based upon what you think it could ultimately have. You have to base your evaluation of a game on what the publisher sends you. You never know what can happen after that. And to clear things up, I like MGS3 and think it's the best of the series. But I think many of the additions failed to make the game better than MGS2 from a gameplay perspective.
 
satterfield said:
That's the caveat. You can't rate a game based upon what you think it could ultimately have. You have to base your evaluation of a game on what the publisher sends you.

You still have to take it into consideration. But not considering future mods, I still fail to see how Halo 2 is a better value. You yourself said the single player was better in HL2, plus it comes with counter strike source (the most popular online fps mod), which can be played online without paying any additional fees (xbox live).
 
Meier said:
Err, you're missing the point -- Halo fans bought it initially and created or renewed their live accounts to play it but many have been vastly disappointed by it in the long run due to changes to hit detection, among other things. I know a crew of about 20 guys who played Halo daily for 5-6 hours for literally years straight who have already given up on Halo 2 since it's (in their opinion) a step backwards from the original.

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No offense intended, Meier, but Halo 2 has sold over 6.3 million copies and more than Halo so your circle of 20 friends doesn't mean much. You're making a generalized statement of 800,000 people off of 20.
 
I think this thread alone proves my point. There is no consensus among the posters on this board just like there's no consensus among the major gaming mags as to what was Game of the Year. Hell, Play picked Fable for GotY! There are definitely at least five to eight choices that someone can easily argue should win the award for BEST GAME OF 2004.

I really don't even think there's a question about that. No game was so good it towered over the rest no matter what Satterfield says.
 
Mrbob said:
No offense intended, Meier, but Halo 2 has sold over 6.3 million copies and more than Halo so your circle of 20 friends doesn't mean much. You're making a generalized statement of 800,000 people off of 20.
Is "many" a generalization?
 
An Xbox game takes GOTY again. Xbox Live is growing by leaps and bounds. Metroid Prime 2 bombed. MGS 3 bombed. GTA:SA couldn't sell anywhere as much as Halo2 relative to the two userbases of their respective systems. The masses have spoken and the rest of you should learn to live with it instead of being so bitter. Peace :)

Halo 2 - Xbox Live Statistics
(last 24 hrs)

Unique Players: 467,209

Matches Logged: 1,243,769

Players Online: 104,894

Almost half a million unique users every 24 hours. GOTY indeed!
 
Sysgen said:
An Xbox game takes GOTY again. Xbox Live is growing by leaps and bounds. Metroid Prime 2 bombed. MGS 3 bombed. GTA:SA couldn't sell anywhere as much as Halo2 relative to the two userbases of their respective systems. The masses have spoken and the rest of you should learn to live with it instead of being so bitter. Peace :)

Halo 2 - Xbox Live Statistics
(last 24 hrs)

Unique Players: 467,209

Matches Logged: 1,243,769

Players Online: 104,894

Almost half a million unique users every 24 hours. GOTY indeed!

You're playing the numbers game, but then retract and put in qualifiers like 'relative to the two userbases'? MGS3 most certainly did not bomb and diminishing the selling power of GTA:SA in relation to Halo 2 is not sound logic.
 
Dave Long said:
I really don't even think there's a question about that. No game was so good it towered over the rest no matter what Satterfield says.

I never said Halo 2 towered over the rest. I said Halo 2 towered over MGS3. In fact, I said that Half-Life 2 was nearly Halo 2's equal.
 
It's funny though, me and my brother went back to Halo 1 multiplayer after Halo 2 multi. I blame that on the levels that are too big for 2 players, though.
 
Pimpbaa said:
Hiromi Oshima (June 2004 Playmate). Google her, i'm sure you'll find lots of pics of her.
Oh my god, thank you
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This thread needs more anecdotes.

I have a cousin who had a friend who has a Pulp Fiction love slave who stopped playing Halo 2 altogether. And he was a HALO 1 FANBOY!

Seriously STFW if Halo 2 got EGM GOTY? You can argue that it sold 7 Million on hype and not quality but for editors of a mag who play hundreds of games a year to choose it for GOTY a couple months later over other games it probably deserved it. To them. Halo 2 can be a game of the year. Note the italics on can.
 
satterfield said:
I never said Halo 2 towered over the rest. I said Halo 2 towered over MGS3. In fact, I said that Half-Life 2 was nearly Halo 2's equal.

I was replying to this...

satterfield said:
I disagree. If you look around you'll see that Halo 2 really is the concensus pick.

I really don't think that's the case. Halo 2 hasn't won Game of the Year a lot of places. It's just one of about five or more games that people really think is the best game from last year. This year, like a lot of years, there is no one clear pick. There can be plenty of real debate and MGS3 definitely can be a part of that debate as I've heard plenty of folks call it their favorite game from 2004.
 
GA is just about the only place that chose MGS3 as game of the year. Personally, I wouldn't even place it in the top five or six of last year.
PSM did. IGN gave it to Half-Life 2. GameSpot gave it to World of WarCraft. OPM gave it to Burnout 3. Play gave it to Fable. There was a lot of competition, and Halo 2 is the least deserved of any of the praise as far as I'm concerned --and that's what all of this is; merely people's opinions. And I would certainly take my opinion over any gaming journalist, any day of the week. :p

satterfield said:
A lot of Halo 2 haters are PC gamers who hate to see the holy grail of PC games, Half-Life 2, get second place. A lot of Halo 2 haters are Nintendo fanboys who are disappointed that Prime 2 dropped the ball. A lot of Halo 2 haters are MGS fanboys.
I'm a PC gamer, love Metroid Prime, and love MGS, but I don't bash Halo 2 for any of these reasons in any way what so ever (other than it's relation to Half-Life 2 in being so obviously inferior, but that is a fair comparison of genre). I dislike Halo 2 because of what it is, or rather, what it isn't; a worthy sequel to Halo.

skip said:
and fwiw, I would have fought long and hard to get MGS3 as gmr's goty over halo 2, had we been given the chance.
You are a good man.

Meier said:
Halo 2 is so ridiculously overrated. Almost all the veteran Halo players I know have quit it too boot. MGS3 is definitely a better choice.
Yes.

satterfield said:
And it's not surprising that people here constantly bag on Halo 2 and try to make it seem like it was such a disappointment, when it's absolutely not.
No, it absolutely is. :p
 
Andy787 said:
PSM did. IGN gave it to Half-Life 2. GameSpot gave it to World of WarCraft. OPM gave it to Burnout 3. Play gave it to Fable.

PSM is PS2-exlusive. IGN allows PC games. Gamespot allows PC games. OPM is PS2-exclusive. Play (and Dave Halverson) are full of shit. I mean, didn't Gamefan give Skullmonkeys game of the year once?

Either way, among multi-console publications, Halo 2 has earned the most GOTY honors. Fact.
 
HEH,Lots of love in this discussion.

Oh and just to chime in,Halo 2 is a damn fine piece of single player software. When youre done with that part of the game then why not get your elitist asses on Xbox Live so I can bring you off your high horses. Anything is better than sitting around and bitching about why the media chose it as GOTY.

Grumpy old farts.:b
 
Halo 2 was rushed. The numerous bugs and piss poor multiplayer issues is just unforgiving.

Melee attacks? Let's make them useless!
Energy Sword? Infinite ammo in multiplayer, limited in campaign! Solid!
Good multiplayer maps? Eh. Zanzibar is more than enough!
Plasma shot stun? Why'd we ever give it that function?

I'm sorry, but I had a lot of fun with Halo multiplayer, even with its flaws. But for Halo 2 to come out and address some issues, and then make some other things worse, it's just ridiculous.
 
Yet another GOTY award for Halo 2 (well deserved). Look at GAFFERS cry.

I love it.

GOTY 2004 no doubt, nice one Bunge and MS
 
CrimsonSkies said:
I wouldn't call Satterfield immature. I believe the coin should be flipped on several in this thread.

Err anyone who randomly out of nowhere claims that a person who disagrees with them goes around acting like they're "leet" because they post on a message board or that if they know someone who agrees with them about a point, only does so because they've been inundated with that person's beliefs is pretty damn immature. And then this guy has the gall to talk about personal attacks.. lol, what a joke.

And MoxManiac, when going back to the original -- one of the most fun modes my friends and I play is to play Wizard (but you cant go up any ramps, have to remain on the ground), go all shotties, melee only.. so much fun. :D
 
Pimpbaa said:
You still have to take it into consideration. But not considering future mods, I still fail to see how Halo 2 is a better value. You yourself said the single player was better in HL2, plus it comes with counter strike source (the most popular online fps mod), which can be played online without paying any additional fees (xbox live).

I absolutely disagree. Rate the game you played, not what you think you might play sometime down the road. Halo 2 will have downloadable content, but I didn't see anyone reviewing it......

Halo 2 is not overrated. Halo is not overrated. They are that good.
 
satterfield said:
I disagree. If you look around you'll see that Halo 2 really is the concensus pick. Even if it isn't chosen by any given publication, which is pretty rare, it's almost always mentioned as the second pick and one that was just edged out by another game. You can't say that about any other game from last year. And it's not surprising that people here constantly bag on Halo 2 and try to make it seem like it was such a disappointment, when it's absolutely not. I would guess I've logged over 100 hours on Xbox Live in addition to playing through the single-player campaign on two difficulty settings, playing co-op, and split-screen DM. Nothing else even comes close to the enjoyment I've received from that game. And yes, Halo 2 is darn lucky that RE4 was released two weeks too late.

GA is just about the only place that chose MGS3 as game of the year. Personally, I wouldn't even place it in the top five or six of last year. Lots of MGS fanboys in this here message board who refuse to see all the flaws in that game. I don't know how anyone could say that the healing and eating systems were anything but highly annoying after the second time you used them. But hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion, I guess.
fucking brilliant post! and I totally agree!

I would also add this... there are some genuine Halo 2 haters that are former Halo fans. but I tend to think that there is a logical reason for this. when someone plays a game, if he or she is successful in that game, they tend to like the game more. on the other hand, if you start losing a lot more than your accustomed to, the logical thought is that this new version of the game somehow "sucks". gamers always like to blame the game for their shortcomings.

but the reality of it is, they basically got introduced to a lot of amazing players in Halo 2 that they never had to face in Halo. instead of just 10 of their friends on a LAN... where they are accustomed to kicking ass, they are facing hundreds of thousands. the thing about Halo 2 that is so brutal to all great players is, the game recognizes their greatness and in an attempt to create a fair field, places these talented players among people of their skill level.

what this causes is, lots of getting killed and losing that the player is not used to having to deal with. they therefore hate the game and surmise the game is obviously inferior to the first game that they dominated in so much. I have seen this phenomena so many times, especially with friends. when they can't win in a game, no matter how awesome the game, they simply blame the game and refuse to admit it's greatness. hell, I've seen gamers flat out stop playing a game at all.

many Halo 2 hater I promise you fit ^^^ this bill. add to that all the fanboys of other systems who just simply hate everything xbox, and especially it's marquee game, and you got your big list of Halo 2 haters. but there is absolutely no fucking doubt, Halo 2 kicks the shit out of Halo and in my opinion, is one of the greatest games ever, and definately the best of 2004. the list of improvement of Halo 2 over Halo go on forever. but all the haters can come up with is "the ending sucks" which is honestly the most laughable fucking bullshit lame reason i have ever heard. thousands of hours of greatness and only 10 seconds of something they don't like supposedly ruins all the fun they had.

i also agree with you... RE4 would have been right there had it came out in time and gave Halo 2 a run for it's money. although Halo 2 would win IMO because of the legs it has (ie: multiplayer, co-op, etc)
 
satterfield said:
So you think it's all right to spend 10 minutes navigating menus after each battle just to heal yourself? You think it's all right that the game hasn't been overhauled since the PlayStation era and its camera system and controls are dinosaurs? If you're the type of player that likes cinematic games with a decent story and graphics and can disregard a lot of other issues because of it, that's fine. But to claim that a game that has that many flaws and has been left so far in the dust in so many areas should be game of the year is a big stretch.

People can say that opinions are opinions and that you shouldn't take anyone's opinion on a game as fact. But the truth is, there are certain aspects of games that are either right or wrong. Either the controls work well or they don't. Either the camera gives you a good view of the action or it doesn't. A game is either well-paced or it's not. There's no grey area there. Most complaints with Halo 2 fall into a grey area where people with certain preconceived notions allow them to alter their opinion. A lot of Halo 2 haters are PC gamers who hate to see the holy grail of PC games, Half-Life 2, get second place. A lot of Halo 2 haters are Nintendo fanboys who are disappointed that Prime 2 dropped the ball. A lot of Halo 2 haters are MGS fanboys.

When I first got into television I would say, "Oh that show is awful. How does it get good ratings?" Well, the truth is, it's the audience who decides what's good or bad. End of story. You may think something's great, but ultimately the people who invest the money or time into something are the ones who decide if it's a success or not. It's the same deal with video games. There's a reason Halo 2 outsold GTA: SA on a console with not even 1/4 of the user base. It's because the people who mattter (the people who are spending the money and time) think it's a better game. And let's not even bother comparing Halo 2 with Snake Eater.


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Meier said:
Err, you're missing the point -- Halo fans bought it initially and created or renewed their live accounts to play it but many have been vastly disappointed by it in the long run due to changes to hit detection, among other things.
this could be the dumbest thing i've read in this thread (maybe other than the gay big barf icon above this post - which is dumb). where the heck did you get this information from? oh that's right... your ass. :lol
 
shpankey said:
where the heck did you get this information from? oh that's right... your ass. :lol

Well, the same could be said about the theories in this thread about why people are disappointed with Halo 2. Apparently, I got my ass kicked on Xbox Live and I'm an MGS3/Metroid Prime 2/Half-life 2 fanboy as well! There's nothing wrong with Halo 2...some people just have the wrong opinion, right?! ;)
 
ya, good point. i should have worded my post more carefully; i can see how you would take it that way. but for the record, i didn't mean everyone fit that. my apologies.
 
"this could be the dumbest thing i've read in this thread "

Meier has pretty much crossed the thin red line of stupidity in this thread. He attacks the guy and when I point it out he justifies it by some ridiculous tripe. Pretty typical ;).

"There's nothing wrong with Halo 2...some people just have the wrong opinion, right?! ;)"

Nothing wrong with an opinion. I could see how anyone could disagree with the selection of Halo 2 as an award winner. But for the folks that hate the game. They just don't have that perspective of being able to see it winning awards. If you can't see that. Well why even have a discussion.
 
I think the HALO 2 bashing is a real fear that the game industry has finally created their version of the "Titanic".
Welome to the mainstream.
Maybe we will have a "Sideways" this year and things will mellow out - doubt it!

If RE4 gets GOTY this year maybe people will mellow out? It seems though that if RE4 is slow in sales it could be forgotten by December. Go RE4!
 
CrimsonSkies said:
He attacks the guy and when I point it out he justifies it by some ridiculous tripe. Pretty typical ;).

Since when has calling someone's actions immature (who is acting extremely immature and instigating any sort of malcontent) been construed as a personal attack? :lol It's nice to see though that the Halo 2 fans of this community are so willing to stick up for one another.
 
It makes me wonder what criteria equals game of the year for EGM, if any. It's disappointing that San Andreas took the PS2 award--one of the most overrated games of the year as far as i'm concerned. For as much fun I had with it, there was equally annoying parts-- horrible movement, useless AI, sloppiness around every corner, pointless filler missions. I definitely wouldn't call it a well-done game-- but are places like EGM still judging on just fun, or have games grown to a point where we need to look at all the aspects to decide if a game is good?
 
It seems lately that content outweighs polish in the mainstream mags - Halo 2 and GTA:SA have content in spades, even though there are a lot of little bugs and balance issues that are pretty apparent if you play the game to any length. Shorter games tend to fare a lot worse, lately (say, Outrun 2)
 
teruterubozu said:
I think the HALO 2 bashing is a real fear that the game industry has finally created their version of the "Titanic".
Welome to the mainstream.
Maybe we will have a "Sideways" this year and things will mellow out - doubt it!

If RE4 gets GOTY this year maybe people will mellow out? It seems though that if RE4 is slow in sales it could be forgotten by December. Go RE4!

Pffffft. I wish mainstream movies were as good as the "mainstream" games like Halo 2, and I'm not even an enormous Halo 2 fan (my GOTY is GTA: SA). imo that's a ridiculous comparison.
 
djtiesto said:
It seems lately that content outweighs polish in the mainstream mags - Halo 2 and GTA:SA have content in spades, even though there are a lot of little bugs and balance issues that are pretty apparent if you play the game to any length. Shorter games tend to fare a lot worse, lately (say, Outrun 2)
As much as I liked Outrun 2, I'd hardly call it a polished games. Lots of slowdowns especially. Slowdowns are not acceptable in any arcade racing game, it's not like the developper in not almost 100% in control of what's being displayed on screen.
Halo 2 is a very polished game on the contrary, lots of the online bugs simply were almost impossible to find with a "limited" testing team. Even with the thousands of MS employees beta testing the game they did not manage to find them. They take much too long to create the patch that's true, but I would never blame any developer for the type of bugs that have been found in Halo 2. Single player Halo 2 was about as bug free as I ever saw, the only stuff I can complain about is the slow texture layering in the cut scenes, and the abrupt LOD in gameplay. I did not really like the ending, but that's not a "polish" problem.
 
djtiesto said:
It seems lately that content outweighs polish in the mainstream mags - Halo 2 and GTA:SA have content in spades, even though there are a lot of little bugs and balance issues that are pretty apparent if you play the game to any length. Shorter games tend to fare a lot worse, lately (say, Outrun 2)

Do you mean length? I think content should outweigh polish when handing out some pseudo-title. A new vision, epic scope or awe inspiring experience should trump a well-oiled soulless game experience. Halo 2 was an epic experience, but I almost feel like the truly memorable part of it was simply being a serious gamer during the time it was released. I know it continues to pain a lot of people that it is well regarded, but for those who's panties aren't tied to a certain console or bias at all times, it was an interesting experience in and out of game. It was a historical moment of hype/mainstream acceptance/and anticipation all crashing in at once for the industry. Luckily it's a pretty decent game besides. No great shakes in celebrating that despite all the pretention to art and Japanophilia that gets such mileage on GAF.

Giving game of the year to Outrun 2 (though it's a fun little game) would be a minimalist sham. Giving it to Fable is celebrating hype gone wrong, hype highlighting what didn't deliver (it's also a good game, but it didn't deliver). Giving it to Metroid Prime 2 would be to highlight the well-oiled machine. But frankly, that would be boring and unworthy of the moment to moment excitement and ethereal nature that's part and parcel with gaming.

I wish GTA:SA could have garnered some more support and serious attention among more public forums - silly to think about, the game will continue to sell millions and we all talked about it. It's another example of "content over polish" in your take, and it's hard to argue that. There's rough little facets that both annoy and allow incredible freedoms and gameplay. That said, it's also, IMHO, the closest thing the gaming industry can deliver to "art" in that fledgling debate. No other title gives full-bore satire such a populist engine to ride on...there's so many levels to enjoy and explore, whether you're a deep thinkin' analyst or simply interested in killing the coppers. The fluidity of that movement is almost part of the game and the enigma of the series. It's a pop-icon...hated, loved and misunderstood and fully capable of being the target of all those lenses. What a brilliant, maybe evil maybe genius creation. I think next time there's a thread about "what games are art?" and everyone lists Ico and Katamari (once again, fine games) with little post ups of concept art and discourses about their zen nature...I'll remember that "hardcore" gamers aren't changing the landscape any more than the rest of the crowd. Or rather, just as much.

Um, anyhow, booo, why didn't GTA:SA win game of the year? I killed a bunch of hookers!
 
I just see these guys like Meier and Andy calling the game crap and a step back and all that...how bout giving some actual reasons why instead of just spouting out bullshit?
 
Err, I never once said the game was crap. I said it was overrated -- I think Halo 2 is a lot of fun in multiplayer although the single player is nothing special.
 
It's not the Xbox game of the year let alone the overall one. Burnout 3, KotOR 2, Ninja Gaiden and especially Riddick are all better. Not to mention Madden for me.
 
Meier said:
It's not the Xbox game of the year let alone the overall one. Burnout 3, KotOR 2, Ninja Gaiden and especially Riddick are all better. Not to mention Madden for me.

What, in your opinion, are some of Halo 2's short-comings?
 
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