TrainedRage
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What Got you into the hobby? Do you have any stories?
Nice thread. I’ve had my eye on an Electribe 2 for a year but nervous about pulling the trigger - I have no musical background other than Dance Ejay in the 90s/00s and beginner guitar.
I have the digital electribe on iPad. Really fun to mess around with. Gorillaz really got me interested in those things.
I started getting into electronic music production at the beginning of this year, and I just use MIDI draw in Ableton Live. I have an issue with my hands/wrists where I lose feeling/strength (and get wrist pain) if I tax them too much, so I can't play a keyboard.
I know there are some synths like the KORG VOLCA Keys that have touch-based keys, which I can probably handle. So maybe I'll get something like that down the line. If anyone knows of any other good touch-based keyboards/synths, please share. Especially a MIDI keyboard.
I just upgraded my Arturia Collection to 6.
It is overwhelming.
Notables are the Buchla, the new Jupiter 8 and the Fairlight CMI which sounds almost like a Melotron.
At this point, songs write themselves with these instruments.
There are quite a few different options available to bridge somewhere in the middle between midi drawing in a DAW and playing full keyboard/piano with less strain on your carpal tunnels. I'm a gear whore so I've tried a bunch of stuff. Let's see if we can sort you out.
One keyboard I've found to be low strain, cheap, and versatile is the Korg Nanokey 2:
It's $50. The keys are a little squishy and velocity sensitive. You can use a gentle touch and still get an expressive piano-like output. Sees a lot of pro use, too. For example, Lena Raine used it for composing the Celeste soundtrack.
Im looking to buy a pad. Any advice?
Just the XoneDX, are Launch Pads still popular? Yeah those videos were just for fun. I was going to use it for drum loops and sample using etc.What are you looking to accomplish specifically? Those demos are awesome of course, but the Collidoscope isn't for sale, and the Reactable Live S6 appears to have a MSRP of 6700 Euros.
The Roli Seaboard is the least flash out of those but the only semi-practical purchase. I've done some research on it previously. The Rise 49 is cool but way expensive, and the only Block I'd consider is the Seaboard Block, which is only a 24 key and comes with limited software bundled. Most hands-on impressions of the Blocks system seem to have issues with quality control, the rigid ecosystem you're thrust into, and the uselessness of the Lightpad compared to just using your phone or iPad as a touch surface on the app equivalent.
What do you have in terms of midi controllers so far TrainedRage ?
Just the XoneDX, are Launch Pads still popular? Yeah those videos were just for fun. I was going to use it for drum loops and sample using etc.
Got it. Yeah, launchpads are still popular. Your gear is very live and DAW-less oriented though. There are a lot of good options for direct integration with DAWs, but if you're not looking in that route, have you considered the Novation Circuit?
They've updated the firmware and software a bunch of times since release. It started out as a straightforward groovebox, but it's become very flexible, with the ability to upload your own samples to it and modify the two synth engines to your liking. Great thing is that it's battery powered and standalone, but works well connected to other gear for live jamming too. In its current form it's a powerful sequencer, drum machine/sampler, synth, and pad midi controller. Might be up your alley.
Here's a vid showing off the Circuit and Circuit Mono Station in a live set:
I have over 50 hardware synths. Its hard to even count them at this point. Place looks like JunkieXL's house now.
So I recently started looking into buying a decent entry level synth. I had a few keyboards/digital pianos as a teenager (I'm 34) and learned how to play some songs/read basic music. But I never pursued it past like age 17 (I'm 34 now).
What would be a good one to get? I want something pretty small that I can stow away in the closet when I'm not using it (I live in a small apartment). I was initially thinking the microKorg but after watching videos, it seems poorly built (the keys make a plastic clacking when you press them) and generic. I'm planning to go to a music shop near me to physically look at them this week.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
So I recently started looking into buying a decent entry level synth. I had a few keyboards/digital pianos as a teenager (I'm 34) and learned how to play some songs/read basic music. But I never pursued it past like age 17 (I'm 34 now).
What would be a good one to get? I want something pretty small that I can stow away in the closet when I'm not using it (I live in a small apartment). I was initially thinking the microKorg but after watching videos, it seems poorly built (the keys make a plastic clacking when you press them) and generic. I'm planning to go to a music shop near me to physically look at them this week.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Can you specify a bit more about the use case and budget you're targeting?
When I dived into the scene last year I started with a keyboard midi controller (Arturia Minilab Mkii) connected to my laptop/ipad until I had a better idea of what I was looking for. The software bundle it comes with replicates a bunch of classic synth hardware and maps nicely to the controller's knobs and whatnot.
The Akai MPK Mini is worth looking at. It's cheap, comes with some decent software and works with all the major daws.
I think I found what im looking for.....
The AKAI MPK mini
Paging EviLore or any others with thoughts on the MPK?
Edit: looks like Winter John is a fan
TrainedRage , yeah, that's a really popular option. There are several comparable all-in-one portable 25 key controllers for about a hundred bucks: Arturia Minilab, Akai MPK Mini, Novation Launchkey Mini 25. Of those three the keybed and overall build quality on the Arturia and Novation felt better than the Akai.
The bundled software on each of them is a big consideration. This is the Akai's bundled software. Lot of complaints about it being a pain to use. Arturia's software bundle has the Analog Lab Lite software, which models a bunch of different vintage synthesizers (upgradeable for $30 or $40 to Analog Lab 3, which takes you from 500 to 6000 customizable presets for those synths), Ableton Live Lite (gets you a discount on any full version of Ableton but is usable on its own), and a solid UVI Grand Piano plugin.
Novation's bundle is good too (Ableton Live Lite, some Novation stuff, some samples, and a choice of one of four instrument plugins).
NAMM 2019 is right about to hit though and these are all due for a product refresh, so you'll probably want to hold off for a little while and get the new models. Looks like the Minilab has been pulled from Amazon already so it's probably being replaced with a mk3, likely the competitors as well.
Ultimately they'll all get you where you're going if you put the time in of course.
It's fine for anyone looking to mess around and have some fun. I think it's always better to start off cheap and then upgrade when getting into a new hobby. The keys on the MPK are quite small so if that's a concern I'd recommend the Alesis V25/49. Apart from that it's fine. I haven't tried the free software because I use FL Studio and Ableton, but I've had no problems with either of them.
I have not heard of it until now. Looks very clean. Could be very good for game/sound design. I like how the media tab shows the physical fx controllers. The 'Time Align' feature seems cool if you are into vocals. I feel like with a DAW you just click with one then use it. One thing I wish I could change is how lazy I get when coming to picking up a new DAW. All you need to do is take the time to learn it, after that the features can change your mind. Depends on price too. Paying +300$ for a DAW you end up never using is a bitch.Anyone here heard of Cubase? I used it long before I started using more OSX-friendly DAWs.
edit: I hear it's popular in the EU, however I haven't been nor do I know people who have used it besides myself here.
I have not heard of it until now. Looks very clean. Could be very good for game/sound design. I like how the media tab shows the physical fx controllers. The 'Time Align' feature seems cool if you are into vocals. I feel like with a DAW you just click with one then use it. One thing I wish I could change is how lazy I get when coming to picking up a new DAW. All you need to do is take the time to learn it, after that the features can change your mind. Depends on price too. Paying +300$ for a DAW you end up never using is a bitch.
Anyone here heard of Cubase? I used it long before I started using more OSX-friendly DAWs.
edit: I hear it's popular in the EU, however I haven't been nor do I know people who have used it besides myself here.
Before I possibly get into playing the keyboard instead of MIDI draw (thanks again Evilore for recommending the Nanokey), the first kind of hardware I want to look into purchasing would be devices for triggering loops and adjusting effects/faders.
My current workflow involves drawing the loops in Ableton, then doing a "live performance" in the session view, then overdubbing more live effect/filter changes in the arrangement view, and then fine-tuning in the arrangement view. I'm doing all of this with my computer mouse, so now that I'm incorporating more live elements it's hard to manage multiple parameters at once on the fly. I'm having a lot of fun "performing" this way though, so I'm starting to look into how to get more control during the "performance" phase.
The Push 2 seems to be the best hardware that does everything I need, but obviously it's an expensive $800 and I don't need all of its features yet as a newbie. The usual lower-priced option seems to be a combination of the Novation Launchpad and the Novation Launch Control XL, which would total at $310.
Does that sound about right? If so, then I'll probably go ahead with the two Novation devices, unless someone knows of a better alternative.
For midi controllers that don't have bundled software worth the money to you, always go used I think, since they depreciate and don't have much to worry about compared to analog gear. May still be out of your price range, but the Push 2 used is $650 or less. The Novation stuff you're looking at will work too, though, yeah.
Yeah, it might make sense to just go with the Push 2 long-term, especially since I plan on sticking to Ableton. Another positive would be that I could simply learn to play chords and melodies on the Push 2 instead of learning the keyboard.
And I say that because the Push 2 seems to allow for some pretty fine velocity sensitivity control (thus being easier on my fucked up hands). But do you know if it's possible to make the pads require little velocity, while still allowing for a decent range of expression?
I haven’t done anything since college but from the looks of it fruity loops kinda looks like Cubase. Do they pretty much work the same? I’ve been itching to get back into music.