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[bitbydeath]

Em's still got it, sounds like a return to form in some ways.

 

[Richard Packer]

He needs to fuck off. His music aged like milk and all his new stuff is garbage.

 

[Syphon Filter]

that is not really a new single, its from that stans documentary.

 

[bitbydeath]

He needs to fuck off. His music aged like milk and all his new stuff is garbage.

Try this one, feels more like his classic songs.

 

[bitbydeath]

that is not really a new single, its from that stans documentary.

Yeah, it's two days old but I only just discovered it

 

[Syphon Filter]

He needs to fuck off. His music aged like milk and all his new stuff is garbage.

his old music is awesome still, i listen to it often. his new album is great as well from last year, i was surprised at how good it was actually since i wasnt happy with the previous album before last years.

 

[ShirAhava]

This song was recorded in 2002

 

[AJUMP23]

He is wrong. Nobody is looking.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Yeah, it's two days old but I only just discovered it

A version of it already existed back in 2002, you can hear it at the start of this song track:

 

[Plies]

He needs to fuck off. His music aged like milk and all his new stuff is garbage.

This 2025 song from Eminem is good;

 

[Wilhelm_85]

Dude is 52 years old and rich... Just embarrassing to be still in the "rap game" if you ask me.

 

[bitbydeath]

A version of it already existed back in 2002, you can hear it at the start of this song track:

That explains why it sounds like his older stuff.
Looks like he's added a lot more lyrics since and updated the music.

 

[Days like these...]

Nobody is looking at him.

 

[Kacho]

This song was recorded in 2002

Oh that explains why it's listenable

 

[bitbydeath]

Dude is 52 years old and rich... Just embarrassing to be still in the "rap game" if you ask me.

Maybe he's waiting on someone worthy enough to pass the mantle too.

 

[Richard Packer]

his old music is awesome still, i listen to it often. his new album is great as well from last year, i was surprised at how good it was actually since i wasnt happy with the previous album before last years.

Hard disagree. Infinite and Slim Shady kinda hold up, but aside from a few tracks from Marshall and Eminem Show most is mid to trash. I feel like as you age, his music loses the shock appel and the substance that's left isn't enough. His peers from his era have way more timeless and meaningful hits. The radio can have lose yourself, I'll take DMX all day.

 

[ReBurn]

Probably because he's funny looking

 

[Unknown?]

Hard disagree. Infinite and Slim Shady kinda hold up, but aside from a few tracks from Marshall and Eminem Show most is mid to trash. I feel like as you age, his music loses the shock appel and the substance that's left isn't enough. His peers from his era have way more timeless and meaningful hits. The radio can have lose yourself, I'll take DMX all day.

I like his stuff.


Oops, wrong song.

 

[Soltype]

Hard disagree. Infinite and Slim Shady kinda hold up, but aside from a few tracks from Marshall and Eminem Show most is mid to trash. I feel like as you age, his music loses the shock appel and the substance that's left isn't enough. His peers from his era have way more timeless and meaningful hits. The radio can have lose yourself, I'll take DMX all day.

I didn't know anybody back in the day that put X in the same wheelhouse as Em.They're styles were night and day especially in '99.My biggest problem with Eminem was his production, he had some solid stuff but a lot of it never clicked with me.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Dude is 52 years old and rich... Just embarrassing to be still in the "rap game" if you ask me.

why would it be embarrassing to still be making music? there is no age limit to music.

 

[March Climber]

Dude is 52 years old and rich... Just embarrassing to be still in the "rap game" if you ask me.

It is odd that everyone puts an age limit on the rap/hip hop genre specifically.

 

[Rush2112]

Trash

 

[Wilhelm_85]

It is odd that everyone puts an age limit on the rap/hip hop genre specifically.

I'd do the same for stuff like punk or boy band/idol stuff.

 

[March Climber]

I'd do the same for stuff like punk or boy band/idol stuff.

The difference is that both of the above require a level of stamina and physicality, for obvious reasons, unless the boy band/idols manage to successfully transition out of doing dances to just singing together (which is rare).

Rap/Hiphop on the other hand requires being good at spoken word, poetry, rhyming, and lyricism, which would be like sharpening a sword over the years. The older talents who aren't trying to trend chase or fit in are doing a good job at doing so.

Example(from a month ago):



Lupe is 43.

Edit: I think a giant issue Eminem faces, which he went over on his last big album, is that his fanbase won't really allow him to grow up. They want him to be a 50-year old edgelord because it 'brings them back to the good old days'.

When he tries something else the streams don't come in as much. I think the smartest thing he could do at this time is take a long time to make an album full of songs that sound like this:



Introspective, powerful, and mature. He could do it. He would need the right producer for it, which means letting go of Dr. Dre and trying out some more different talent. Maybe Alchemist or Pharrell (I think he's ready after that recent Clipse album).

 

[Soodanim]

A version of it already existed back in 2002, you can hear it at the start of this song track:

I wondered if we would ever hear that. I always find unreleased stuff interesting and kept an eye on mixtapes etc just in case.

I could never make any of it out at the time, but it's clear as day having heard the full track.

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

Hey why does he go "do not miss your chance to blow" in that one song. Was he talking about sucking dick or something?

 

[KyoZz]

People talking shit about Eminem when just 2 years ago he dropped this masterpiece:




I'm sure those who said "he's 52", "he's not relevant anymore" or "he was never good" are in love with stupid shit like Nicky Minaj, MGK or any countless clone from todays landscape. Give me a break.

 

[Nocty]

crazy anyone likes this genre of music to me. It's all cringey shit.

 

[Mark Mocherad]

Not my sort of preferences

 

[Ishma3L]

Dude is 52 years old and rich... Just embarrassing to be still in the "rap game" if you ask me.

Pretty embarrassing take, if you ask me.

 

[Connificent]

HRK69

 

[Grildon Tundy]

"Everybody's Looking at Me"

It's just the weed, Em. Chill.

 

[March Climber]

People talking shit about Eminem when just 2 years ago he dropped this masterpiece:




I'm sure those who said "he's 52", "he's not relevant anymore" or "he was never good" are in love with stupid shit like Nicky Minaj, MGK or any countless clone from todays landscape. Give me a break.

That song is okay, but the problem with it (and how people feel about him lately) have to do with his selection of production and his insistence on trying to sound 'hard'.

That's why it comes across bad to quite a few people.

The lyrics to that song are actually interesting, but the type of beat he uses and the way he rhymes it, makes it feel out of date.

 

[Kacho]

People talking shit about Eminem when just 2 years ago he dropped this masterpiece:

Sounds like modern rap slop. It exhausting to listen to. I wonder if Em would get as much hate if the current style was something more palatable.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Eminem is a hypocrite.

He mocks the government and artists a lot; he's very arrogant.

But then he was a bootlicker for supporting Kamala.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

He needs to fuck off. His music aged like milk and all his new stuff is garbage.

The last song, great, was with the DIDO Duo.

After that... just a song with no substance.

 

[AJUMP23]

I saw his new doc. It is essentially everyone loves fame but the famous. Woe is me I don't like people trying to talk to me.

 

[March Climber]

Sounds like modern rap slop. It exhausting to listen to. I wonder if Em would get as much hate if the current style was something more palatable.

It depends on what current style Eminem is listening to. Right now there has been a bit of a resurgence of artsy/lyrical-types thanks to heavy hitters like Kendrick and Tyler the Creator.

Quite a few mumble rappers from the 2010s are becoming the 'those were the good old days' types for late Millenials/early Gen Z.

So they are starting to fall off in popularity or have had to evolve to be more introspective. I would have never, ever guessed even a few years ago that Offset from Migos would ever do an introspective album, but here he is today doing just that:



I'm very curious to see where things go this next decade with rap. A pendulum has been trying to swing back, but it depends on how receptive Gen Z and Gen Alpha will be to it.

 

[Kacho]

It depends on what current style Eminem is listening to. Right now there has been a bit of a resurgence of artsy/lyrical-types thanks to heavy hitters like Kendrick and Tyler the Creator.

Quite a few mumble rappers from the 2010s are becoming the 'those were the good old days' types for late Millenials/early Gen Z.

So they are starting to fall off in popularity or have had to evolve to be more introspective. I would have never, ever guessed even a few years ago that Offset from Migos would ever do an introspective album, but here he is today doing just that:



I'm very curious to see where things go this next decade with rap. A pendulum has been trying to swing back, but it depends on how receptive Gen Z and Gen Alpha will be to it.

I'm admittedly out of the loop so my opinion doesn't mean much. No clue who Offset and Migos are for example.

I lost interest when Soundcloud rappers became a thing in the 2010s. Chance the Rapper's first album was the last thing I listened to before bowing out. I'm very much set in my "nothing beats the 90s" ways.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

late Millenials/early Gen Z.

I think you meant that the other way around.

 

[pnutboy]

Cool pull from Dr. Dre's vault. His feature game is still decent, especially on that new JID track. Album wise, ehhhhh.

 

[March Climber]

I'm admittedly out of the loop so my opinion doesn't mean much. No clue who Offset and Migos are for example.

Migos were one of the main ones spearheading mumble rap movement, which was also mixed in with the soundcloud era that you're describing. They made these songs:

I lost interest when Soundcloud rappers became a thing in the 2010s. Chance the Rapper's first album was the last thing I listened to before bowing out. I'm very much set in my "nothing beats the 90s" ways.

Fair. Most of my friends have done the same. Their literal cut off year is around 2012/2013, like most older millennials. Regardless of whatever and whoever new I introduce to them, they still claim that they can't find good new stuff. Eventually I had to make an actual spotify playlist and I updated it monthly with good stuff for them to check out. It took them a long time to even give Tyler the Creator a chance, and even a few of them were iffy on Childish Gambino.

Overall, I realized over time that the actual problem lies within algorithms. Same with finding good modern movies and good modern video games.

The algorithms put people in a feedback loop of what they like, which means they barely discover anything new. They force you to dig because there's too much out there and almost zero guidance.

I think you meant that the other way around.

No, because mumble rappers/soundcloud rappers reached their heights/popularity point around the mid to late 2010s, and it specifically started around 2015/2016 when this happened:



This moment specifically was the turning point. And a lot of people nostalgic to these types of rappers reference it when they discuss that era of rap, and that's what Gen Z was growing up listening to and (eventually) going to concerts for. Nearly all of the guys in this video became all stars of their era.

Early millennials were already set in what they liked by then thanks to what happened from 2005-2012. I can ask most early and mid millennials what who their favorite artists are and usually they will point to someone from those years, which also established artists such as J-Cole, Kendrick, and Drake who were some of the very few that that audience still listened to.

 

[Trilobit]

Never cared much for rap music and Eminem. But I do like some of NF's songs. He has cool videos too.

 

[Kacho]

Migos were one of the main ones spearheading mumble rap movement, which was also mixed in with the soundcloud era that you're describing. They made these songs:

Literally

they still claim that they can't find good new stuff.

The new stuff just doesn't have the right sound. It sounds depressing and often monotonous. I'm sure there are exceptions, but in general every time I hear something new it sounds the same as everything else, and it doesn't vibe right. Kinda like old Kanye vs new Kanye.

I was listening to Xzibit, Busta, Em, Luda out of high school. Got an apartment and would smoke bongs every night with the boys while playing Gran Turismo 3. Just a different era.

 

[RagnarokIV]

Absolute fucken crap

 

[March Climber]

The new stuff just doesn't have the right sound. It sounds depressing and often monotonous. I'm sure there anre exceptions but in general every time I hear something new it sounds the same as everything else and doesn't vibe right. Kinda like old Kanye vs new Kanye.

I was listening to Xzibit, Busta, Em, Luda out of high school. Got an apartment and would smoke bongs every night with the boys while playing Gran Turismo 3. Just a different era.

The issue is twofold.

One, certain subgenres will spike in popularity during certain eras, causing those to be the main (or only) ones advertised. You're seeing this right now with Soulslikes and building games in video games. Those are the ones getting the acclaim and attention, so it makes a person think that the industry is full of just that. Same issue happening in movies right now where all of the attention is going to cape-adjacent franchises, but if someone went to a movie theater they ignore the 5 other movies on display that will most likely have much better writing and acting. Same happens in music too.

Two, that there's simply too much content, so it makes it impossible to parse through without some sort of algorithm or individuals/curators to make recommendations. And that's where I go back to my issue with algorithms. It's both possible and impossible for everything to sound the same.

For example you brought up Kanye. He has a massive tree of people he inspired and brought to the forefront, same with new Kanye (up until his recent antics at least). However, the branches aren't all being shown. It's impossible for them to all be shown because no algorithm actually does that.

Seriously I went searching and you can find good "boom-bap rap" (which is the term they call 2000s rap today and what you're describing in the second part of your post) and also nerd-core stuff that Kanye inspired in his rise to fame, but it's going to be by new unknown artists or underground artists who aren't in the spotlight. There is also the eclectic stuff, similar to Kendrick, Tyler, or Gambino, but again it puts the onus on the person themselves to search for these things beyond the surface level.

I guess what I'm saying is that what you're looking for is findable, but it takes effort. Since it takes so much effort, no one bothers to look. So they end up just going back to the good old stuff. It also makes a music career even more of a lottery system than it already was before.

I have found so many good modern artists in the past decade... and I'll look around and they have barely found an audience within the thousands, and those thousands will say 'you remind me of _____ when I grew up'. But the discoverability for them is severely lacking.

Sorry for the long post.

 

[Kacho]

One, certain subgenres will spike in popularity during certain eras, causing those to be the main (or only) ones advertised. You're seeing this right now with Soulslikes and building games in video games. Those are the ones getting the acclaim and attention, so it makes a person think that the industry is full of just that. Same issue happening in movies right now where all of the attention is going to cape-adjacent franchises, but if someone went to a movie theater they ignore the 5 other movies on display that will most likely have much better writing and acting. Same happens in music too.

Yes, I think there is truth to this. It goes back to what you were saying about what's next for the genre. I've technically "grown out" of rap as a white boy, but good music is good music. The J.B.s are still legendary. I have no nostalgia for the 1970s but 'Doing it to Death' slaps through time and space. James Brown is timeless. Whatever mumble rapper you list is not.

I guess what I'm saying is that what you're looking for is findable, but it takes effort. Since it takes so much effort, no one bothers to look. So they end up just going back to the good old stuff. It also makes a music career even more of a lottery system than it already was before.

People have been saying this about rock music and while it's technically true on some level, we're currently in a rut artistically and creatively. Subjectivity aside, the proverbial cream rises to the top and that is not happening.

A quick anecdote. 10-15 years ago I was chilling with my mom and sisters at their lake house. It was rainy and gloomy out, just to set the scene. They were playing a card game on the deck and I was drinking while listening to the 'Art of War' album by Bone Thugs. The song 'Ready 4 War' was playing and my mom said "this is really good." Thats genuine praise. She doesn't listen to rap. I guarantee you if I played whatever mumble rapper is popular she'd tell me to turn that shit off. It's trash.