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Enchant Arm Update(HDD caching,DVD9 limitations,Beta vs Alpha kits)
- Thread starter Kleegamefan
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sonycowboy
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xexex said:
I hope ALL DEVELOPERS demand caching so that Sony gives in and makes the HDD standard.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Rhindle said:
Here is the oft-quoted official line from Todd Holmdahl, Corporate Vice President of the Xbox Product Group at Microsoft:
http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1190/Xbox-360-Interview-Todd-Holmdahl/p2/
Seems pretty black and white to me.....
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Yes, we know that, but what would happen if you tried to play Oblivion or Enchant Arm without an HDD inserted.....green screen of death???
it's quite clear, IMO ..Kleegamefan said:
I assume that MS is saying that if you don't have the hard drive plugged in, the game must be able to run ... the game may not have full functionality, but it must be able to run without the HDD, AFAIK
I believe this was done for situations such as the following:
lets say you're not at home and your brother decides to take the HDD to his friends house so your brother can show his friend all the extras your brother has unlocked ...... now say, you come home and want to play, but the HDD is gone.. it's no problem, you can still play (i.e.: you don't have to wait for your brother to bring the HDD back before you can play).......
it's a good idea, IMO, making the HDD not required to play
Wunderchu said:it's a good idea, IMO, making the HDD not required to play
It's not even an "idea". It's a given. If you make the thing detachable you have to think of the conseguences of not having the HDD in there. The opposite (having any game to require the HDD) would have been an "idea". Albeit a bad one.
I can't help but wish that MS wasn't making it mandatory for all games to support the HDTV res by default, I think I'd rather have standard res at 20X xbox power than high res at 10X (especially since I don't have a high def TV).
Maybe devs wil be able to offer a low-res mode that has 60fps instead of 30fps or adds effects and extra geometry or something? I haven't read about any devs planning to do this though even if it's allowed.
Maybe devs wil be able to offer a low-res mode that has 60fps instead of 30fps or adds effects and extra geometry or something? I haven't read about any devs planning to do this though even if it's allowed.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
:lolPG2G said:
The problem is that the more geometry you have, the more you need higher resolutions to see the extra polys...
exactly ... once the the detail gets up to a certain level, higher resolution is needed to see the extra detail (that goes for polys, as well as textures, as well as effects like bump mapping, etc.)Kleegamefan said:
DVD-9 is more than enough for high res. textures (keeping in mind that with 512MB , the textures still can't be THAT high res.)Mrbob said:
.. IMO, the only devs. which may have issues with disc space, are those wishing to put a lot of 1280x720 pre-rendered CG clips on the disc.......
Guy LeDouche
Banned
I wish he'd have expanded on the whole "tough to fit everything on a DVD" statement.
HDD news is fantastic though. C'mon Sony, make it happen. I've been spoiled by HDLoader.
HDD news is fantastic though. C'mon Sony, make it happen. I've been spoiled by HDLoader.
But there wouldn't really be 20X power at standard defnition.
There's a limit to how much geometry that can be done. Just because you're consuming less RAM for a lower resolution doesn't mean you have more processing power for other things.
The only way this would work is if the hardware was specifically designed for low def. Even then, you wouldn't get much of an edge because PS3 and to a lesser extent X360, are using the best damn hardware possible on all fronts.
Wunderchu said:it's quite clear, IMO ..
I assume that MS is saying that if you don't have the hard drive plugged in, the game must be able to run ... the game may not have full functionality, but it must be able to run without the HDD, AFAIK
I believe this was done for situations such as the following:
lets say you're not at home and your brother decides to take the HDD to his friends house so your brother can show his friend all the extras your brother has unlocked ...... now say, you come home and want to play, but the HDD is gone.. it's no problem, you can still play (i.e.: you don't have to wait for your brother to bring the HDD back before you can play).......
it's a good idea, IMO, making the HDD not required to play
Not necessarily... Lazy devs or devs don't want to or don't have time to deal with this extra headache can simply allow the game to run and give you a "please insert HDD" screen.
Guy LeDouche
Banned
hah, I know what you mean. A few weeks ago, I was thinking about how weird it was putting a DVD game into my PS2 for the first time. Now I don't give it a second thought. Slipping that Blu-ray disc in the slot-loading drive for the first time will probably bring a similar feeling...Suikoguy said:
but this thread is about X360, so I'll stop derailing. 2x BR drive or not, HDD caching should be a feature in both X360 and PS3.
Norse
Member
They could save some space by putting the intro movie and the end of game movie on a first dvd and put the game and midgame movies on the 2nd dvd....and dont require dvd 1 to play the game. Should be able to boot 2nd dvd and play game till the end movie dvd is needed.
or just compress the video with one of the newer hdtv codecs...best yet, ship with hd dvd drive. hehe
or just compress the video with one of the newer hdtv codecs...best yet, ship with hd dvd drive. hehe
Oh I'm aware that there are other things to consider, but really the big two concerns for the player would be loading and obviously the inability to save. But since the HD caching to deal with loading is addressed in the interview I'll stick with that.Suikoguy said:
The hell? No that's ok...
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
From is handy for coming out with launch titles.
Any word if we'll see another King's Field, or Shadow Tower?
Any word if we'll see another King's Field, or Shadow Tower?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Mrbob said:
Other info
http://ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=1445031&postcount=31
That was asuming it was using a 6x, I think its more likely to use a 4x
In other news, this entire post is speculation anyway...
Conflicting reports, etc..
Edit:
Ah scew it, then pana said "BD-ROM's transfer-rate is 54 Mbps, the one you quoted is BD-R/BD-RE."
I'm going to bed
Pseudo judo
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The compression technology provided by ATI for the 360 is more then capable of getting the job done and if there's a need for two discs theinconvenience of switching one disc for another will small.Mrbob said:
And what about high definition audio, and high definition video, and all the information needed for more geometry, AI, speech, etc. Just compress it all?
Sure you could do that, but that's a major inconvenience for the developers and it'll handicap the games.
I'm betting major games designed ground up for PS3 will look ugly on X360 because they'll take advantage of the space. Even if they spend the resources to compress all the stuff, it can't look as good as the near lossless data that would be on the PS3 game.
Decompressing massive amounts of data on the fly also consumes much processing power. That's where PS3 has the edge on Xbox360. So if the game is designed ground up for PS3 and takes advantage of all that space and processing power, you're going to have to take an even greater hit on media quality.
Just compare Gamecube games to PS2/Xbox games with lots of media. Ugly.
Sure you could do that, but that's a major inconvenience for the developers and it'll handicap the games.
I'm betting major games designed ground up for PS3 will look ugly on X360 because they'll take advantage of the space. Even if they spend the resources to compress all the stuff, it can't look as good as the near lossless data that would be on the PS3 game.
Decompressing massive amounts of data on the fly also consumes much processing power. That's where PS3 has the edge on Xbox360. So if the game is designed ground up for PS3 and takes advantage of all that space and processing power, you're going to have to take an even greater hit on media quality.
Just compare Gamecube games to PS2/Xbox games with lots of media. Ugly.
CompositeMolar
Member
This game better come out in NA
Pseudo judo
Member
teh_pwn said:
Besides the obvious - using 2 disks, the vast majority of disc space is used by games is texture based data. The compression software developed by ATI - if you read the pdf I linked to- is quite good and as I stated will get the job done.
High definition audio? Audio won't change much, if at all, from this gen to the next one in terms of the space needed for data storage. If there was, it also can be easily compressed. AI is hardly worth mentioning in this regard.
Most games will fit on a single DVD. While I think they shoulda gone with a next-gen drive, it's not likely to make any difference to the console's marketability. All IMO. And yes, BD-ROM reads at 54Mbps. BD-R and BD-RE is 33.6Mbps. So the PS3 needs a 3x drive to match the 360's 12x, or it could go with a 2x drive with 12-16x DVD read speed. DVD read speed is not linked to the BD drive speed. PEACE.
Audio won't change much huh?
http://forum.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?t=57643
Sure most low budget games won't "need" more space.
But we already have games, in this generation running at 480p, using an entire dual layer disc tightly packed. Jade Empire, for example. It has several videos for each character of events.
http://forum.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?t=57643
Sure most low budget games won't "need" more space.
But we already have games, in this generation running at 480p, using an entire dual layer disc tightly packed. Jade Empire, for example. It has several videos for each character of events.
krypt0nian
Banned
teh_pwn said:
Amount that is confirmed for next gen consoles = zero
So they'll just wave a magic wand, compressing everything nice a pack effortlessly, at 3:1 compared to PS3 and magically not take a hit on CPU utilization. Keep dreaming.
You're also assuming that the PS3 games are not taking advantage of any compression.
You're also assuming that the PS3 games are not taking advantage of any compression.
krypt0nian
Banned
teh_pwn said:
Who cares what compression PS3 uses...if it fits it fits...they are not going to magically create extra content because the space is there. Its called a dev budget.
How about you start a new thread with your incredibly thought out opinions and see how you do? This is a Enchant Arm thread.
:lol
Yes, because compressing is effortless.
You're totally nuts if you think that we aren't going to see a major increase in media size.
It matters what PS3 is using because if PS3 is using the same compression and fills up the BR disc, then there's no way the X360 game would ever fit on a single DVD.
Chiggs
Gold Member
teh_pwn said:
I, too, think this is a huge problem. So huge, in fact, that I don't think anyone will develop for the Xbox 360. Also, did you hear that some unnamed developers don't like XNA? This is definitely a bad thing, because developers rarely ever complain about anything.
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GhaleonEB said:
:lol this sounds familiar.
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