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Entertainment Weekly's 25 Best Rap Albums

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dtrip

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What's the greatest hip-hop album?
EW picks 'Paid in Full' by Eric B. and Rakim


NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Picking the greatest ever hip-hop album is a tall order, and Entertainment Weekly admits its list marking 25 years since the birth of mainstream rap is subjective, with Eric B & Rakim at No. 1.

"Eric B. & Rakim's 'Paid in Full' made hip-hop a true art form, doing for rap what Bob Dylan did for rock in the mid-'60s," the magazine said of the 1987 album, which it praised for its technical intricacy and poetic metaphors.

Some of today's big names such as Outkast and Jay-Z may be disappointed to fall short of the top 10, though the former makes it to No. 11 with "Aquemini" and Jay-Z's "The Blueprint" is listed at 15. Eminem is ranked at No. 17 for "The Marshall Mathers LP."

"It's not a record sales list," said Neil Drumming, one of the writers at Entertainment Weekly who picked the top 25.

"Most of the people you find on the list or not on the list, rappers in general, are going to reference Eric B. & Rakim as a seminal rap group," he said.

In second place the magazine picked the 1989 album "3 Feet High and Rising" by De La Soul, followed by "Ready to Die" by Notorious B.I.G. from 1994. Public Enemy and Run-D.M.C. make up the rest of the top five.

"It's an endless source of debate even after it's published," Drumming said.

The publication of the list Friday marks the 25th anniversary of hip-hop as a mainstream phenomenon, which the magazine dates from 1979 when the Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" landed on the R&B charts, making it hip-hop's first hit single.

"A lot of people didn't believe it would last, what people are acknowledging now is that it's not a fad," Drumming said.

The List:

1. Eric B & Rakim - Paid in Full
2. De La Soul - 3 Feet high and Rising
3. The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die
4. Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
5. Run D.M.C. - Raising Hell
6. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
7. Wu Tang Clan - Enter the Wu Tang (36 Chambers)
8. Nas - Illmatic
9. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
10. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
11. Outkast - Aquemini
12. Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
13. Gang Starr - Daily Operation
14. Ice Cube - Death Certificate
15. Jay-Z - The Blueprint
16. LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out
17. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers Album
18. Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
19. The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II: The Pharcyde
20. Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
21. Boogie Down Productions - By All Means Necessary
22. Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - The Message
23. Missy Elliott - Miss E. So Addictive
24. Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
25. Aceyalone - A Book of Human Language
 

Substance

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Paul's Boutique > Paid in Full

That's my contribution to this thread. All in all, some fine pieces of work listed there such as Dr. Octagonacolygist and Bizarre Ride, Low End and Three Feet High but I don't really care for the rest of the 90's rap albums on the list.
 
They did a much better job than nearly every other mainstream mag I've seen, but they still knew to fuck it up just enough.

My problems with the list:

They knew to put Nas' best work, but put the Blueprint on there for Jay-Z.
They have Death Certificate instead of Amerikkka's Most Wanted.
They have Fear of a Black Planets instead of It Takes a Nation of Millions...
They have an Eminem album on the list. If you can't think of 25 albums better than the Slim Shady LP, you need to listen to more hip-hop.
Same goes for Missy Elliot.

The rankings themselves I'm not going to break down, though I don't think they are correctly done. There's 5 to six albums on there that could be replaced.

I personally like Aquemini the most out of Kast's albums, but if I saw outrage over ATLiens or SPCM being left out, I'd understand. I think they didn't want to over-represent similar sounds, and by that I mean to say "Where the hell is Doggystyle/some form of NWA?" It seems to me that they give Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 too much props for what is no doubt an influential album, but nothing that great in the grand scheme of things.

Overall, not too bad, and easily the closest I've seen to a true representation of what a top 25 should be.
 

XS+

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A great list (Aceyelone! Pharcyde!) damned and ruined by a Missy Elliot mention.

And Reasonable Doubt > Blueprint
 
Deltron 3030 > Dr. Octagon
I love both, but Deltron was simply beautiful.

Black Star > Reflection Eternal > Black on Both Sides
Mos needs to decide if he's a crappy rock artist or a damn good rapper.

Lack of Ghetto Pop Life left me kinda miffed as well.
 

Triumph

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Haha. No 2pac albums.

Honestly, as much as I think he's horribly overrated, he's still better than LL Cool J. And wtf @ Lauryn Hill's album being on there? That's not a rap or hip hop album. It's mostly r&b. I mean it's good but it's not a rap album.

Further WTF: no NWA? The group that spawned Dre, Cube, and Eazy? Bitch please. That list is a bit fucked up.

At least they put Gang Starr, Pharcyde, and Aceyalone on there, tho.
 

Renegade

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I stopped reading when they mentioned Beastie Boys. They're not Rap IMO. They're Pop-Rock. And their music sucks.

Eminem and Boogie Down Productions shouldn't be there IMO. And that list also has a lot of what I'd classify as "elevator music", but that's for another argument. Also, Blueprint was cool, but by FAAAAAR ot Jay's best work. No Reasonable Doubt mention? BALLS!

Never was a big fan of Cypress Hill. They get monotonous, and they're verge rock.

And this list surprisingly is missing Tupac. For that I am glad. Every commercial list of best rap CDs always has Tupac at number one whereas most rap fans didn't see his CDs as THAT great. He had classics, and a message. Tupac fans felt he was unbelievable and the best, but not all rap fans.


All IMO.
 
Missy Eliot is among the worst "artists" of this era IMO. Horrible choice. No EPMD? Tupac? "Miss E. So Addictive" is better than fucking "Doggystyle" or "The Great Adventures of Slick Rick"?? Come the fuck on..

I did like the way Blueprint took things back to that old school soul feel, but it's not even Jay's best album ('Reasonable Doubt' anyone?)..you can at least make an arguement for "Death Certificate" vs "Amerikkka's".

Odd that "Black on Both Sides" made the list..I've been listening to that album a lot lately. I agree that "Black Star" is more deserving as an album, but BoBS has higher highs than BS IMO. If you cut a few of the marginal tracks like "Got", "Habitat", and "New World Water" you have an album easily deserving of the list. Haven't heard Mos' new album yet.
 

karasu

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How can people actually say that people like LL and BDP don't belong? That's insane.

As far as Missy, she aint the greatest but she is one of the few mainstream female artists who write their own Lyrics and what not.
 

Renegade

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BTW, I'd like to do the odd thing and support the Missy album. I don't think it should be up there (Hell, I don't even say it's better than CDs by other female artists Lil Kim, Foxy Brown, Queen Pen or Lauryn) but it is a very prominent album. It's great. It should be listed in the top 50 at least.
 

Jim Bowie

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Holy shit, guys, Doc Oc gets fucking respect! That's frequent playlist material right there!

I was disappointed by the lack of Deltron, Mr. Lif, Sage Francis, and Dizzee Rascal. All are better than 'Momma Said Knock You Out' or anything by Miss Elliot.

And ATCQ... Midnight Marauders > Low End Theory
 

miyuru

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23. Missy Elliott - Miss E. So Addictive

Uh...I hated that album.

Some good picks, surprised they didn't list 2pac at all, I mean you have to, even if you don't like him! :p
 

XS+

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Ned Flanders said:
Odd that "Black on Both Sides" made the list..I've been listening to that album a lot lately. I agree that "Black Star" is more deserving as an album, but BoBS has higher highs than BS IMO. If you cut a few of the marginal tracks like "Got", "Habitat", and "New World Water" you have an album easily deserving of the list. Haven't heard Mos' new album yet.
I'd keep 'Got' (nothing proound about it but it's a fun filler song). BoBS easily one of my favorite hiphop albums of the last 5 years (too bad the CD's sound quality is kind of low).
Jim Bowie said:
And ATCQ... Midnight Marauders > Low End Theory
That's a REAL close call, but I like MM better too. LET has better beats imo but 100% of MM is enjoyable to listen to.
 
Vagabond said:
I stopped reading when they mentioned Beastie Boys. They're not Rap IMO. They're Pop-Rock. And their music sucks.

So basically you've never heard Paul's Boutique. Because despite what you classify them as currently, Paul's Boutique isn't just hip-hop, it's a perfect example of hip-hop, and a blueprint for the production skills that create the foundation of a hip-hop album.

Jim Bowie said:
I was disappointed by the lack of Deltron, Mr. Lif, Sage Francis, and Dizzee Rascal.

Why? I'm not trying to come off as an elitist asshole, but none of those should sniff the Top 25, especially Dizzee Rascal.

Deltron 3030 is a great, great album, but I think it pales in comparison to Dr. Octagon, which I'm surprised made the list. It's one of my all time favorite albums, regardless of genre, but it seems that they threw it in alongside Aceyalone to get "art-fag" credibility.

And the reason I take Dr. Octagon over Deltron 3030 is that when Octagon came out, there was simply nothing like it. Kool Keith wasn't rapping like he was playing an intergalactic dentist, he had you believing he was that dentist. On another point, the production on Deltron is much more lush and technically precise, but I don't think it can match the pure rugged basslines and kicks to your face that Octagon offers. It was much more inventive, while a lot of people look at Deltron as a Octagon Part II. And that doesn't take away from it, but to make a shitty analogy that people may not agree with, to me, Octagon is GTA3 and Deltron is Vice City. The first you've never played many things like it, and the second time around while its technically better, it doesn't capture you like the first.

Whatever, I'm rambling. Both are incredibly dope.
 

Jim Bowie

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ZootedGranny said:
Why? I'm not trying to come off as an elitist asshole, but none of those should sniff the Top 25, especially Dizzee Rascal.

I'll tell you exactly why- Missy Elliot is number 24, and LL Cool J is number 16. Honestly tell me that you wouldn't move up Doc Oc two pegs, slide Deltron and Mr. Lif right underneath them. That's why, IMO
 

Blackie

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Definately agree with this one.

I can't believe you even mentioned Sage Francis though, Bowie. He's not prominent, hasn't released anything groundbreaking, and should stay far away from any top 25 hip hop lists.
 

dtrip

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ZootedGranny said:
My problems with the list:


They have Fear of a Black Planets instead of It Takes a Nation of Millions...
I agree, I think It Takes a Nation of Millions is better than Fear of a Black Planet
 
only built for cuban linx has to be on there, that damn album had way too much influence and set way too many trends for it not to be.

The Black Stallion said:
Deltron 3030 > Dr. Octagon
I love both, but Deltron was simply beautiful.

Black Star > Reflection Eternal > Black on Both Sides
Mos needs to decide if he's a crappy rock artist or a damn good rapper.

I have to also agree with this, suprisingly i thought id never find myself agreeing with your crazy ass but I am.

Deltron 3030 Fuckin OWNZ....its such an amazing hiphop album.

agree with the blackstar stuff too...

although, id put Quality Control > Blackstar only because Get by is THAT good of a song. it makes the whole album better than anything mos def, talib or blackstar has done.

peace
 

Trakball

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Damn good list for a mainstream mag, indeed. Except for the Missy thing but in a way, they have a point with their selection: think how Timbaland's production style has influenced hip-hop since that album. Just about everybody has a Timba-esque joint on their album - those fast hi-hats ticking away, that almost drum & bass cadence...

*I* wouldn't have included it on my top 25 list, but it makes more sense to me when I give it a moment or two.
 

Wellington

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MIMIC said:
I'm totally confused by "Miss E...So Addictive" being on the list.

That's what I was saying on IRC. How in the fucking hell is Missy on this list... And Lauryn Hill... er n/m it's top 25 hip-hop not rap.

I don't understand how Blueprint is on there and how Black isn't. The Black album is easily Jay's best. It's not even a contest.

Ready to Die should have been higher. ;p
 

Jim Bowie

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Blackie said:
I can't believe you even mentioned Sage Francis though, Bowie. He's not prominent, hasn't released anything groundbreaking, and should stay far away from any top 25 hip hop lists.

Personal Journals is one of my favorite albums I own. Great beats, sensible yet heartfelt lyrics, and insane flow. Sure, he's not prominent, but is Doc Oc prominent? Will you ever hear a Doc Oc song on the radio? In a movie? He's just really damn good. And so is Sage Francis.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
Replace:

Miseducation of Lauryn Hill with Fugees: Blunted on Reality
BDP: By Any Means Necessary with KRS-One: Return of the Boom Bap

Remove:

Jay-Z, Eminem, and Missy and stick in:

Tupac: 2pacalypse Now
Leaders of the New School
Ultramagnetic MC's
 

element

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so is this the best hip hop or best rap albums. rap is such a awful term, because hip hop can be so diverse.

This is one of the better lists I've seen recently, especially coming from a mag like Entertainment Weekly.
 

Boogie9IGN

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They also missed

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Mumbles

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Well, I'm just confused. One one hand, we've got Missy and no Tupac. That makes it smell of modern mainstream.

But on the other hand, 24 and 25 are Dr. Oc and Aceyalone's best album, who would *never* show up on a list like that.

As for the lack of early 80's stuff...the simple truth is, rap at that point was pretty bare-bones. Yes, it had something to it, but the genre has undergone a huge amount of evolution since then. They usually just aren't as good, apart from the nostalgia factor.

As for Dizzee Rascal...no. Just, no.
 
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