Eurogamer: Are the Splicers in Bioshock…Woke?
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winjer
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Markio128
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Other than the guy who checks out the VR titles, Eurogamer is pure trash. They always have something stupid and irrelevant to say in every review I've ever read. I try not to engage in the woke/not woke discussion purely because I'm not interested, but this article is peak Eurogamer.
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Lokaum D+
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San Dan Glokta
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I called you takes dumb, and given the amusing response I see this isn't probably the first time this happened. . At least you lave a logical train of thought, however flawed it may be, that leads you to your conclusions, so kudos for that.
"No Gods or Kings. Only Man" This is the first thing you come across when you enter the lighthouse, everything that comes after is evidence on how disastrous that philosophy is. The game is very well made in almost all facets; the VA is top notch, and the twist was groundbreaking at that time. Was the writer trying to make some real world point? Probably. But I didn't care enough to not enjoy this brilliant game.
kpopSuperstar
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Toots
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DonkeyPunchJr
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OW2 is like if you let a bunch of circle jerking redditors from r/antiwork write a video game. It's like the entire thing just exists as a vehicle for the writers to bitch about current day issues and fling shit at things they don't like. All delivered with a heavy dose of unfunny "humor" and ironic detachment because any sincerity or genuine emotion is too "cringe" for the Modern Audience apparently.
Compare that with something like Cyberpunk 2077, which also tackles the themes of evil mega corporations + greed + artificiality + consumerism replacing meaning and purpose in people's lives. The difference is that the lore, world building, writing, characters, scenarios, etc are infinitely better than Outer Worlds.
OW2 isn't being criticized just for daring to criticize rich people and corporations. It's because it does so in the most artless, trite, boring way possible.
DeepEnigma
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IFireflyl
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Angry_Megalodon
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The writing in Disco Elysium is on a completely different universe compared to the AAA western RPGs.
This game is an actual RPG, where you can mold your character at will and all the available options are equally well made. For wokies, their ideology is the only good, so everything else is either evil or lame. That's why Dragonveil or TOW could never be good RPGs.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Right when I think gaming journalism is turning around and they hired heelvsbabyface to do a segment for them . . .
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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Fat.
DirtInUrEye
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PSSR?
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Its always the same!
at this point, is there even a difference between autistic and artistic?
Clear
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You used "takes" plural, hence not just the singular opinion I expressed in this thread, and ergo an ad-hominem as you are attacking my character not the argument.
I get this a lot, because people shit-post all the time, and if its done serially they end up on my ignore list because there's always another jackass with more attitude than intelligence for me to argue with.
Specifically in regards to the argument; I never said Bioshock is a bad game, just critically overrated due to the usual suspects in the enthusiast press desire to come across as more serious and intellectual than they actually were/are.
So in regards to your rebuttal, how does that disprove my point that the referencing of Objectivism in Bioshock is no more than fancy stage-dressing for a simple monster-movie scenario ?
For example, how does a monster that looks like a deep sea diver with a drill hand fit into any sort of Randian critique? Big Daddies and Little Sisters are the signature gimmicks of the game and they have no relevance.
Show me some thematic correlation, show me why the backstory of Rapture actually matters beyond flavour and convenience allowing the player to be dropped medias-res into the undersea dystopia.
Even the much vaunted unreliable narrator twist with Atlas is kind of a wet-fart reveal imho because the player obeys his instructions due to the conventions of video-gaming and not to do with fiction or mise-en-scene!
I like intelligent games, intelligent philosophical stories in all media, but Bioshock simply isn't that clever in my opinion.
Which isn't to say its a bad game, its good in many ways and it has a few effective bits of audience manipulation. Its just severely overrated, particularly for its faux intellectualism.
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BigBeauford
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Eurogamer has really been thrashing and gnashing about lately with a lot of inarticulate and attention seeking nonsense, which ironically is the same thing someone dying from oxygen depravation would be experiencing.
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Punished Miku
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Two things can be true at the same time. OW1 definitely has moments of bland, cheesy writing. I just finished it. It's also undeniably true that the reactionary culture has dramatically changed since Bioshock 1, along with what people are willing to tolerate. I haven't played OW2 yet, but it's coming up soon on my list.
Honestly, the discourse around OW1 completely proves my point. At the time of release it was mostly well regarded as an average WRPG, and a graphical step up for Obsidian from some of their smaller Kickstarter level projects. Sold 5 million. Nobody trashed it like they do now at all. At worst, forgettable and underwhelming. The culture couldn't be more different now.
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DonkeyPunchJr
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Man, fuck these people. They spent the last decade cramming their heavy handed messaging into fucking everything and systematically destroying practically every established IP in existence with their bullshit. Then they have the gall to gaslight us by pretending it's always been that way and we are just noticing it now.
"Hah, you don't like woke? Well guess what? That thing you like from 20 years ago was also woke. How do you feel about that, CHUDs?"
Yeah good luck with that. Nobody is buying your argument.
"Hah, you don't like woke? Well guess what? That thing you like from 20 years ago was also woke. How do you feel about that, CHUDs?"
Yeah good luck with that. Nobody is buying your argument.
Punished Miku
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Again, 2 things can be true at the same time.
They did cram crap in games with heavy handed messaging. Also, the response movement is oftentimes just as annoying and goes on witch hunts against good games all the time.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Trans humanism has been in games for ages. Is Bioshock their first game?
Sevyne
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I don't really consider games like Bioshock to be "woke" in ways that I'd consider a game like Veilguard to be woke. Theres levels to this shit and one of those thing is more tolerable than the other.
I think some messaging in games can be eyeroll worthy, but at least do it with some talent and grace. The problem today is that you have a bunch of blue-haired, bisexual lighting loving, bluesky talentless crybabies hamfisting the most tacked on unsubtle slop into games, and then calling you a Nazi for not liking it. I didn't even like Bioshock, but would I be called a Nazi, racist, sexist, piece of shit, and be told to kys over it? No, but they'd sure as hell try to "cancel" me for saying anything negative about Veilguard (a game none of them bought to support anyway.)
I guess the point being that back in the day, a writer was mostly self-serving. Could be annoying, but harmless and avoidable. Now a writer (if you can even call them that) is serving a specific movement and catering/bending a knee to a hate group that wears a mask of "tolerance".
I think some messaging in games can be eyeroll worthy, but at least do it with some talent and grace. The problem today is that you have a bunch of blue-haired, bisexual lighting loving, bluesky talentless crybabies hamfisting the most tacked on unsubtle slop into games, and then calling you a Nazi for not liking it. I didn't even like Bioshock, but would I be called a Nazi, racist, sexist, piece of shit, and be told to kys over it? No, but they'd sure as hell try to "cancel" me for saying anything negative about Veilguard (a game none of them bought to support anyway.)
I guess the point being that back in the day, a writer was mostly self-serving. Could be annoying, but harmless and avoidable. Now a writer (if you can even call them that) is serving a specific movement and catering/bending a knee to a hate group that wears a mask of "tolerance".
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DeepEnigma
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LMAO
They've now changed the title of the video to:
Why BioShock is More Relevant Today Than It's Ever Been
StereoVsn
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Well, of course, and so are BG3 and Cyberpunk which their own way are very progressive games.
My point is that Disco Elysium was written by actual Marxists socialists with that sort of ideology and yet nobody was protesting or making fun of that game because it was brilliant.
OW1&2 are just mediocre with a huge dose of hypocrisy on top.
mckmas8808
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Their thumbnails are super woke tho
Kacho
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True.
I don't remember what year it was, but there was a bunch of people calling themselves woke and putting it in their bios on Twitter. That was one of the OG virtue signals. Eventually the term was turned against them and now all those people hate it and ask what woke even means. What a wild ride.
Laptop1991
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This is ridiculous, i have played Bioshock 1 and 2 many times and never thought the Splicers are woke once, anything but, these journalist's now belong in the old Victorian Asylum's lol, they actually get paid for doing this bollocks!.
mckmas8808
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Everything about this post has no context. To the point it's basically a lie.
DeepEnigma
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No it's not. Goofies were doing that on Twitter and the like from 2015-
It was just prior to the pronoun lunacy.
Loomy
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Before the term was co-opted, twisted, and politicized to mock protestors during the 2010s, "stay woke" was used in African American music/protest songsas far back as the 30s.
Having said that, this video is bait, and this forum is going to give it another 100 or so hate watch views lol.
Kacho
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Nah it was definitely a thing and a quick google on woke usage backs me up. Seems the new meta will be "the thing you liked years ago was actually woke."
Minari
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No clicks from me lol.
I remember the term being used in terms of awakened by certain ppl but that came way after 2007..
the term was twisted by people who are twisted themselves. the irony...
GHG
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mckmas8808
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"Stay woke" was just a term to tell or remind people to be aware of the inequities going on in America where some people felt things were F'ed up in certain ways. Many normal conversations that groups have had for decades. Then some goofies decided to make it mean something it was never about.
That's why I said out of context. The "stay woke" back then meant something specific. Then some far-left lunatics pushed it to mean too many things. Then many in MAGA made it mean even more that and tried to insinuate that anybody using the term "woke" were brain-dead retards.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
They have nobody to blame but themselves. Can't blame the audience for noticing patterns and avoiding anything with the slightest smell of "modern audience" sensibilities after being burned so many times.
And BTW studios like Disney used to seed stories to the media talking about all the hate + pushback their latest project is getting, preemptively branding all their detractors as racist/sexist/homophobic/etc, all in an attempt to make critics afraid to criticize their movies/shows/whatever.
If something gets branded as "woke" and that proves to be unwarranted, usually the record gets corrected pretty quickly. I am not aware of a game or movie that failed because it was unfairly called "woke".
Plague Doctor
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Well here's a counter question for Eurogamer.
Would a Splicer give Dragon Age Veilguard a perfect score and then a year later retract it?
Would a Splicer give Dragon Age Veilguard a perfect score and then a year later retract it?
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alabtrosMyster
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WTF, the powerful and the rich are what brought us the woke bs, this is institutional stuff through and through.
After years of pushback there is finally a bit of a loosening coming in some areas, i.e., it's much less dangerous to criticize woke BS at work, depending on the place.
But the big companies still have DEI (under the name of BRIDGE) these days, if you're white-ish you get less chances of being hired, if you get hired then your chances of getting raises, bonuses, will be lower (equitable bonuses are a thing)... Your boss will be evaluated on the diversity quotas, etc.
All things that require an insane amount of power to push top to bottom on a society, and often done at the behest of large wealth management groups, banks and/or government in some countries, states or cities.
As for "the right" that often includes just middle of the road people being lumped together with alt right type people, who only gained in numbers because of how the left has progressed over the last 10/15 years.
Kacho
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To a subset of people, sure. But it got co-opted by people on social media looking for brownie points leading to it being overused, overexposed and poisoned. These are the same people putting flags in their social media handles/bios for ass pats.
Cyberpunkd
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The problem is American idolisation of executives and mega corporations. Also people are just too fucking dumb to recognise satire.
So no, they are not woke, because "let's not have mega corporations rule the world" shouldn't even be a question. The answer should be always YES.
DeepEnigma
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Agreed on that.
People literally put 'woke' in their bios. Just as they do pronouns and rainbows and (insert current other country flag of the month) now.
It was why others started calling it NPC behavior, since they shifted what "the man" (globalist establishment/MSM) told them to shift to.
Bingo. It all started during Occupy Wall Street. Now these same goofies march with JP Morgan Chase and the like in parades with rainbow advertising. Like lemmings to paradise. Where they were ready to burn them to the ground mere months prior.
Once again pinning us against each other and literally having polarize bases rooting for the 1% of the 1% to "fleece the other side" while having their heads in the sand.
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Punished Miku
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And now they're bringing us anti-woke. It's practically one of the only things propping up the right. The rich will jump on any pre-existing story other than themselves. Immigrants, woke, anti-woke, doesn't really matter as long as you look at anything but them.
