European Union fines Microsoft 1.3billion$/900million euros for charging too much

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medrew said:
Then don't make posts about OSes if your not prepared to back it up. In particular if your comments/opinions can be seen as being naive and lacking merit.

I'm basing this off of Ubuntu which was the most user friendly of the distributions I have used (Basically the most user friendly distribution period).

1. Installation with Ubuntu is absolute shit. Having to type a password when installing/reinstalling/uninstalling is downright retarded.
2. Compatibility of drivers and software is beyond horrid. Especially printer support.
3. Ubuntu has yet to completely rid of the need for the command line.
4. Gaming. I'm well aware gaming can be achieved through Ubuntu but we are talking user friendly. Wine is not user friendly.
 
This is actually my team at Microsoft's project. Obviously cannot reveal any insider info, but let me give my personal take just from how it goes back and forth in the news. I'm liberal, anti-corporate, and pro-open-source, and I believe the EU is way off in how harsh they're being.

Just as the latest example how much good faith Microsoft has tried to show to these guys -- (...and why wouldn't it be sincere? Would you government issues to be a problem or in the news?) -- MSFT has started GIVING THIS INFORMATION AWAY:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc203350.aspx (Ballmer fanfare: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/interoperability/default.mspx )

That's right, folks. Want to know how SMB really REALLY works? (Samba, I'm lookin' at you!) HERE: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc212363.aspx

Gosh, I sure wish I could make a Linux server that could operate inside a Windows domain! But first I would need to know how Local Security Authority works, and what the heck they did to Kerberos... Oh wait. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc207038.aspx and http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc206927.aspx seem to tell me exactly that.

Screw MSFT, man. They won't share how they stream Windows Media files, so Apache can't even buffer .wmvs! Buhhhh, oh, huh? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc251059.aspx

Man, Microsoft never adheres to any standards. They even extended DHCP - and didn't tell anyone what they did!! Oh wait, yeah they did: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc202583.aspx

Can't talk about anything that isn't out on the web already for you to read, but in my personal view, there is a difference between enforcing antitrust concerns and using the court to weaken or attack your competitor. When you look at who is showing the good faith here, I think the case is pretty clear.

One thing I can say: I believe we've worked really hard putting these docs together and making them use langauge/standards that the non-Microsoft world can use and understand, and that we are trying.
 
Chichikov said:
How would opening the source (what source by the way?) would allow you to play your games on other OSs?

Heck they could just release a DirectX 10 port for Linux when they are at it. WINE is a hassle.
 
antiloop said:
Heck they could just release a DirectX 10 port for Linux when they are at it. WINE is a hassle.
So you do want MS to implement DirectX for another platform.
Ok then.
I’m sure this makes sense to you.
 
Chichikov said:
So you do want MS to implement DirectX for another platform.
Ok then.
I’m sure this makes sense to you.

Why not?

Microsoft's OS monopoly has more or less forced developers to use the DirectX API for a very long time now.
Why should I be forced to buy a Microsoft OS to play games? Heck it's basically the only reason I still keep Windows XP. I guess I will soon be forced to Vista to keep gaming.
 
antiloop said:
I may have revealed my biases here, but a better question would be: why?

That would be something like Microsoft porting XBOX Live to Wii / PS3. They own their platform, they strengthen their platform... uh, end of business strategy, really. Don't see why it would extend to making ports FOR their competitors.

It's not just their "OS Monopoly" that makes Windows the plaform for which most computer games come out, btw. It's also that using DirectX (and now .NET Compact FW/XNA) is much easier than native graphic calls, and once you create something that uses DirectX it's basically ready to go on both XBOX 360 and Windows.

As Ballmer once said: Developers, developers, developers, developers.
 
Draft said:
Can you imagine? In the judge's chambers, old Euro dude sitting there, playing Gran Turismo or Singstar or whatever, just all "man fuck these Xbots I'm gonna give it to them good."
Damnit Draft :lol
 
harSon said:
I'm basing this off of Ubuntu which was the most user friendly of the distributions I have used (Basically the most user friendly distribution period).

1. Installation with Ubuntu is absolute shit. Having to type a password when installing/reinstalling/uninstalling is downright retarded.
2. Compatibility of drivers and software is beyond horrid. Especially printer support.
3. Ubuntu has yet to completely rid of the need for the command line.
4. Gaming. I'm well aware gaming can be achieved through Ubuntu but we are talking user friendly. Wine is not user friendly.

1) Ubuntu 8.04 is coming with policykit to allow privileges for certain events without having to run as root. If you don't know why a password is needed for installation et al then you're an idiot (it's for security purposes, obviously).

2) Chicken and egg situation (besides printer support got much better in 7.10 when they switched to system-config-printer)

3) Xorg 7.3 which comes with 8.04 basically spells the end for the command line for what the average user would ever have to use it for anyway. Any computer 'power' user should embrace it.

4) Chicken and egg.

2 and 4 are the only 'valid' ones. And those are catch-22 situations. Basically you want the support but the support won't be there if there's no demand (and you said it shouldn't be demanded because there is no support)...
 
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