Justin Wong
Evolution 2013 IOT2I Gods Among Losers Final Day - July 14th
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Justin Wong
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
love this pic
Is there a video of this?
Veggy
Member
Phoenix
His Dormammu was wrecked by Justin, too.
Karsticles
Member
Wat.
I have Ranmasama winning his match, what are you talking about?
The only thing I thought about was how to get the most Zeros into top 4. That was easy for 3/4 of the matches, since they have Zero players. Then, between ChrisG and Ranmasama, I picked the player most likely to lose to a Zero in top 4, which is definitely Ranmasama.
I'm not worried about Dormammu getting nerfs, lol. There's no patch coming. I just want the entire world to know that Zero is 100% the best character in the game so people stop pretending that he's not.
Some people set brackets to win patch wars. I'm setting the bracket up to win forum wars. ;-)
Even if a patch were coming, I can't see how Dormammu would get nerfed without them destroying the character. At most he would get a damage nerf, and I don't care at all about that happening. Really, how could they reasonably nerf Dormammu?
Wait.. Justin plays Phoenix now?
I am appropriately ashamed.
Veggy
Member
No, FChamp does
SloaneRisette
Member
Want me to save a seat for you?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I don't even recognize you anymore with your sloth in a sombrero
come back to us, El Sloth pls
Ah alright I was half way right anyway.
The "forum war" has already been won. Although the Zero players will try to deflect the argument to "hey guys look at all the Vergils on those Zero teams.. CLEARLY Vergil is the best character and not Zero!"
Dorm will probably get nerfed in the "easy" damage department but he won't be the only character. I think it's kinda silly that Dorms are making top 8s still doing day 1 combos because that damage is sufficient.
The "forum war" has already been won. Although the Zero players will try to deflect the argument to "hey guys look at all the Vergils on those Zero teams.. CLEARLY Vergil is the best character and not Zero!"
Dorm will probably get nerfed in the "easy" damage department but he won't be the only character. I think it's kinda silly that Dorms are making top 8s still doing day 1 combos because that damage is sufficient.
Shouta
Member
I've only got an A badge so I gotta sit in the the other room. I may end up just chilling in the room. watching it on stream and eating the fuck out of some pizza and shit depending on what's going on.
I invited Fudo and Itazan to do some VF5FS with Shag (who invited me) so hopefully they'll respond. Gonna skip injustice finals if they're up for ti. =p
and I'm up 250 bucks in slots myself. Gonna try and get a bit more later today.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I'm surprised at only 2 Dooms in top 8, but I guess the Zero teams took the rest of the Doom spots.
Rice-Eater
Member
Yo damn Poongko, I guess he said fuck MM's this year and went all in on the casino this year. Last year I remember Gootecks tweeted that he needed a place to stay before flying out because he blew all his money on lost MM's.
DryEyeRelief
Member
I just noticed that both matches in winners are wolverine vs zero.
So... just a fun question: who does everyone want to win Smash?
Quick Top 8 recap with characters the players use:
Winners bracket
Wobbles (Ice Climbers) [side note: Wobbles is one of Smash's commentators]
CT|Hungrybox (Jigglypuff)
VGBC|Dr.PeePee (Falco)
EMP|Mew2King (Sheik, Marth)
Losers bracket
Shroomed (Dr. Mario)
Mango (Fox, Falco)
Ice (Sheik)
Armada (Peach)
I really want Dr. PeePee to win but if I went by character, I'd really want Wobbles to win. Ice Climbers being free and taking it all would be absolutely amazing.
Quick Top 8 recap with characters the players use:
Winners bracket
Wobbles (Ice Climbers) [side note: Wobbles is one of Smash's commentators]
CT|Hungrybox (Jigglypuff)
VGBC|Dr.PeePee (Falco)
EMP|Mew2King (Sheik, Marth)
Losers bracket
Shroomed (Dr. Mario)
Mango (Fox, Falco)
Ice (Sheik)
Armada (Peach)
I really want Dr. PeePee to win but if I went by character, I'd really want Wobbles to win. Ice Climbers being free and taking it all would be absolutely amazing.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Dooms didn't make top 8 because everyone was dropping infinites all day. Surprisingly the Zero players weren't dropping a lot of combos. I guess those Zero players practice on PS3.
Also having teams based around TAC infinites is vastly inferior to having a Zero team. I have been saying it since the day infinites were discovered. Infinites are still god damn stupid but now people realize why Zero is even stupider... he negates the reason to have TAC infinites or learning resets. Why even give the opponent the small chance to escape?
Thought so. I think I have watched the losers bracket first. Cheers.
Veggy
Member
If Chris G loses is this the song that's gonna go through his head?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgxKm2k342g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgxKm2k342g
Definitely Shroomed. Dr. Mario was my first main.
Ahaha completely agree about the haircut! Congrats for making laugh stupidly hard out loud in a coffee shop just now.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Doom is xbox tier
qwoijzacxoi
Neo Member
A quick recap of the Melee top 8:
Winners
Mew2King - The "robot", Mew2King is by far the most methodical and scripted-feeling of the lot - no one's playstyle even comes close to being so robot-like. He's well known for being the only player most comfortable at the edge of the stage, when others would consider the edge a major positional disadvantage. From roughly 2007-2009, Mew2King and his style was thought to be unbeatable until Mango started taking matches from him.
At first, the excuse was that M2K only lost because he was poor against Jigglypuff players, and so he had a continuing rivalry with Mango and Hungrybox (who are Jigglypuffs). Eventually when Mango started using other characters, it became clear that M2K was actually just being outplayed, although M2K still is a steady Top 5 in the World (and a massive favorite against everyone who's not Top 5). It would be a slight upset to see him defeat Dr. PP or Armada, but his fans expect him to have a decent chance to beat his rivals Hungrybox and Mango.
Dr. PP - Dr. PP's dominance is relatively new, since only a few years ago he was known as a very technically skilled but positional mistake-prone player. After smartening up his game, he rose to fame when things looked hopeless for the USA against Armada, and suddenly he had a dream tournament run to upset Armada and win it where Mango, M2K, and others failed. Since then he's had a close rivalry with Armada, losing to him (but taking sets, a rare thing) in a couple of major tournaments. PP's known for having the best and scariest dash dancing, as his is especially fast but very erratic-looking, something not seen from other players.
Hungrybox - One of the Top 5 and the only player favored to beat Armada's Peach very consistently, more than even Dr. PP and Mango. He did so until Armada came up with a completely unexpected way to defeat Hungrybox - switch to very low-tier Young Link whenever against Hungrybox (Armada doesn't use YL against anyone else). And it worked! Hungrybox has lost consistently to Young Link since Armada thought of the strategy. He was once thought to be the favorite against everyone except Mango, but in recent years M2K and Dr. PP have started catching onto his play and defeated him.
Although he's a very nice guy, Hungrybox is hated by many for taking full advantage of Jigglypuff's back-air, and spamming that move in a "cheap" but highly effective manner. Ironically, the former Jigglypuff Mango is one of his biggest critics on this point, and so they have a big rivalry (Mango always puts down HBox's skills, and wants to see him lose).
Wobbles - Wobbles is well known for being exceptional at doing his namesake technique, wobbling. It's basically an infinite damage grab/kill, so long as he grabs the opponent at a decent % (more than 10?) and his AI-controlled Ice Climbers' partner is nearby. He doesn't have any prominent rivalries, and because of Ice Climbers isn't top or very top tier, Wobbles probably feels fortunate to be in the Top 8 Winners (having upset Mango). He stands a feasible chance against any player except probably Armada, just because Peach is heavily favored against the IC's.
Losers
Mango - At one point, from 2009-2010 thought to be the undisputed best in the world and unbeatable after first upsetting, then consistently beating, M2K. He then defended the USA against Armada in Armada's first US tournament in probably Melee's best set in history. Armada had all but surely taken the tournament, knocking Mango to losers and then being up another 1.5 games - when Mango shockingly switched to old-school Jigglypuff and managed to win game after game in an incredible fashion. However, since then Mango's luck has been down, and his placings very inconsistent (so more players generally agree Armada has been the better player now).
Mango is actually famous for playing badly, whether through drunken foolishness, or just trolly-foolishness. He often cared more about style than results, leading to absurd deaths but awesome victories when the style did come. However, on a positive note his wacky "drunken master"-like play has made him a very difficult-to-read player, and at one time allowed his recovery game with Fox/Falco to be innovative and exceptional (although other Foxes/Falcoes have since caught on). As a former best-in-the-world, Mango has a major rivalry with the one who dethroned him, Armada (although at this point him winning would be a slight upset). He also hates Hungrybox.
Armada - The Final Boss, Armada is the one to beat and the player with the best modern tournament record. When he first arrived in the USA scene, no one expected much past Top 16 from him, because Peach was viewed as a sub-par, hopelessly flawed character. Armada has basically re-defined Peach, shocking everyone at one time with innovative off-the-edge play and never-before-seen combos (his two major strengths still). Ever since neutralizing Hungrybox with his Young Link secondary, Armada only has a true rivalry with Dr. PP, who still comes off as Armada's biggest threat. The two had a very close grand finals set in Europe among others, although Armada has come off on top more often than not. Yesterday's biggest Melee match was Armada vs. Dr. PP, where PP had managed to knock Armada to losers (making Armada lose more stocks than Armada had lost in every other match combined).
Ice - A German Shiek player, Ice is one of the best from Europe but not really thought to be a contender to break or eliminate any of the Top 5. The USA players don't know too much about him, but he has lost pretty handily against Dr. PP in the past and lost against SilentWolf (an A-level Fox who didn't make it to the Top 8) in this tournament. Ice has won some close matches to make it to where he is now and it would be a surprising upset to see him progressing against anyone other than Shroomed.
Shroomed - A Dr. Mario player who seems to surprise everyone each time with Top 8 finishes, despite playing a underused and underpowered character. However, in recent years his finishes have really cemented him as the best player for that Dr. Mario character. Shroomed doesn't have any rivalries with the rest of the Top 8, and is disfavored against most of them (having lost to many of them in the past).
Winners
Mew2King - The "robot", Mew2King is by far the most methodical and scripted-feeling of the lot - no one's playstyle even comes close to being so robot-like. He's well known for being the only player most comfortable at the edge of the stage, when others would consider the edge a major positional disadvantage. From roughly 2007-2009, Mew2King and his style was thought to be unbeatable until Mango started taking matches from him.
At first, the excuse was that M2K only lost because he was poor against Jigglypuff players, and so he had a continuing rivalry with Mango and Hungrybox (who are Jigglypuffs). Eventually when Mango started using other characters, it became clear that M2K was actually just being outplayed, although M2K still is a steady Top 5 in the World (and a massive favorite against everyone who's not Top 5). It would be a slight upset to see him defeat Dr. PP or Armada, but his fans expect him to have a decent chance to beat his rivals Hungrybox and Mango.
Dr. PP - Dr. PP's dominance is relatively new, since only a few years ago he was known as a very technically skilled but positional mistake-prone player. After smartening up his game, he rose to fame when things looked hopeless for the USA against Armada, and suddenly he had a dream tournament run to upset Armada and win it where Mango, M2K, and others failed. Since then he's had a close rivalry with Armada, losing to him (but taking sets, a rare thing) in a couple of major tournaments. PP's known for having the best and scariest dash dancing, as his is especially fast but very erratic-looking, something not seen from other players.
Hungrybox - One of the Top 5 and the only player favored to beat Armada's Peach very consistently, more than even Dr. PP and Mango. He did so until Armada came up with a completely unexpected way to defeat Hungrybox - switch to very low-tier Young Link whenever against Hungrybox (Armada doesn't use YL against anyone else). And it worked! Hungrybox has lost consistently to Young Link since Armada thought of the strategy. He was once thought to be the favorite against everyone except Mango, but in recent years M2K and Dr. PP have started catching onto his play and defeated him.
Although he's a very nice guy, Hungrybox is hated by many for taking full advantage of Jigglypuff's back-air, and spamming that move in a "cheap" but highly effective manner. Ironically, the former Jigglypuff Mango is one of his biggest critics on this point, and so they have a big rivalry (Mango always puts down HBox's skills, and wants to see him lose).
Wobbles - Wobbles is well known for being exceptional at doing his namesake technique, wobbling. It's basically an infinite damage grab/kill, so long as he grabs the opponent at a decent % (more than 10?) and his AI-controlled Ice Climbers' partner is nearby. He doesn't have any prominent rivalries, and because of Ice Climbers isn't top or very top tier, Wobbles probably feels fortunate to be in the Top 8 Winners (having upset Mango). He stands a feasible chance against any player except probably Armada, just because Peach is heavily favored against the IC's.
Losers
Mango - At one point, from 2009-2010 thought to be the undisputed best in the world and unbeatable after first upsetting, then consistently beating, M2K. He then defended the USA against Armada in Armada's first US tournament in probably Melee's best set in history. Armada had all but surely taken the tournament, knocking Mango to losers and then being up another 1.5 games - when Mango shockingly switched to old-school Jigglypuff and managed to win game after game in an incredible fashion. However, since then Mango's luck has been down, and his placings very inconsistent (so more players generally agree Armada has been the better player now).
Mango is actually famous for playing badly, whether through drunken foolishness, or just trolly-foolishness. He often cared more about style than results, leading to absurd deaths but awesome victories when the style did come. However, on a positive note his wacky "drunken master"-like play has made him a very difficult-to-read player, and at one time allowed his recovery game with Fox/Falco to be innovative and exceptional (although other Foxes/Falcoes have since caught on). As a former best-in-the-world, Mango has a major rivalry with the one who dethroned him, Armada (although at this point him winning would be a slight upset). He also hates Hungrybox.
Armada - The Final Boss, Armada is the one to beat and the player with the best modern tournament record. When he first arrived in the USA scene, no one expected much past Top 16 from him, because Peach was viewed as a sub-par, hopelessly flawed character. Armada has basically re-defined Peach, shocking everyone at one time with innovative off-the-edge play and never-before-seen combos (his two major strengths still). Ever since neutralizing Hungrybox with his Young Link secondary, Armada only has a true rivalry with Dr. PP, who still comes off as Armada's biggest threat. The two had a very close grand finals set in Europe among others, although Armada has come off on top more often than not. Yesterday's biggest Melee match was Armada vs. Dr. PP, where PP had managed to knock Armada to losers (making Armada lose more stocks than Armada had lost in every other match combined).
Ice - A German Shiek player, Ice is one of the best from Europe but not really thought to be a contender to break or eliminate any of the Top 5. The USA players don't know too much about him, but he has lost pretty handily against Dr. PP in the past and lost against SilentWolf (an A-level Fox who didn't make it to the Top 8) in this tournament. Ice has won some close matches to make it to where he is now and it would be a surprising upset to see him progressing against anyone other than Shroomed.
Shroomed - A Dr. Mario player who seems to surprise everyone each time with Top 8 finishes, despite playing a underused and underpowered character. However, in recent years his finishes have really cemented him as the best player for that Dr. Mario character. Shroomed doesn't have any rivalries with the rest of the Top 8, and is disfavored against most of them (having lost to many of them in the past).
DryEyeRelief
Member
It doesn't look likely for an American/Mexican representative to reach grand finals, so probably not.
ColtraineGF
Member
Melee finals are gonna be the most hype I get all day.
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Parallax Scroll
Banned
Xian just woke up
I wouldn't mind see Shroomed or Ice win seeing as they are probably the two biggest underdogs there.
Karsticles
Member
It's more that Dormammu's extended combos are a ton of work for the small damage bonus they provide. They would need to rework his damage scaling or something to make it more worthwhile. They would also need to change Dark Matter's hitbox to not be crouchable by some of the cast members, because if you want his max damage combo to become his bnb, you need to allow people to start combos with:
j.S, c.L, s.H, f.H
But with his current hitboxes, s.H whiffs after c.L sometimes, and f.H whiffs against small characters. It just makes good sense for Dormammu players to focus on strings that work on the entire cast.
Personally, if Marvel got a real update, these are the changes I would need to see to fix the game entirely:
1) Ground throw techs create slightly more space; techable throw time increased by 5 frames.
2) TACs are non-breakable, no meter gain/loss when used, usable at any point in a combo, no HSD reset (basically, make it another combo option for teams).
3) X-Factor now costs 1 bar, no limit on uses, only provides the cancel effect.
4) All characters given 3 good assists (or custom assists a la Skullgirls).
5) Damage reduced by roughly 1/2 to 1/3 across the board (chip damage buffed to 50% or so to ensure keepaway is still viable).
6) All characters either gain a permanent buff when they are the last character on a team or have a solo assist call option (I've discussed these before at length; they are better than X-Factor on principle).
That would make for the perfect Marvel game, to me.
solidgear91
Member
I am so ready for some KoF
Terareflection
Member
I think Reynald can, he just needs to stop dropping combos.
It's gonna be 3 PM EST/Noon PST. ASSUMING KOF doesn't go over as much like last year.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
That's the plan, but don't be surprised if KOF takes more than the allotted 2 hours.
Lazy vs Crazy
Member
Doom and Vergil.