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[keraj37]

If you still have hard time buying that box of 9mm ammo, here are advises how you can deal with ensuring protection for yourself and your neighbors:

1. PCP Air Rifle

1.1. Make sure you can make projectiles made of lead by yourself.
1.2. And fill the air tank with air PCP compressor.

A) Buy a decent PCP rifle (165+ foot-pound), and make sure you have lead boiler and bullet mold (for this rifle) and of course, you know how to use it.
B) Next you need a PCP compressor and the air tank to fill it.

If you have cheap lead bars around, the compressor - you can avoid ammo shortages using PCP rifles.

2. Black Powder guns

2.1. Black powder is cheap and plentiful.
2.2. You also need lead, boiler and bullet molds.
2.3. You need practice loading the guns, especially revolvers (risk of being blown).

A) There is a lot I could write here, but lets just say black powder guns are out of ATF jurisdiction and it is worth to learn how to use it, since they can be very effective, almost the same way the modern nitro guns are.
B) Once you know how to use your BP gun, you can live in jungle (no pun intended).

3. Crossbow

3.1. Arrows are cheap, that is all I need to say
3.2. Ah and yes, buy a simple crossbow so you just need to wax one string.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

Prepper GAF get itt!!!!

Those are good alternatives, my strategy is always just to wait until shooting becomes affordable. Still waiting…

 

[nush]

"Advice"

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I’d rather shoot 22lr over a black powder pistol or air rifle.

 

[Kilau]

 

[daveonezero]

Or just keep buying ammo. It’s expensive but still out there.

 

[epicnemesis]

I’ve found 9mm is readily available. It’s the less common ones like 380APC that are tricky.

 

[Trogdor1123]

My daughter and I are looking at compound bows. We are going to get lessons as neither of us have had one before.

 

[keraj37]

My daughter and I are looking at compound bows. We are going to get lessons as neither of us have had one before.

That is a good direction IMHO, but I prefer crossbow, but same logic here.

 

[Trogdor1123]

That is a good direction IMHO, but I prefer crossbow, but same logic here.

My brother in law wanted a crossbow too. We want them just for fun.

 

[Dream-Knife]

Protection from what? None of those are viable for home defense or carrying on your person.

You can still buy ammo, it's just really expensive. Good defensive loads have anyways been expensive. For handguns get Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, or Winchester Ranger-T. 147gr is preferable.

For 556, any open tip load should be good for home defense. You do not want to be using TSX for home defense.

 

[keraj37]

Protection from what? None of those are viable for home defense or carrying on your person.

You can still buy ammo, it's just really expensive. Good defensive loads have anyways been expensive. For handguns get Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, or Winchester Ranger-T. 147gr is preferable.

For 556, any open tip load should be good for home defense. You do not want to be using TSX for home defense.

All you say is actually truth, except that BP revolvers are good for carrying on your person.

 

[Dream-Knife]

All you say is actually truth, except that BP revolvers are good for carrying on your person.

If it's a cartridge revolver, sure I guess. Cap and ball? Just carry a knife.

 

[Burning Blade]

Paintball gun full of marbles.

 

[keraj37]

If it's a cartridge revolver, sure I guess. Cap and ball? Just carry a knife.

Once it is loaded, it is good as cartridge one

 

[Dream-Knife]

Once it is loaded, it is good as cartridge one

Good luck with that.

Idk why you would even bother unless you're a felon or something...

You can get a 9mm Shield for under $300.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

3. Crossbow

3.1. Arrows are cheap, that is all I need to say
3.2. Ah and yes, buy a simple crossbow so you just need to wax one string.

This crossbow is a piece of shit.

THIS IS A REAL CROSSBOW

 

[keraj37]

This crossbow is a piece of shit.

THIS IS A REAL CROSSBOW

Yeah this one better for sure.

 

[keraj37]

Good luck with that.

Idk why you would even bother unless you're a felon or something...

You can get a 9mm Shield for under $300.

I don't need luck, just 6 fully loaded chambers.

 

[Dream-Knife]

I don't need luck, just 6 fully loaded chambers.

....you never carry a single action on a loaded chamber.

 

[AlteredForms]

GunNut NeoGAF must be getting off to this kind of shit. They whack off with gunpowder.

 

[keraj37]

....you never carry a single action on a loaded chamber.

Why not?

 

[SireSmogMurk]

If you still have hard time buying that box of 9mm ammo, here are advises how you can deal with ensuring protection for yourself and your neighbors:

1. PCP Air Rifle

1.1. Make sure you can make projectiles made of lead by yourself.
1.2. And fill the air tank with air PCP compressor.

A) Buy a decent PCP rifle (165+ foot-pound), and make sure you have lead boiler and bullet mold (for this rifle) and of course, you know how to use it.
B) Next you need a PCP compressor and the air tank to fill it.

If you have cheap lead bars around, the compressor - you can avoid ammo shortages using PCP rifles.

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I've been wanting to get a PCP air rifle for years but more important things keep getting in the way. My last break barrel springer shot itself out of alignment and busted the internals.

If you are going to get an air rifle, you can get a pump without needing a compressor. You *WILL* need to do a fair amount of pumping to charge that tank, it is a chore and a task at once and in short... not quick and quite laborious.

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As an avid air rifleman... it seems to me that one would be better off with a break barrel springer for the scenario your describe. You won't need extra equipment to keep your tank charged, break barrels are louder but PCP rifles aren't much quieter (unless you mod and tweak them, then they can be so quiet they make suppressed guns in movies seem loud), break barrels come with magazines these days same as many PCP, and MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL... the PCP tank will only do about 20-30 shots at max power (more [at less velocity] if it's a rifle you can fiddle with pressure settings, and many PCP rifles do... but for most shooters that sort of thing just isn't necessary) before requiring a recharge and it takes time to change tank. The break barrel you just cock n' lock and can go until the internals crap out. All together with the break barrel you won't have to lug around or hide pumping equipment and you won't have to spend the time pumping the thing up.

Another thing, air rifles generally fire pellets in .177 or the less common .22. .177 pellets you can buy at your local walmart or sporting goods stores for dirt cheap, .22 pellets are more specialty and less easy to come by and more expensive as well. .177 pellets aren't very big and don't do a ton of damage, the .22 pellets are a little bigger but the leap in damage isn't really phenomenal... but I wouldn't want to get shot anywhere in the neck, face, head or stomach area with one of those. You'll probably not put anyone down with 1 shot from either a .177 or a .22 air gun, but you might be able to convince someone to move along or you might be able to put enough small holes into them that they meet their fate.

Also, air rifles are easy to learn and get the hang of, easy and cheap to have fun with and... Best thing about air guns in general... no need for a fire arm ID to have and use them (in the USA, not sure about anywhere else)!

All that said... if it were my life on the line... an air gun is better then nothing... but i'd want something more substantial. Against another human you'll probably end up dead or bashing them to death with your air rifle because they fucked up. In the survival setting your air rifle will mostly be used to hunt small game.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

....you never carry a single action on a loaded chamber.

You are 100% correct, and Remington 1858's have notches cut into the rear of the cylinder between each nipple for the express purpose of safely resting the hammer with a fully loaded cylinder.

All that being said, for the love of God don't carry a cap & ball revolver unless you're going inna woods to hunt during muzzleloading season, and you want a capable sidearm. Modern Pietta replicas are every bit as deadly as the originals, and every bit as finicky and unreliable. You are not Wyatt Earp, get a modern self-defense pistol for everyday carrying.

Also, if you're going to cast your own lead do it outside with plenty of ventilation. Lead fumes are no joke.

 

[The Wise Old Man]

I guess people are panic buying ammo a little more these days but it’s still fairly easy to find onlne (and they mail it to you in many/most states).

Or if you’re into DIY, check out how to make and load ammo yourself so you don’t have to worry about running out.

And just to be clear here, an airgun or crossbow aren’t going to get the job done if your goal is legitimate defense/security.

 

[AJUMP23]

What about a good sling like David used on that giant Goliath?

 

[daveonezero]

I guess people are panic buying ammo a little more these days but it’s still fairly easy to find onlne (and they mail it to you in many/most states).

Or if you’re into DIY, check out how to make and load ammo yourself so you don’t have to worry about running out.

And just to be clear here, an airgun or crossbow aren’t going to get the job done if your goal is legitimate defense/security.

The components ( especially primer) are very hard to get these days

 

[Trogdor1123]

You are 100% correct, and Remington 1858's have notches cut into the rear of the cylinder between each nipple for the express purpose of safely resting the hammer with a fully loaded cylinder.

All that being said, for the love of God don't carry a cap & ball revolver unless you're going inna woods to hunt during muzzleloading season, and you want a capable sidearm. Modern Pietta replicas are every bit as deadly as the originals, and every bit as finicky and unreliable. You are not Wyatt Earp, get a modern self-defense pistol for everyday carrying.

Also, if you're going to cast your own lead do it outside with plenty of ventilation. Lead fumes are no joke.

I feel like you could teach me lots about firearms. I'm only just getting into them.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I feel like you could teach me lots about firearms. I'm only just getting into them.

No problem, just remember ask 10 gun nuts a question, and you'll likely get 50 answers.

 

[Taxexemption]

You are 100% correct, and Remington 1858's have notches cut into the rear of the cylinder between each nipple for the express purpose of safely resting the hammer with a fully loaded cylinder.

All that being said, for the love of God don't carry a cap & ball revolver unless you're going inna woods to hunt during muzzleloading season, and you want a capable sidearm. Modern Pietta replicas are every bit as deadly as the originals, and every bit as finicky and unreliable. You are not Wyatt Earp, get a modern self-defense pistol for everyday carrying.

Also, if you're going to cast your own lead do it outside with plenty of ventilation. Lead fumes are no joke.

I still wouldn't recommend melting lead even if outside. I hope this doesn't qualify as a spoiler, but if you want to know something about why it might be bad to melt metals that are dangerous to humans when inhaled, please listen to the podcast S Town. I don't know what kind of money you might save, but I doubt its worth it.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I still wouldn't recommend melting lead even if outside. I hope this doesn't qualify as a spoiler, but if you want to know something about why it might be bad to melt metals that are dangerous to humans when inhaled, please listen to the podcast S Town. I don't know what kind of money you might save, but I doubt its worth it.

It helps if you get an electric bottom-pour pot specifically designed for bullet casting, as opposed to the redneck method of a dedicated cast iron pot on top of a turkey fryer burner.

That being said I only cast pure lead for my muzzleloaders and shotshell handloads. The first shell in my shotgun over my bed is traditional 00 buckshot, behind that are 3" buck & ball handloads with three 0000 balls on top of a .69 caliber roundball.

I like to call them my Anti-Son-Of-A-Bitch loads.

 

[Trogdor1123]

No problem, just remember ask 10 gun nuts a question, and you'll likely get 50 answers.

And I think that's a good thing. I live in Canada so our firearms scene is very different. I only have 2 right now, a .270 Winchester and a .22 I'm teaching the girls to shoot with.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Protection from what? None of those are viable for home defense or carrying on your person.

You know the right to carry arms in America originated from the need to protect secluded farming communities where the law officials were sometimes 2-3 hours away or more?

Now US is a modern country with instant communications and law enforcement agencies yet Americans still think it’s rural 1800s.

 

[Dream-Knife]

You know the right to carry arms in America originated from the need to protect secluded farming communities where the law officials were sometimes 2-3 hours away or more?

Now US is a modern country with instant communications and law enforcement agencies yet Americans still think it’s rural 1800s.

What are you talking about? Right to carry arms was made because all capable people are in the militia.

Law enforcement isn't there to protect you, just "keep the peace".

I'm not going to get into a gun debate on here (or anywhere) because I don't care anymore. Own a gun or don't, doesn't matter to me.

For the record everyone should get quality training. Hackathron, Pannone, McNamara, Vogel, etc will teach you how to handle a pistol and become proficient. If you are going to carry it, you should take Southnarc's ECQC.

If you spend more money on guns than ammo and training, you're doing it wrong.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

You know the right to carry arms in America originated from the need to protect secluded farming communities where the law officials were sometimes 2-3 hours away or more?

Now US is a modern country with instant communications and law enforcement agencies yet Americans still think it’s rural 1800s.

Oh good, you're here to tell Americans off about their rights again. If you're ever woken up in your house at night by an intruder I'll just bet you wish you had more than a cell phone to protect you.

 

[Kenpachii]

You know the right to carry arms in America originated from the need to protect secluded farming communities where the law officials were sometimes 2-3 hours away or more?

Now US is a modern country with instant communications and law enforcement agencies yet Americans still think it’s rural 1800s.

In the Netherlands i cannot even think about needing a gun, its ridiculous to me as being robbed in your house is mostly just hand over cash and they are on the way. nothing real violent because those criminals know u wont fight back.

If i moved to america i sure as fuck will get one, its far more dangerous there as everybody and there mom has one + police can take ages to show up because far bigger distances.

 

[Tschumi]

Maybe God's telling you you don't need any more 9mms

Ps. Anyone advising the use of lead without warning of it's toxicity is being negligent

 

[QSD]

I don't have a gun but this is such a GAF thread. What are you guys constantly needing new ammo for? I would think that if you've stockpiled a bunch you'd be good...

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I don't have a gun but this is such a GAF thread. What are you guys constantly needing new ammo for? I would think that if you've stockpiled a bunch you'd be good...

You've never been down to the range with a redneck before, have you? I've blown through 1000 round cases of cheap 9mm just with 3 people bringing their toys out. It's one of the main reasons .22lr is so popular, you used to be able to pick up 500 round bricks for $20.

 

[Meicyn]

I don't have a gun but this is such a GAF thread. What are you guys constantly needing new ammo for? I would think that if you've stockpiled a bunch you'd be good...

Part of gun safety is knowing how to use it. You can’t maintain proficiency unless you actually use it on some kind of routine basis. So you’ll need to restock on ammo.

The most dangerous folks are those who buy a gun, never practice in a safe environment, but are ready to pull it out at the first sign of trouble. They’re the ones that get people or themselves killed.

 

[QuantumZebra]

I try to keep at least 1k rounds for each caliber on hand. Also got my compound bow and knives.

Self defense (hand to hand) training is highly important too.

Protip: practice marksmanship with a BB gun in the backyard or get a .22LR to practice with, as ammo is far cheaper than 9mm.

Thankfully prices are going down and its becoming more available. I picked up 9mm at my LGS for $20/box for 124gr S&B.

I don't have a gun but this is such a GAF thread. What are you guys constantly needing new ammo for? I would think that if you've stockpiled a bunch you'd be good...

Lmao.

You really didn't need to tell us you don't have a gun, your post shows it.

Go out into the woods with some friends and mag dump an AK or AR, you'll burn up 1k rounds in a day.

 

[Ownage]

Protection from what? None of those are viable for home defense or carrying on your person.

You can still buy ammo, it's just really expensive. Good defensive loads have anyways been expensive. For handguns get Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, or Winchester Ranger-T. 147gr is preferable.

For 556, any open tip load should be good for home defense. You do not want to be using TSX for home defense.

I love Federal HST. Pay the price. Rest assured.

 

[Yamisan]

There is no 9mm shortage at all currently.

 

[QSD]

You've never been down to the range with a redneck before, have you? I've blown through 1000 round cases of cheap 9mm just with 3 people bringing their toys out. It's one of the main reasons .22lr is so popular, you used to be able to pick up 500 round bricks for $20.

LOL no, but travelling to the rural USA, seeing the nature and meeting the people is definitely on my bucket list. Only been to NYC so far, so want to see the other side.

Part of gun safety is knowing how to use it. You can’t maintain proficiency unless you actually use it on some kind of routine basis. So you’ll need to restock on ammo.

The most dangerous folks are those who buy a gun, never practice in a safe environment, but are ready to pull it out at the first sign of trouble. They’re the ones that get people or themselves killed.

Well I'll take your word for it that this is all safety related and you don't just like things that go boom

Lmao.

You really didn't need to tell us you don't have a gun, your post shows it.

Go out into the woods with some friends and mag dump an AK or AR, you'll burn up 1k rounds in a day.

Sure bro, just don't be talking to me 'bout no ammo shortages when y'all just out there camping and shooting bottles for the hell of it on the regular

 

[QuantumZebra]

LOL no, but travelling to the rural USA, seeing the nature and meeting the people is definitely on my bucket list. Only been to NYC so far, so want to see the other side.

Well I'll take your word for it that this is all safety related and you don't just like things that go boom


Sure bro, just don't be talking to me 'bout no ammo shortages when y'all just out there camping and shooting bottles for the hell of it on the regular

Lol, fair enough.

I run mainly AKs and combloc stuff - ammo is still cheap and plentiful.

I feel bad for the guys who only have the American calibers (5.56, .45, and .300blk) ... shit was $1 a round until recently.

 

[EverythingsOverrated]

I've actually been thinking about getting a crossbow. Someone I know just bought a chunk of property and we were talking about getting some archery going on.

Anyone have recommendations for a lower tier crossbow that isn't a complete POS?

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Oh lovely, imports of Russian-made ammo are now sanctioned for a year. I guess too many people own AK platforms.

I thought you Commies were supposed to love your preferred method of subversion.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

I've actually been thinking about getting a crossbow. Someone I know just bought a chunk of property and we were talking about getting some archery going on.

Anyone have recommendations for a lower tier crossbow that isn't a complete POS?

Have you seen this guy? He makes them and reviews them and is quite a funny personality.

 

[keraj37]

....you never carry a single action on a loaded chamber.

You are 100% correct, and Remington 1858's have notches cut into the rear of the cylinder between each nipple for the express purpose of safely resting the hammer with a fully loaded cylinder.

All that being said, for the love of God don't carry a cap & ball revolver unless you're going inna woods to hunt during muzzleloading season, and you want a capable sidearm. Modern Pietta replicas are every bit as deadly as the originals, and every bit as finicky and unreliable. You are not Wyatt Earp, get a modern self-defense pistol for everyday carrying.

Also, if you're going to cast your own lead do it outside with plenty of ventilation. Lead fumes are no joke.

Okay, let me explain - I know you can accidentally push the hammer and fire, the thing is, not many know, and I wanted to say this, Colt SA has a safety pin which blocks hammer, yeah, you need to unlock manually, but still in that case it will never go fire.
So, it is a bit irritating to hear that every time I say I don't mind 6 full chambers.

In case of Remington 1857, different story.

Sidenote: I have both 1857 and Colt SA, and maybe Colt is more modern, I prefere more capacity of remington and for some reason I always shoot more accurate with remingtons - even if they have just same lenght of barrel.

 

[Dream-Knife]

Okay, let me explain - I know you can accidentally push the hammer and fire, the thing is, not many know, and I wanted to say this, Colt SA has a safety pin which blocks hammer, yeah, you need to unlock manually, but still in that case it will never go fire.
So, it is a bit irritating to hear that every time I say I don't mind 6 full chambers.

In case of Remington 1857, different story.

Sidenote: I have both 1857 and Colt SA, and maybe Colt is more modern, I prefere more capacity of remington and for some reason I always shoot more accurate with remingtons - even if they have just same lenght of barrel.

Modern reproductions, yes.

Why would anyone carry a reconstruction era single action revolver in 2021? It's borderline irresponsible. A firearm is a tool to defend yourself, not larp as the lone ranger.