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"Facts" about Marijuana, according to my friend
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Yes, I agree -- we should be consistent. The problem is, what is the right solution to impose across the board? Banning pot, cigarettes, booze, even McDonald's solves the hypocrisy issue just as cleanly as letting people do what they want. I'm simply pointing out that we've never been able to have a meaningful debate about it in this country because of the utterly busted "war on drugs" and a lot of demonizing rhetoric.Amir0x said:
Ninja Scooter said:
Amen to that :lol
-Jinx- said:
Yeah it's pretty controversial, banning alcohol/cigarettes isn't gonna happen any time soon, neither is making weed legal. I think if alcohol/cigarettes were only recently discovered they probably WOULD have been illegal, but it's waaaay too late to ban them now since they've become such a big part of society.
I don't see how smoking weed can be any less cancer causing than smoking tobacco. They're both dried up burning plant that you inhale.
On the scale of badness, I say cigarettes ~ marijuana.
Legally, I think they should be treated roughly the same.
I think people should generally be allowed to do what they want, as long as they keep it out of my face -- IE no smoking of either kind in public places; but what you do at home is your business not mine.
On the scale of badness, I say cigarettes ~ marijuana.
Legally, I think they should be treated roughly the same.
I think people should generally be allowed to do what they want, as long as they keep it out of my face -- IE no smoking of either kind in public places; but what you do at home is your business not mine.
aaaaa0 said:
Weed IS cancer causing when smoked, i think moreso than tobacco, the thing is most people smoke weed only occasionally because it's not practical to be high all the time, and also because it's not as insanely addictive as nicotine. Not to mention the stuff is damn expensive if you don't grow your own. Smoking isn't the only way to use weed either...
boredJonathan
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-jinx- said:
Agreed. Social taboos in general keep meaningfull things from being discussed. The unfortunate thing about this particular topic though is, like you said, that there are no studies being done on weed in general. Ever scientific study that you hear of has a negative slant on it, instead of a more open approach.
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B-B-Bomba!
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Agree with Cool - right or wrong, your friend is a loser. Shift perspective onto quality. For what it's worth I recommend smoking weed, but I wouldn't recommend doing anything in tandem with that guy.
Like anything, drugs are all about who you're sharing them with. Your friend just wants to drink your soul.
Like anything, drugs are all about who you're sharing them with. Your friend just wants to drink your soul.
Weed saves Christmas!!
I don't have much to say on the subject that hasn't been said already so I'll just say: I have never gotten high ans puked, became a stumbling incoherrent mess, or in a fight with a friend. I've seen all three with alcohol.
God made pot, man made beer, who do you trust? So spark up and enjoy
I don't have much to say on the subject that hasn't been said already so I'll just say: I have never gotten high ans puked, became a stumbling incoherrent mess, or in a fight with a friend. I've seen all three with alcohol.
God made pot, man made beer, who do you trust? So spark up and enjoy
Huh, I thought the Reefer Madness type demonisation of pot died out a few decades ago.
Only in America I guess.
I don't do any drgus but I'm of the opinion that weed should be turned into an industry like tobacco (severe restrictions on advertisement, also tobacco companies SHOULD NOT be in any way associated with pot companies and vice versa.) You should be able to buy joints at the corner store so that 1)the police can use their resources to go after the DANGEROUS drugs heroin, coke, ecstacy 2) damn potheads can start paying tax and take a bit of the burden off me 3) tax revenue used for healthcare, studying the effects of pot and funding anti-pot ad campaigns (just like what happens with cigs).
Then again it might be a Canadian view on things.
Only in America I guess.
I don't do any drgus but I'm of the opinion that weed should be turned into an industry like tobacco (severe restrictions on advertisement, also tobacco companies SHOULD NOT be in any way associated with pot companies and vice versa.) You should be able to buy joints at the corner store so that 1)the police can use their resources to go after the DANGEROUS drugs heroin, coke, ecstacy 2) damn potheads can start paying tax and take a bit of the burden off me 3) tax revenue used for healthcare, studying the effects of pot and funding anti-pot ad campaigns (just like what happens with cigs).
Then again it might be a Canadian view on things.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
When I get home, I'm rolling up some blueberry Yum Yum for my long road trip this afternoon.
Zelda-Bitch
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DaCocoBrova said:
:lol
iced lightning
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Cool said:
Yeah, because everyone that smokes weed turns out to be just like that guy. Way to look smart, buddy.
Sriram said:
iced lightning said:
Fine, just for you, I'll try to justify my reasons.
When you live in rural Central Pennsylvania and you go to high school with a bunch of redneck morons who only talk about GETTIN' STONED and GETTIN' DRUNK all day long and have the IQ's of about half my shoe size, you suddenly find yourself not wanting to take part in the same activities as these fuckheads do.
BUT I'M SORRY ICEDLIGHTNING, I FORGOT IT'S FOR COOL PPLZ TOO.
PS: AND DAMMIT! DON'T CALL ME BUDDY!
Cool said:
I live in Northeastern PA. I used to go to High School in NE PA. There are dumb weed smokers and smart weed smokers. Similarly, there are successful weed smokers and unsuccessful weed smokers. I myself smoked weed until this very year when I finally quit. I smoked weed thousands upon thousands of times: Up to 6 times a day at one point. During this period I also maintained an 3.5GPA and I managed to get a 1360 on my SAT. Similarly, I went to college and graduated from college with a 3.8GPA all the while smoking weed more than three times a day.
My point?
Don't make generalizations. Weed is bad for your health, it's true, but to make some vast sweeping statement about what marijuana does to your brain is hilarious. It does not burn brain cells; that is a proven myth. It does not force you to lack motivation; that is a proven myth. It does, however, hurt your lungs. And it ain't going to help dumb people become any smarter.
Teflar said:
That's not the point, I just never really liked anything that went along with the culture of people who use marijuana. I mean, yes, I know some people who smoke weed that are generally tolerable people. But it's people who wear tye-dyed Pink Floyd shirts and have never even heard any of their albums, the people who think Marley is a god when every song of his sounded the same, the rednecks who won't shut up about it and think they're little bad asses, the jockos that talk about doing it and know their life will be shit if their mommies and daddies find out because they won't pay for their brand new 2004 car they just bought them anymore if they get caught.
This is just my opinion on the issue. For every person with half a brain that does smoke pot there's probably 25 idiots who do as well.
Nerevar said:
So? I take Zoloft. The reasons why it increases suicide risk is because these drugs are prescribed for people who are either too young to take them or misdiagnosed. Get your own facts straight, first. God, you potheads will try and justify it against anything just because you don't want to perceive it as "being as bad" as something like alcohol. Wow! Some alcohol has proven benefits to lower cholesterol! Let's all go get drunk! I know there's got to be some sort of fallacy for that kind of thinking.
OR!
We could just be tired of a substance that is no more harmful then many other legal drugs being demonized by people who do not know anything about it other then "I know a kid who smoked and he's a moron!"
I will justify myself because it is something that a lot of people have strong opinions about even while being fairly uneducated in the matter. Despite what you want to believe there have been studies done as to the harmful effects of marijuana and it has been found to be less harmful then originally thought. If you do not want to smoke, feel free not to. However, do not call me a moron simply because I choose to relax in a different manner then you do.
We could just be tired of a substance that is no more harmful then many other legal drugs being demonized by people who do not know anything about it other then "I know a kid who smoked and he's a moron!"
I will justify myself because it is something that a lot of people have strong opinions about even while being fairly uneducated in the matter. Despite what you want to believe there have been studies done as to the harmful effects of marijuana and it has been found to be less harmful then originally thought. If you do not want to smoke, feel free not to. However, do not call me a moron simply because I choose to relax in a different manner then you do.
Belfast said:
Nice job. Read my post, moron. Not once do I justify smoking pot. And furthermore, you sidestep the fact that my point about antidepressents is valid by saying it only happens in cases where the drug is "prescribed incorrectly." Does that negate the fact that it still increases the risk of suicide in some patients? The point of my post is to merely point out the inherent hypocrisy in our acceptance of some mind-altering substances and the rejection of others. You yourself willingly admit you take something, but you demonize people who recreationally take another? I try and avoid taking advice from hypocrites, so I'll try and ignore you from now on.
BobbyRobby
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I'd rather hang out with a pothead over a judgemental fool any day of the week.
The Journals report, citing a study by the Food and Drug Administration, said that from Vioxxs approval in 1999 through 2003, an estimated 27,785 heart attacks and sudden cardiac deaths would have been avoided if Celebrex, a competing drug made by Pfizer Inc., had been used instead of Vioxx.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6192603/
Vioxx was known to increase the risk of heart attack as far back as the year 2000, however, the dangers were ignored, according to a report in The Lancet.
http://www.healthtalk.ca/vioxx_danger_11052004_0923.php
Marijuana damages your lungs, Vioxx, a prescription drug, was known for years to cause heart attacks and ultimately lead to death.
This entire thread is pointless banter about someone who knows someone who is an idiot, who also happens to toke up. There are MUCH worse PRESCRIPTION DRUGS on the market right now, approved by the government. There is no reason for marijuana to be illegal other than the fact that the government wouldn't make any cash if it was legal. End of story.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6192603/
Vioxx was known to increase the risk of heart attack as far back as the year 2000, however, the dangers were ignored, according to a report in The Lancet.
http://www.healthtalk.ca/vioxx_danger_11052004_0923.php
Marijuana damages your lungs, Vioxx, a prescription drug, was known for years to cause heart attacks and ultimately lead to death.
This entire thread is pointless banter about someone who knows someone who is an idiot, who also happens to toke up. There are MUCH worse PRESCRIPTION DRUGS on the market right now, approved by the government. There is no reason for marijuana to be illegal other than the fact that the government wouldn't make any cash if it was legal. End of story.
Santo said:
Mistakes occur. How a drug reacts in your body is a complicated process, and the drug companies try their best to figure them out (it usually takes 20 years before a potential drug is discovered till it is out in the market, and 1 out of every MILLION drugs tested gets through to the public). And sometimes a drug will harm you is better than the disease that kills you (anti-cancer drugs, for example)
SlickWilly223
Time ta STEP IT UP
Takuan said:
Sweet, the boys and I are investing in getting one for Christmas. Just need someone's Credit Card to buy it...
With that said, I don't care what anyone has to say about weed, especially in this thread. It's good stuff, and it's made for some good times. What's not to like?
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Meh, I would say there is some downsides as a long term smoker. they are more personal downsides i think though
1. As I get a bit older, I'm a bit more prone to paranoia when stoned.
2. It makes me kind of antisocial to non stoned people.
Medical downside is the obvious bad for your lungs, as for addictiveness component, Physically there is definately none.
I've smoked it for about seven years, but have gone through patches of smoking it nearly everyday when I started (about age 18, this is not good for studying :\) to giving up for a year - 2 years at a time. mainly to see if I could. Now I would smoke it an average of 1 time a fortnight. Mainly to put me in the HALO ZONE!
I would say that when i first started, I got mentally addicted, but that was more addicted to the scene and all my friends were doing it/ there was nothing else to do, plus it was exciting. Now that the novelty has worn off, I don't have a problem going without at all.
1. As I get a bit older, I'm a bit more prone to paranoia when stoned.
2. It makes me kind of antisocial to non stoned people.
Medical downside is the obvious bad for your lungs, as for addictiveness component, Physically there is definately none.
I've smoked it for about seven years, but have gone through patches of smoking it nearly everyday when I started (about age 18, this is not good for studying :\) to giving up for a year - 2 years at a time. mainly to see if I could. Now I would smoke it an average of 1 time a fortnight. Mainly to put me in the HALO ZONE!
I would say that when i first started, I got mentally addicted, but that was more addicted to the scene and all my friends were doing it/ there was nothing else to do, plus it was exciting. Now that the novelty has worn off, I don't have a problem going without at all.
LakeEarth said:
I know, dude. That's why I included the second article:
Matthias Egger, the study's co-author said Vioxx should have been pulled off the market by Merck several years earlier, but instead they continued to market the safety of rofecoxib (Vioxx)."
The point IS that the gov't and FDA knew it was dangerous but didn't take it off. The reason they didn't take it off because they had too much pressure (aka hush money) to not make a big deal about it.
iced lightning
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Montel Williams dedicated a whole show to medical marijuana and it's very moving and enlightening for those not in "the know." You can check it out at the links provided below.
Real Media
Quicktime
Here are a few more interesting links. The first is a complete book on the history, myths and pretty much everything else regarding marijuana, while the latter three are self-explanatory. I included some blurbs for the lazy surfers out there.
The Emperor Wears No Clothes
http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html
Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn't Damage Brain
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80972.htm
Lester Grinspoon, MD, a retired Harvard Medical School psychiatrist who studied medicinal marijuana use since the 1960s and wrote two books on the topic, says that while Grant's finding provides more evidence on its safety, "it's nothing that those of us who have been studying this haven't known for a very long time.
"Marijuana is a remarkably safe and non-toxic drug that can effectively treat about 30 different conditions," he tells WebMD. "I predict it will become the aspirin of the 21st century, as more people recognize this."
Marijuana Unlikely to Cause Head, Neck, or Lung Cancer
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309.htm
"Daily marijuana use for a month or more was not associated with increased risk, nor was age at first use, depth of inhalation, or use of a pipe." Surprisingly, using marijuana was not associated with increased cancer risk, even among those who never used tobacco, he says.
Medical Marijuana Slowly Gains Ground
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/73/81986.htm
"In our clinical trial we really didn't see any detriment to the immune system from smoking cannabis. Basically we saw no perturbation of HIV viral load, no detriment to the immune system, and no significant interaction with anti-HIV drugs."
Real Media
Quicktime
Here are a few more interesting links. The first is a complete book on the history, myths and pretty much everything else regarding marijuana, while the latter three are self-explanatory. I included some blurbs for the lazy surfers out there.
The Emperor Wears No Clothes
http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html
Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn't Damage Brain
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80972.htm
Lester Grinspoon, MD, a retired Harvard Medical School psychiatrist who studied medicinal marijuana use since the 1960s and wrote two books on the topic, says that while Grant's finding provides more evidence on its safety, "it's nothing that those of us who have been studying this haven't known for a very long time.
"Marijuana is a remarkably safe and non-toxic drug that can effectively treat about 30 different conditions," he tells WebMD. "I predict it will become the aspirin of the 21st century, as more people recognize this."
Marijuana Unlikely to Cause Head, Neck, or Lung Cancer
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309.htm
"Daily marijuana use for a month or more was not associated with increased risk, nor was age at first use, depth of inhalation, or use of a pipe." Surprisingly, using marijuana was not associated with increased cancer risk, even among those who never used tobacco, he says.
Medical Marijuana Slowly Gains Ground
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/73/81986.htm
"In our clinical trial we really didn't see any detriment to the immune system from smoking cannabis. Basically we saw no perturbation of HIV viral load, no detriment to the immune system, and no significant interaction with anti-HIV drugs."
Warm Machine
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The things I can't stand about weed...
At 7:30am having it waft down the the street or out of someone else's apartment. Man, I can't stomach a beer until near 4:00pm
The pot "lifestyle" with the alien posters, neon hemp signs, designer bongs and other shit.
The government is evil for not letting anyone grow it because they know it'll fuck up the paper industry and all I want to do is make hats out of it argument. In reality Hemp itself has almost no THC and is not illegal in most places in the world so go ahead and grow a few hundred acres and make your fucking hats...oh, you really just wanted to smoke it.
At 7:30am having it waft down the the street or out of someone else's apartment. Man, I can't stomach a beer until near 4:00pm
The pot "lifestyle" with the alien posters, neon hemp signs, designer bongs and other shit.
The government is evil for not letting anyone grow it because they know it'll fuck up the paper industry and all I want to do is make hats out of it argument. In reality Hemp itself has almost no THC and is not illegal in most places in the world so go ahead and grow a few hundred acres and make your fucking hats...oh, you really just wanted to smoke it.
LakeEarth said:
That's a point, but is not an effect of the drug, it's the effect of burning plant matter in your lungs. Using a vaporizer, or eating it, nullifies that effect.
Also, if you happen to use a bong, or any pipe where the smoke goes through water, the 'burning' part is eased off a bit too, just the nasty carbon from the plant matter.
..... Wanna get high?
B-B-Bomba!
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This is a cultural criticism and has nothing at all to do with the substance itself. Again, slang idiots all you want, but bear in mind how much of this idiocy stems from the drugs very illegality.
Edit: Also, you're wrong about Bob! Which is an 'IMO' if ever there was one, but still worth pointing out
I like weed as much as anyone else, but the fact remains that the drug still needs to be researched more thoroughly. I think it's irresponsible for anyone to say it causes no brain damage for sure. Especially with studies like this one: http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/18/14/5322
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
I love these drug arguements. Personally I dont care what anyone says, I will stick with my own judgement and say that all drugs are bad. I'll just stick with alcohol thank you
Littleberu
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psycho_snake said:I love these drug arguements. Personally I dont care what anyone says, I will stick with my own judgement and say that all drugs are bad. I'll just stick with alcohol thank you
Your liver is crying.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
I drink very rarely so i doubt my liver is damaged too much...or atleast I hopeLittleberu said:
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