Captain Toad
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Famitsu Sales: Week 25 (06/14/21 – 06/20/21)
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Bernd Lauert
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I've seen it several times on Resetera. Here's an example.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-17-2021-apr-26-may-02.423470/page-7
Speculation was big in that thread because Returnal only sold 6k copies in its release week (and only sold half of the stock that was available on the shelves).
Derift
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i personally think the scalping situation is overblown... dont they use a lottery system in japan? i highly doubt that the majority of ps5s are being scalped.... i remmember also hearing that PS+ has had alot of new subs with the release of PS5 so that would also go to show that these systems are actually going to people and not just being stored in peoples storage units....
Captain Toad
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So some random person on the Internet had a quick theory with absolutely zero evidence to support it, but we bump it up to a "serious rumor" status?
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
Software sales are low because there aren't many games catering to the Japanese crowd. Cannibalizing Japan Studio and the whole X/O-button fiasco certainly didn't help either.
Bernd Lauert
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My first post about this literally starts with "there's also a theory".
Captain Toad
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It's a dumb theory. Why would people be paying to ship PS5s overseas when PS5 is sold out everywhere and in high demand already?
But, with that logic, you can say "there's a theory" with any argument you want.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Maybe they pay more overseas, who knows. People are just looking for reasons why software sales are bad.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
So far, RE8 is the only game that has a not absolutely horrible attach rate on the PS5 with around 10%. So you're kinda right (Japan loves Resi Evil).
Captain Toad
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How would there being MORE PS5s in Japan explain lower software sales there?
I get the feeling you just like looking for reasons for express "concern" for PS5 software sales.
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Bernd Lauert
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The theory is that people buy PS5s in Japan and sell them to the mainland.
Derift
Member
i think its pretty obvious there just aren't any games that interest the Japanese yet...i dont think they care much for spiderman or ratchet and clank maybe demon souls but even in japan thats a niche title... im pretty certain they are just playing there ps4 games on ps5 like most of us
reinking
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I would have been surprised if Returnal did sell well. It had a high price and it is not the type of game with mass appeal.
Certainly is perplexing to me, especially since Japan has always had hardware driven by software
early ps4/ps3 multiplats favored ps3, but weren't the incredibly poor ratios the ps5 has been to the ps4. yakuza inshin opened like 60 to 40 ps3/ps4, re 8 by comparison was like 75 to 25 ps4 to ps5 despite the ps5 appearing stronger and ps4 weaker
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
That makes no sense to me..
Woopah
Member
That's what I thought too, but then even RE Village didn't do hot on PS5. Though maybe that's because the RE brand is on decline in Japan due to the first person camera.
smbu2000
Member
Well I got my Xbox Series X direct from the MS JP store (online), but I pre-ordered right when they opened up pre-orders there and got mine on launch day.
My friend said he saw some for sale on Amazon jp awhile back and debated picking one up but they sold out fairly quickly. I guess they randomly get stock?
I got a PS5 via lottery from my local GEO. They usually announce when they will allow entries for pre-orders (1-2 weeks) and then they choose over the following few weeks. I think I entered at the end of Dec. and then they called me and let me know that I won near the end of Jan. I had chosen in store purchase and the store I chose (close to my place) had it available for me when I went in.
Not sure if that would qualify as now.
To get one Now Now you’d probably have to get it through a reseller and pay more.
Derift
Member
There's alot more ps4s in the wild to ps5s so I would expect it
Derift
Member
What doesn't make sense? We are all pretty much playing ps4 games on our ps5s and the games we are playing aren't really appealing to the Japanese Market... its not hard to comprehend that people could really just be playing ps5 games on there ps5s
a multicultural team of v
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Why are there massive lines at stores and insane lotteries, and why is every single console sold immediately, if they are just playing PS4 games? Why are people going out of their minds to get a console to play games that the console that they already own can play?
I'm not saying that there are PS5 games that justify this demand either necessarily (which is what is so strange about PS5 console demand to be worldwide honestly), but I really don't think PS4 games only can explain the demand. This is also why I also don't buy the arguments that people are purchasing it as a UHD player or anything else - again, this demand makes no sense for those purposes.
I would love to read the internal Sony consumer research to understand who is buying PS5s, and why. I remember early on in the PS4 life they talked about the huge demand and revealed that a significant portion of PS4 owners owned either a Wii/360 only, and even a large number owned no console at all from that gen. I wonder if there are some similar unexpected trends going on that would help explain the sales.
Woopah
Member
There were a lot more PS3s than PS4s when the latter launched, but we still saw decent PS4 software sales for cross gen titles.
Digital isn't on these charts but that doesn't explain PS5 software sales.
Kerotan
Member
Scalpers don't lock ps5's up in storage they sell them onto consumers who then buy and use them.
Amin_Parker
Member
Congratulations Nintendo on your Flawless Victory in the software chart as well as the hardware positioning chart.
Magnific0giganticus
Banned
Japan died.
R.I.P.
R.I.P.
Mozza
Member
The whole scalping situation is overblown everywhere.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Really? Why would I buy a PS5 now, without any games? Just to tell everybody I have one??
Makes no sense to me, but if it does to you I totally respect that..
Woopah
Member
Its the 2nd biggest market for dedicated video game devices and growing YoY. Its not dead at all.
Cherry Sonoshee
Banned
I'm hearing Scarlet Nexus bombed.
Thank god.
Thank god.
With Scarlet Nexus debut below 30K we can revisit the expectations for their year and revise them further down.
Just revising my post from earlier in the year
Bandai Namco Top Games 2021:
Looking like Scarlet Nexus fails to surpass 50K for the year;
Tales of Arise declines to 150K(optimistically) for the year
The late port of Kakarot manages to surpass 100K(optimistically)
Idolmaster ends up around 50K
We'd be looking at sales below 800K and that's being fairly optimistic that Little Nightmares II across the Switch and PS4 surpasses 150K, Taiko & Fishing Spirits both surpassing 100K for the year, Family Trainer also doing twice it's current total to reach 75K.
As mentioned in the earlier thread, Harada is very likely to be the person that the board blame for their currently decline in Japan, especially if Tales of Arise fails to meet internal expectations. Scarlet Nexus wasn't a small game with little investment it had several key figures within Bandai involved with the project, so it bombing in Japan and not doing much better in the West will definitely start the internal re-evaluation of the strategy they've undertaken in the past few years.
The problem for Bandai is even if they completely flip their current path, it will take at least two years before we start to see the results and late ports are no longer doing the numbers they were doing a few years back when most Publishers in Japan weren't fully on-board with the Switch.
The silver-lining for them is that they've at least made Steam part of their strategy, there are not that many AAA games launching in 2021 - so perhaps the West will offset the decline we are likely to see for Tales in Japan. Early signs for Scarlet Nexus on Steam aren't good and it also didn't have a strong launch in the UK where it debuted in 8th below the Switch version of Minecraft which likely means less than 5K physical sales.
Just revising my post from earlier in the year
Bandai Namco Top Games 2021:
- [NSW] Little Nightmares II - 72.796
- [NSW] Fishing Spirits - 44.958
- [NSW] Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! - 42.507
- [NSW] Family Trainer - 35.273
- [PS4] Little Nightmares II - 24.968
Looking like Scarlet Nexus fails to surpass 50K for the year;
Tales of Arise declines to 150K(optimistically) for the year
The late port of Kakarot manages to surpass 100K(optimistically)
Idolmaster ends up around 50K
We'd be looking at sales below 800K and that's being fairly optimistic that Little Nightmares II across the Switch and PS4 surpasses 150K, Taiko & Fishing Spirits both surpassing 100K for the year, Family Trainer also doing twice it's current total to reach 75K.
As mentioned in the earlier thread, Harada is very likely to be the person that the board blame for their currently decline in Japan, especially if Tales of Arise fails to meet internal expectations. Scarlet Nexus wasn't a small game with little investment it had several key figures within Bandai involved with the project, so it bombing in Japan and not doing much better in the West will definitely start the internal re-evaluation of the strategy they've undertaken in the past few years.
The problem for Bandai is even if they completely flip their current path, it will take at least two years before we start to see the results and late ports are no longer doing the numbers they were doing a few years back when most Publishers in Japan weren't fully on-board with the Switch.
The silver-lining for them is that they've at least made Steam part of their strategy, there are not that many AAA games launching in 2021 - so perhaps the West will offset the decline we are likely to see for Tales in Japan. Early signs for Scarlet Nexus on Steam aren't good and it also didn't have a strong launch in the UK where it debuted in 8th below the Switch version of Minecraft which likely means less than 5K physical sales.
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