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[3N16MA]

Natural reaction. Pedo can't take a punch and died. Most likely his pedo brain was soft and anything harder than a child's slap would have killed him.

 

[HammerOfThor]

My reaction to the article and everyone trying to stick up for the man who go killed.

I'd do the same thing.

 

[les papillons sexuels]

Pretty sure killing a rapist during the act would be considered self defense or defense of another person.

self, or in this case third party, defense turns into manslaughter the moment the attacker is no long able to act.

"When evidence is presented showing the defendant’s subjective belief that the use of force was necessary to prevent imminent death or serious bodily harm, the defendant is entitled to a proper instruction on imperfect self defense....The theory underlying the doctrine is that when a defendant uses deadly force with an honest but unreasonable belief that it is necessary to defend himself, the element of malice, necessary for a murder conviction, is lacking."

While I think the father is in his full athority to protect his child, I also feel that he went to far in killing the predator. I can however sympathize with those who might disagree with my position.

 

[Fox318]

A man is dead. DEAD.

That was no man.

That was a monster.

 

[gutter_trash]

pedo deserved to die.
-a 4 year old girl... 4 year old!
-inside the family home! violated the father's trust
-caught in the act raping a 4 year old inside the girl's family home.

Defense of family legitimate

 

[Apocryphon]

Killing is what man does best. It's hard-wired into us; doesn't matter what we learn or how we're conditioned. Under the right circumstances anybody could be driven to kill another human being. In this case the father was obviously driven into a blind rage and couldn't stop himself hitting the guy. Sucks that he has to deal with taking a life but the abuser deserved what he got. As far as I'm concerned, all paedos and rapists should be beaten to death.

 

[Zeth]

Allegedly the molester PICKED the girl up and carried her away the moment the father left the area. The boy heard his sister screaming for Dad and ran to tell the family. Props to the brother. He deserves as much credit as the father if not more.

 

[J2d]

I don't blame the dad but I just feel like the whole thing is sad.

what do you want him to do? pull out a cell and dial 911 when a crime is in progress?

Maybe not kill him? There's a couple options between taking someones life and getting on the telephone.

 

[Slayven]

I don't blame the dad but I just feel like the whole thing is sad.
Maybe not kill him? There's a couple options between taking someones life and getting on the telephone.

Don't do shit that causes people to beat you in the head?

 

[J2d]

Don't do shit that causes people to beat you in the head?

And here I thought things were complicated.

 

[Verelios]

Don't do shit that causes people to beat you in the head?

Seriously. It's ridiculous to expect someone to be calm and rational when a loved one is being violated right before their eyes; this applies even more to a father seeing his 4 year old daughter being raped in his own house.

The guy got what was (most likely) a highly probably end. He took the chance and he paid the price- that's it.

 

[theignoramus]

dude's probably better off dead than in an American prison charged with child molestation.

 

[Forceatowulf]

Man oh fucking man... some of the people in here are either A. Robots or B. Have never had a deep emotional connection with a child

I don't have kids of my own, but I did work at a Day Care Center for 2 years. The ages ranged from 4 months to 12 years. let me tell you people who have remorse for that piece of human garbage, you have no idea, none what so ever, how precious and beloved a child can be in the eyes of people who care for them. You will do anything and everything to protect them. It's a natural human instinct and one of the best traits human beings have.

If I were in this situation I don't know what I would do. And I'm not about to hypothesize what I would do in some fantasy scenario. All I can say is that the father reacted in his instincts to protect something dear and precious to him, something that cannot protect it's self. I'm not going to begrudge him for that. I'm also not going to pretend like the loss of the predators life was this unfortunate occurrence worthy of even an ounce of my sympathy. Because as far as I'm concerned he isn't.

And anyone who thinks the father should get time for this is being ridiculous. This man is not a danger to anyone who isn't trying to rape his 4 year old daughter. There is no need for any type of rehabilitation. For god sakes, that girl just went through a horrible moment in her life and the last thing she needs is to have her father being ripped away from her for doing what he felt needed to be done.

 

[A Link to the Past]

What he did was most likely out of anger, not actually in "defense."

You don't need to beat someone to death to stop a rape from ocurring.

IMO, it's revenge. IMO it's justified revenge.. technically under the law? There is no such thing.. hence why despite this probably fairly easily fitting a manslaughter charge, the DA will be subjective and decide not to press charges.

I know that this is an early reply, and it may have been invalidated already, but this is annoying.

If someone was raping my niece, fucker'd be dead. I wouldn't give him a chance to react. A person who rapes a child is considered one of the biggest piles of scum. Convicted, he goes to jail, and could very easily be killed there. So hey, I guess he decides to threaten to hurt her if I call the cops or come at him. It has nothing to do with revenge and everything to do with "get him the fuck off her as quickly as humanly possible". So I tackle him. His natural reaction would be to fight back, so I try to incapacitate him.

It's justifiable self defense. If he was beating the shit out of my niece, justifiable self defense allows me to go after him in such a way that he is adequately incapacitated. When you have a four-year-old being molested, it's even more justifiable because she has no way of fighting him off.

Ask yourself how easy it is to criticize someone protecting his daughter from being raped when you're basking in the glow of your monitor.

Christ, the people in this thread are almost as bad as "shoot to wound!".

 

[A Link to the Past]

self, or in this case third party, defense turns into manslaughter the moment the attacker is no long able to act.

"When evidence is presented showing the defendant’s subjective belief that the use of force was necessary to prevent imminent death or serious bodily harm, the defendant is entitled to a proper instruction on imperfect self defense....The theory underlying the doctrine is that when a defendant uses deadly force with an honest but unreasonable belief that it is necessary to defend himself, the element of malice, necessary for a murder conviction, is lacking."

While I think the father is in his full athority to protect his child, I also feel that he went to far in killing the predator. I can however sympathize with those who might disagree with my position.

From what we've heard, he did not take unnecessary lengths to incapacitate him. Punching someone out is not necessarily "deadly force". He was also reasonable in believing that he needed to incapacitate the man.

 

[Volimar]

People making a lot of assumptions in this thread.

 

[tapedeck]

Man oh fucking man... some of the people in here are either A. Robots or B. Have never had a deep emotional connection with a child

I don't have kids of my own, but I did work at a Day Care Center for 2 years. The ages ranged from 4 months to 12 years. let me tell you people who have remorse for that piece of human garbage, you have no idea, none what so ever, how precious and beloved a child can be in the eyes of people who care for them. You will do anything and everything to protect them. It's a natural human instinct and one of the best traits human beings have.

If I were in this situation I don't know what I would do. And I'm not about to hypothesize what I would do in some fantasy scenario. All I can say is that the father reacted in his instincts to protect something dear and precious to him, something that cannot protect it's self. I'm not going to begrudge him for that. I'm also not going to pretend like the loss of the predators life was this unfortunate occurrence worthy of even an ounce of my sympathy. Because as far as I'm concerned he isn't.

And anyone who thinks the father should get time for this is being ridiculous. This man is not a danger to anyone who isn't trying to rape his 4 year old daughter. There is no need for any type of rehabilitation. For god sakes, that girl just went through a horrible moment in her life and the last thing she needs is to have her father being ripped away from her for doing what he felt needed to be done.

Well said.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

No no no no, that's not what he was talking about, here.



It just UPS the ante. All I'm doing is pointing out that this "it's the HUMAN thing to do" argumentation is going nowhere. There's nothing that's inherently human. Even desire for life is not something every human being shares. It's simply not an argument to say "well this is how every human being reacts!".

If there's no inherent quality of being human, then why should we put every human life on a pedestal? Blurred morality is strange...

 

[LiK]

A man is dead. DEAD.

and rotting in Hell, your point?

 

[Joni]

Maybe not kill him? There's a couple options between taking someones life and getting on the telephone.

Because the guy is going to stop and sit down once you pull him off, and is going to wait friendly for the police?

 

[UFRA]

Because the guy is going to stop and sit down once you pull him off, and is going to wait friendly for the police?

No silly, you punch him and knock him out like in the movies.

 

[Gustav]

Do we have any eyewitness accounts corroborating the sexual assault claims except from the dad?

 

[les papillons sexuels]

From what we've heard, he did not take unnecessary lengths to incapacitate him. Punching someone out is not necessarily "deadly force". He was also reasonable in believing that he needed to incapacitate the man.

I doubt his death was from a single punch personally.

Man oh fucking man... some of the people in here are either A. Robots or B. Have never had a deep emotional connection with a child

I don't have kids of my own, but I did work at a Day Care Center for 2 years. The ages ranged from 4 months to 12 years. let me tell you people who have remorse for that piece of human garbage, you have no idea, none what so ever, how precious and beloved a child can be in the eyes of people who care for them. You will do anything and everything to protect them. It's a natural human instinct and one of the best traits human beings have.

If I were in this situation I don't know what I would do. And I'm not about to hypothesize what I would do in some fantasy scenario. All I can say is that the father reacted in his instincts to protect something dear and precious to him, something that cannot protect it's self. I'm not going to begrudge him for that. I'm also not going to pretend like the loss of the predators life was this unfortunate occurrence worthy of even an ounce of my sympathy. Because as far as I'm concerned he isn't.

And anyone who thinks the father should get time for this is being ridiculous. This man is not a danger to anyone who isn't trying to rape his 4 year old daughter. There is no need for any type of rehabilitation. For god sakes, that girl just went through a horrible moment in her life and the last thing she needs is to have her father being ripped away from her for doing what he felt needed to be done.

I was molested as a child, I don't feel anyone deserves the death pentality, regardless of the action.

 

[Joni]

No silly, you punch him and knock him out like in the movies.

Yeah, and depending on those punches, you can die rather quickly. You can die from a single punch if the fall goes bad. On the other hand, someone on adrenalin can stand up to a couple of punches easily.

Do we have any eyewitness accounts corroborating the sexual assault claims except from the dad?

Medical examination.

 

[dark_chris]

I was molested as a child, I don't feel anyone deserves the death pentality, regardless of the action.

I was too and I wish it on the guy who did it to me.

 

[theignoramus]

Yeah, and depending on those punches, you can die rather quickly. You can die from a single punch if the fall goes bad. On the other hand, someone on adrenalin can stand up to a couple of punches easily.


Medical examination.

wait, the molester was in the act of penetrating the girl when the Dad caught him?

 

[Joni]

wait, the molester was in the act of penetrating the girl when the Dad caught him?

The molester was indeed caught in the act, see bolded part of OP.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

For the next "I JUS WANNA GET TEH FAX" poster who wants to try to act like the father made this up.

The man was pronounced dead on the scene, while the daughter was taken to a local hospital in Victoria, Texas, for examinations before being released.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/11/justice/texas-abuser-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The daughter was examined at a hospital.

I'm sure they performed an examination on the girl who probably was able to tell what happened, and if not the guy's fist-shaped indentations showed he did something.

Edit: My question was answered, she was examined at a hospital. Thanks.

they took the girl to the hospital for examinations right afterward

Emergency crews responding to the father's 911 call found Flores' pants and underwear pulled down on his lifeless body. The girl was examined at a hospital, and Lavaca County District Attorney Heather McMinn said forensic evidence and witness accounts corroborated the father's story that his daughter was being sexually molested.

The medical examination should be proof enough.

Medical examination.

 

[Vestal]

Don't do shit that causes people to beat you in the head?

You don't have a child do you?

Speaking as a father of a 3 year old girl, I can guarantee you that if I was in this mans position I would have totally and completely lost control and pretty much destroyed this man. Any other father would do the same.

Only parents know exactly what this type of thing would mean to them.

No jury in the world would convict this man. No prosecutor in the world would dare charge this man.

 

[spiderman123]

FFs, what the hell is going on in this thread. If you see a man molesting a kid, not even that but your kid, I guarantee that the first thought your not going to have is
"Hey this guy is molesting, let me tap him on the shoulder and ask him to stop."
But rather your going to think, "I'm going to beat the shit out of this *******"
It's not rocket science. The evidence is there that the guy was molesting the kid. Parents (or alteast most ) have a genuine instinct to protect their kid.

 

[Omegasquash]

You don't have a child do you?

Speaking as a father of a 3 year old girl, I can guarantee you that if I was in this mans position I would have totally and completely lost control and pretty much destroyed this man. Any other father would do the same.

Only parents know exactly what this type of thing would mean to them.

No jury in the world would convict this man. No prosecutor in the world would dare charge this man.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. There are still assholes out there. But I'm with you...I have a son just younger, and I can guarantee that my immediate response would be to physically remove the threat to my child without regard for the physical safety or well being of the assailant. I damn sure wouldn't try to kill the assailant, but I wouldn't lose a bit of sleep over it if that were the outcome. I'd lose sleep over the damage that a pervert did to my child.

By all means, child rape defense force, keep up the stalwart work you're doing.

 

[VelvetMouth]

Man oh fucking man... some of the people in here are either A. Robots or B. Have never had a deep emotional connection with a child

I don't have kids of my own, but I did work at a Day Care Center for 2 years. The ages ranged from 4 months to 12 years. let me tell you people who have remorse for that piece of human garbage, you have no idea, none what so ever, how precious and beloved a child can be in the eyes of people who care for them. You will do anything and everything to protect them. It's a natural human instinct and one of the best traits human beings have.

If I were in this situation I don't know what I would do. And I'm not about to hypothesize what I would do in some fantasy scenario. All I can say is that the father reacted in his instincts to protect something dear and precious to him, something that cannot protect it's self. I'm not going to begrudge him for that. I'm also not going to pretend like the loss of the predators life was this unfortunate occurrence worthy of even an ounce of my sympathy. Because as far as I'm concerned he isn't.

And anyone who thinks the father should get time for this is being ridiculous. This man is not a danger to anyone who isn't trying to rape his 4 year old daughter. There is no need for any type of rehabilitation. For god sakes, that girl just went through a horrible moment in her life and the last thing she needs is to have her father being ripped away from her for doing what he felt needed to be done.

Can we add C? Guys who think rape isn't a serious crime. You take a pill or walk it off. I mean there's a poster here actually trying to argue that the little girl is going to be more messed up from seeing her father beat up her rapist than from being raped. He never even mentions her sexual assault he just goes on about how terrible it must be to see your father defend you.

 

[TRios Zen]

When this story first broke I was talking about this with a co-worker and we both knew this guy would not be charged. Not in South Texas. Probably not in Texas at all, but definitely not in South Texas.

Texas gets flack for a lot of stuff, but as a life-long resident, the penal code seems pretty straight-forward to me - don't break the law and you are afforded every human right available. Break the law...

I believe human life is sacred; I do not think that anyone should without thought or provocation take another human's life. But under certain situations, worrying about the "offenders" rights, rather than my own, is more altruistic than I would ever pretend to be.

Therefore I am not surprised that the grand jury decided no charges would be brought against this young father. I do not believe there is anything that he could be charged with, that he would be indicted of here.

 

[eznark]

FFs, what the hell is going on in this thread. If you see a man molesting a kid, not even that but your kid, I guarantee that the first thought your not going to have is
"Hey this guy is molesting, let me tap him on the shoulder and ask him to stop."

 

[alphaNoid]

Do we have any eyewitness accounts corroborating the sexual assault claims except from the dad?

Medical examiners have corroborated his story both for the assault on his daughter and injuries he left on the victim. The medical report is a wrap, there is nothing afoot because the facts support the father.

 

[DR2K]

I'm really wondering why some guys here are trying so hard to sympathize with a child molester. I mean you're not defending the law, since no law was broken. Do some people just want to play devil's advocate so badly that the rights of a child molester need to be upheld?

 

[Az]

I won't bother getting into an argument with the few defending the rapist. Some people just come from different backgrounds and also you never know what the age of a poster is. I have a very close relationship with my niece and nephew and would not blink to hurt a man.
Hope this won't affect the girl too much in the future.

 

[Snkfanatic]

Can we add C? Guys who think rape isn't a serious crime. You take a pill or walk it off. I mean there's a poster here actually trying to argue that the little girl is going to be more messed up from seeing her father beat up her rapist than from being raped. He never even mentions her sexual assault he just goes on about how terrible it must be to see your father defend you.

What...the..fuck....

 

[Omegasquash]

What...the..fuck....

 

[Snkfanatic]

I am still just flat out disgusted by that comment. I need to go back to the happy thread....wow

 

[eznark]

What...the..fuck....

Whoopi Goldberg view of rape.

 

[Monocle]

That was no man.

That was a monster.

Some men are monsters.

Man oh fucking man... some of the people in here are either A. Robots or B. Have never had a deep emotional connection with a child

I don't have kids of my own, but I did work at a Day Care Center for 2 years. The ages ranged from 4 months to 12 years. let me tell you people who have remorse for that piece of human garbage, you have no idea, none what so ever, how precious and beloved a child can be in the eyes of people who care for them. You will do anything and everything to protect them. It's a natural human instinct and one of the best traits human beings have.

If I were in this situation I don't know what I would do. And I'm not about to hypothesize what I would do in some fantasy scenario. All I can say is that the father reacted in his instincts to protect something dear and precious to him, something that cannot protect it's self. I'm not going to begrudge him for that. I'm also not going to pretend like the loss of the predators life was this unfortunate occurrence worthy of even an ounce of my sympathy. Because as far as I'm concerned he isn't.

And anyone who thinks the father should get time for this is being ridiculous. This man is not a danger to anyone who isn't trying to rape his 4 year old daughter. There is no need for any type of rehabilitation. For god sakes, that girl just went through a horrible moment in her life and the last thing she needs is to have her father being ripped away from her for doing what he felt needed to be done.

Seriously, this.

 

[Omegasquash]

I am still just flat out disgusted by that comment. I need to go back to the happy thread....wow

Yep. Pretty sure I vomited when I read it too.

Edit: Not at seeing option C, but at the comment made earlier in the thread where some dude actually said that seeing her father beat the rapist would traumatize (or add to the trauma, thus labeling the father as a capital wanker).

 

[Tunin]

Can we add C? Guys who think rape isn't a serious crime. You take a pill or walk it off. I mean there's a poster here actually trying to argue that the little girl is going to be more messed up from seeing her father beat up her rapist than from being raped. He never even mentions her sexual assault he just goes on about how terrible it must be to see your father defend you.

I'm sorry, there's no discussion here.

The problem is that Rape was the cause of all evil in this situation, the rape situation triggered the father's reaction, so technically if you think that rape is not a serious crime because the guy reacted to his impulses, so isn't murder (from the father's point of view).

There's no excuse, you can't argue that rape isn't a serious crime because it simply is. Child or not, you enter in a very private space and you force the person to do something that is not consensual. Not mentioning the emotional damage, possible neurosis e every other outcome.

And yes, I agree, father of the year.

 

[Az]

I am still just flat out disgusted by that comment. I need to go back to the happy thread....wow

Yep. Pretty sure I vomited when I read it too.

Guys I don't think that's his opinion. It appears some of the rapist defenders in here view it like that.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

You can pretty much see the decline of sensibility and logic in 5 out of 6 opinions in here. Nobody even wants to have a discussion about anything. Highly troubling. I regret stepping foot in this thread, and I strongly advise for anyone who doesn't believe in capital punishment to get the fuck out of here if they value humanity.

See ya in a stupid thread somewhere.

 

[VelvetMouth]

What...the..fuck....

Did you misunderstand or something?

 

[VelvetMouth]

Guys I don't think that's his opinion. It appears some of the rapist defenders in here view it like that.

Thank you. I'm commenting on the posters who are more outraged about a man getting beaten in front of a little girl than a little girl getting raped.

 

[coldfoot]

Guys I don't think that's his opinion. It appears some of the rapist defenders in here view it like that.

Yeah, he's just commenting on how some people think it's more traumatic for the girl to see her daddy kill someone than to get raped. It's not his opinion, hold the crucifixes!

 

[GraveRobberX]

Wait there's a Defense-GAF for this?... Sweet Jesus!

I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, hell I would have beaten him , pummeled him out of existence and eaten his face if that was my child

They would go "bath salts?", "Nope!, dad protecting his kid from a predator"... "I understand!"