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FBI conducted predawn raid of former Trump campaign chairman Manafort’s home

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Lack of a record can be evidence in itself, you realize.

They also keep records so the other crooks they work with can't stiff or try and cheat them. Anyone working with huge amounts of money is going to keep a record of it because the downsides of not keeping said records can be immense.
 

jelly

Member
You would think he would have moved or destroyed anything incriminating long ago but there is also that outside chance he keeps his most life saving rainy day shit hits the fan stuff close to save his own skin and hold others over the coals.
 
Hopefully they got all computers and cell phones. They need to look and see if there are any Gmail drafts or deleted texts.
 

Effigenius

Member
The most impressive thing is that Trump managed not to whine about this on Twitter that whole time.

Or maybe they just didnt tell him.
 
In any other presidency, this would be a major story with 150 pages or more on GAF. But with Trump, major stories like this just feel like a Wednesday.

But make no mistake, Trump and friends are shitting bricks right now.
 

norm9

Member
I look forward to the fake surprise that everyone in Congress and elsewhere will tweet when Manafort is arrested.
 

KoopaTheCasual

Junior Member
You know, I'm cool with leaks coming from the Trump administration (to an extent, no classified data and sensitive info and stuff), because I want that shit to be as nonfunctional as possible. But I can't say I'm happy at the FBI or Mueller's investigation being leaky. I know two weeks is actually pretty good comparatively, but I'd rather that they just be able to do their investigations in peace. Stuff like this just complicates their job.
This.

After this Trump miasma is all said and done, I think then we'll actually have to open the conversation on "leakers" because in a more just Administration, leaks could be very harmful. There's also the argument that it's only this leaky because of Trump, which is certainly highly possible. But lets hope things return to normal, soon afterwards.
 

Ithil

Member
If you ever needed proof that the Trump base of the the_donald and other places are either entirely a legion of bots, or the ones that are not bots are 100% sheep who just repeat whatever talking point they are given en mass, their big defence of this is "it was three weeks ago, if there was anything found we'd have heard about it so there was nothing found".

This is proof that they just repeat the talking point they're given without thought because every one of them is saying "three weeks" specifically.

It was two weeks ago, not three. None of them noticed this.
 

antonz

Member
The fact the FBI raided his residence is a big deal. To get warrants to go in and take stuff means a Judge signed off with probable cause and certainly suggests they did not feel subpoena power was enough to guarantee compliance with demands.

Throw in the National Enquirer suddenly having a sex scandal and you know shits going down
 
The fact the FBI raided his residence is a big deal. To get warrants to go in and take stuff means a Judge signed off with probable cause and certainly suggests they did not feel subpoena power was enough to guarantee compliance with demands.

Throw in the National Enquirer suddenly having a sex scandal and you know shits going down

They woke him up by knocking on his BEDROOM door. That's how serious this was.
 

Joe

Member
Check out this Paul Manafort, Russia, & Trump campaign timeline... It's crazy.

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Late 2004
Russian loyalist, Viktor Yanukovych of the "Party of Regions" political party, wins the Ukrainian presidential election. After serious concerns of fraud and public outcry, a subsequent vote is held - Yanukovych, and the Party of Regions loses.

June 2005
Paul Manafort pitches himself to Russian billionaire and close Vladimir Putin confidante, Oleg Deripaska, with a plan to influence the politics, business dealings, and news coverage inside the USA, Europe, and former Soviet republics that will "greatly benefit" President Putin's government.

Late 2005
Paul Manafort begins executing his plan for Oleg Deripaska and begins receiving $10 million dollars annually from Deripaska.

Early 2006
The Party of Regions hire Paul Manafort.

August 2006
With Paul Manafort's help, Party of Regions wins a number of parliament seats and Viktor Yanukovych becomes Prime Minister.

Sometime in 2007
Party of Regions begins sending under-the-table payments to Paul Manafort.

February 2010
With Paul Manafort as an adviser, Viktor Yanukovych is elected president of Ukraine. Manafort expresses concerns of voter fraud against his client before the election.

Sometime in 2012
Party of Regions under-the-table payments to Paul Manafort end. Nearly $13 million dollars in payments were made.

Sometime in 2012
Paul Manafort and an associate (who would also go on to work for the Trump campaign) help the Party of Regions secretly route over $2 million dollars into a non-profit organization. The money was used to hire Washington lobbyists that would influence US policy. They did not register as foreign agents.

Sometime in 2013
Paul Manafort is millions of dollars in debt to Pro-Russian officials.

February 2014
After nearly 4 months of extreme civil unrest and protests, Viktor Yanukovych, with the help of Vladimir Putin, flees to Russia (where he still lives in exile).

March 2014
Crimea, a Party of Regions stronghold, is annexed by Russia.

September 2014
Paul Manafort is hired by remnants of the Party of Regions to transform the party. Manafort renames the party "Opposition Bloc" with the intent "to gather the largest number of people opposed to the current government, you needed to avoid anything concrete, and just become a symbol of being opposed."

February 29, 2016
Paul Manafort pitches himself to Donald Trump for a position in his campaign.

March 19, 2016
Russian hackers obtain access to John Podesta and DNC email accounts.

March 28, 2016
Paul Manafort is hired by the Donald Trump campaign.

April 2016
Trump campaign contacts with Russian officials begin.

May 9, 2016
Paul Manafort becomes unofficial/co-chairman of Donald Trump's campaign.

June 9, 2016
Paul Manafort, Donald Trump Jr, and Jared Kushner meet officials linked to Russian government after being promised damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

June 17, 2016
Donald Trump declares that there is an impending release of information that will negatively affect Hillary Clinton.

June 20, 2016
Paul Manafort officially becomes Donald Trump's campaign manager.

July 2016
Donald Trump campaign officials intervene at the Republican National Convention to remove a call for arming the Ukrainian army in an effort to fight Russian forces.

July 22, 2016
DNC emails from Russia hack are released on WikiLeaks

July 2016
The FBI opens an investigation into Trump campaign-Russia connections.

Sometime in 2016
US intelligence agencies intercept communications of Russian operatives discussing their efforts and conversations with Paul Manafort who was encouraging help from the Russians.

August 14, 2016
Party of Regions secret ledger is discovered and secret payments to Paul Manafort are revealed.

August 19, 2016
Paul Manafort resigns as Donald Trump's campaign manager.

November 10, 2016
Two days after the US Presidential Election, Russia's top diplomats confirm that they had maintained contacts within Trump's "immediate entourage" during the campaign.

January 10, 2017
The Steele Dossier declares a "well-developed conspiracy" between Russia and the Trump campaign managed by Paul Manafort who was using Carter Page and others as intermediaries.

May 9, 2017
Donald Trump fires FBI Director James Comey.

July 8, 2017
Trump-Campaign/Russia meeting from June 2016 becomes public.

July 25, 2017
Paul Manafort meets with the Senate Intelligence Committee to answer questions and hand over his notes from the June 2016 meeting.

July 26, 2017
The FBI raids Paul Manafort's home.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Check out this Paul Manafort, Russia, & Trump campaign timeline... It's crazy.

---

Late 2004
Russian loyalist, Viktor Yanukovych of the "Party of Regions" political party, wins the Ukrainian presidential election. After serious concerns of fraud and public outcry, a subsequent vote is held - Yanukovych, and the Party of Regions loses.

June 2005
Paul Manafort pitches himself to Russian billionaire and close Vladimir Putin confidante, Oleg Deripaska, with a plan to influence the politics, business dealings, and news coverage inside the USA, Europe, and former Soviet republics that will "greatly benefit" President Putin’s government.

Late 2005
Paul Manafort begins executing his plan for Oleg Deripaska and begins receiving $10 million dollars annually from Deripaska.

Early 2006
The Party of Regions hire Paul Manafort.

August 2006
With Paul Manafort's help, Party of Regions wins a number of parliament seats and Viktor Yanukovych becomes Prime Minister.

Sometime in 2007
Party of Regions begins sending under-the-table payments to Paul Manafort.

February 2010
With Paul Manafort as an adviser, Viktor Yanukovych is elected president of Ukraine. Manafort expresses concerns of voter fraud against his client before the election.

Sometime in 2012
Party of Regions under-the-table payments to Paul Manafort end. Nearly $13 million dollars in payments were made.

Sometime in 2012
Paul Manafort and an associate (who would also go on to work for the Trump campaign) help the Party of Regions secretly route over $2 million dollars into a non-profit organization. The money was used to hire Washington lobbyists that would influence US policy. They did not register as foreign agents.

Sometime in 2013
Paul Manafort is millions of dollars in debt to Pro-Russian officials.

February 2014
After nearly 4 months of extreme civil unrest and protests, Viktor Yanukovych, with the help of Vladimir Putin, flees to Russia (where he still lives in exile).

March 2014
Crimea, a Party of Regions stronghold, is annexed by Russia.

September 2014
Paul Manafort is hired by remnants of the Party of Regions to transform the party. Manafort renames the party "Opposition Bloc" with the intent "to gather the largest number of people opposed to the current government, you needed to avoid anything concrete, and just become a symbol of being opposed."

February 29, 2016
Paul Manafort pitches himself to Donald Trump for a position in his campaign.

March 19, 2016
Russian hackers obtain access to John Podesta and DNC email accounts.

March 28, 2016
Paul Manafort is hired by the Donald Trump campaign.

April 2016
Trump campaign contacts with Russian officials begin.

May 9, 2016
Paul Manafort becomes unofficial/co-chairman of Donald Trump's campaign.

June 9, 2016
Paul Manafort, Donald Trump Jr, and Jared Kushner meet officials linked to Russian government after being promised damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

June 17, 2016
Donald Trump declares that there is an impending release of information that will negatively affect Hillary Clinton.

June 20, 2016
Paul Manafort officially becomes Donald Trump's campaign manager.

July 2016
Donald Trump campaign officials intervene at the Republican National Convention to remove a call for arming the Ukrainian army in an effort to fight Russian forces.

July 22, 2016
DNC emails from Russia hack are released on WikiLeaks

July 2016
The FBI opens an investigation into Trump campaign-Russia connections.

Sometime in 2016
US intelligence agencies intercept communications of Russian operatives discussing their efforts and conversations with Paul Manafort who was encouraging help from the Russians.

August 14, 2016
Party of Regions secret ledger is discovered and secret payments to Paul Manafort are revealed.

August 19, 2016
Paul Manafort resigns as Donald Trump's campaign manager.

November 10, 2016
Two days after the US Presidential Election, Russia's top diplomats confirm that they had maintained contacts within Trump's "immediate entourage" during the campaign.

January 10, 2017
The Steele Dossier declares a "well-developed conspiracy" between Russia and the Trump campaign managed by Paul Manafort who was using Carter Page and others as intermediaries.

May 9, 2017
Donald Trump fires FBI Director James Comey.

July 8, 2017
Trump-Campaign/Russia meeting from June 2016 becomes public.

July 25, 2017
Paul Manafort meets with the Senate Intelligence Committee to answer questions and hand over his notes from the June 2016 meeting.

July 26, 2017
The FBI raids Paul Manafort's home.


Gripping!
 
Thread:

https://twitter.com/senblumenthal/status/895406648163958786

1/ Predawn raid on Manafort's house is stunning- typical of serious criminal investigations dealing w uncooperative or untrusted targets

2/ Fed judge signing warrant would demand persuasive evidence of probable cause that a serious crime has been committed

3/ This kind of raid- in early morning hours w no advance notice- shows astonishing & alarming distrust for Pres’s former campaign chairman

4/ Raid decimates Manafort's claim of cooperation with law enforcement– it reflects evidence connecting Manafort to criminal wrongdoing

5/5 Significant step reaffirms my reasons for urging a Special Counsel&redoubles my determination to protect investigation from interference
 


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Shauni

Member
You know, I'm cool with leaks coming from the Trump administration (to an extent, no classified data and sensitive info and stuff), because I want that shit to be as nonfunctional as possible. But I can't say I'm happy at the FBI or Mueller's investigation being leaky. I know two weeks is actually pretty good comparatively, but I'd rather that they just be able to do their investigations in peace. Stuff like this just complicates their job.

This is very probably a controlled leak
 
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