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FCC cancels all mobile carrier "zero-rating" net neutrality investigations
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https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/03/pai-zero-rating-fcc/
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Netherscourge
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Better hold on tight to your unlimited plans.
If you still have one.
If you still have one.
Let's add this also to this thread.
Privacy? Fuck you they say.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...et-broadband-providers-sell-your-private-data
Privacy? Fuck you they say.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...et-broadband-providers-sell-your-private-data
jellies_two
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The gamer gaters might stop playing for this:
Internet something something price something something wah ?
Internet something something price something something wah ?
Yup. Because this is going to swing the other way real hard probably as early as this fall.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
We are fucked on net neutrality.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
What in the literal fuck.
Say goodbye to any semblance at Net Neutrality unless Netflix et al does a 'pay us more or we block you' for a day.
To Far Away Times
Member
Where's that picture with the website packages split up like cable channels when you need it?
Coming soon to Verizon's homepage, probably.
astroturfing
Member
i agree with throwing all this newly invented legal mumbo jumbo into the garbage bin, we should go back to the basics, back to the 10 commandments and then expand from that IF absolutely necessary.
stan423321
Member
I... don't think EU prohibits this one either. At least, mobile plans with unlimited Facebook allowance come to mind, that was heavily advertised around here.
Username1198
Member
Oh sweet a chance for me to pay even more money fuck yea just what I wanted!!
nintendoman58
Member
I hate how every single Net Neutrality thread is filled with this knee-jerk reaction garbage.
I'll tell you what, if you're an up-and-coming media network not running through youtube, girder your loins, things are gonna get rough.
So RIP go90 and VRV.
Saucycarpdog
Member
Wait I'm confused. So you must pay separately for video or music streaming data on your phone?
The Albatross
Member
I always thought it was contradictory how TMobile and other carriers would get praise around here for offering streaming music or video services as not counting towards your data. It was a direct violation of net neutrality, but because it was in the mobile space and TMobile might have been seen as a disruptor it floated by or they were praised for it.
Since having Google Project Fi I was hoping that they'd give you free YouTube or Google Music streaming as an incentive (e.g., those apps don't count against data), but I think Google is hesitant to do this because it'd be a rejection of Net Neutrality. As a customer, I'd definitely use those apps more. Being really careful with my data usage (I use less than 1GB/month usually to keep my bill as low as possible), I very rarely listen to Google Music on my phone when driving, unless downloading a full album.
Since having Google Project Fi I was hoping that they'd give you free YouTube or Google Music streaming as an incentive (e.g., those apps don't count against data), but I think Google is hesitant to do this because it'd be a rejection of Net Neutrality. As a customer, I'd definitely use those apps more. Being really careful with my data usage (I use less than 1GB/month usually to keep my bill as low as possible), I very rarely listen to Google Music on my phone when driving, unless downloading a full album.
Username1198
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Exactly! Why the hell would a corporation charge us more when they have the chance to!
Saint Gregory
Member
I still have mine but not without Verizon trying every trick in the book to take it from me. I expect at some point they're just going to stop being coy and just force me off of it. If they do that I'm cancelling all of my other services (Fios, cable, home phone) though but I'm sure they'll just wipe those tears away with more money after net neutrality is buried.
I honestly don't know why you would ever doubt this happening without government intervention.
maybe you should pay attention more
I'm riding out my VZW unlimited for as long as I can.
nintendoman58
Member
I am paying attention. And I think people are severely overreacting/being really defeatist when they don't realize just how much Net Neutrality is supported by the people and big tech corporations.
I'm not saying don't be scared at all, I'm saying don't automatically assume the worst and stop acting like you know how it's all gonna go down.
Because you don't. No one does. The general attitude around these threads is 99% constant panic instead of actual discussion, making them downright unreadable.
Bottom line: Stop acting like it's already dead and focus on keeping it alive with the best of your ability (I.e. calling senators, leaving comments when available, joining protests, etc.).
Dash_Riprock
Member
Thank God I have T-Mobile.
Corronchilejano
Member
*Saving for future use*
I still have one on ATT, thy just raised the price again(2 years in a row). I'm sure it's only a matter of time until they drop it.
seriously.
i copy and pasted a huge email into another thread, that i had sent to my dad about net neutrality last year. Even i learned some scary shit. ATT and another company wanted to literally charge you for delivering traffic to your website. IE i own www.imawesome.com and every month i would get a bill from ATT stating how many visitors they delivered to my website with a charge per customer, even though my internet service is provided by comcast and i pay them every month.
These people are literally greedy piece of shit scumbags.
Empty Space
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You don't think this opens the door to kill net neutrality?
The Faceless Master
Member
lol
I don't think you realize just how much MONEY is supported by big tech corporations.
nintendoman58
Member
No, that's not what I said at all.
I'm not saying there's nothing to be worried about and that people should ignore this like it's nothing.
I'm saying that people are blowing it WAY out of proportion. In one sense, that's a good thing. It shows you're fired up to defend it at every corner and letting other people know the danger to fight for it until your last breath.
You people need to realize that this isn't a thing that quietly goes away overnight. It takes a LONG LONG time, and people and Silicon Valley corporations are ready to take up the fight for it like they've always have.
In the meantime, this "woe is me, we've already lost" act is completely infuriating. We should be fired up and active, not sitting down and crying and immediately assuming the worst.
And I don't think you realize how much MONEY Net Neutrality makes for big tech corporations as well.
When they introduce new rules, that's when John Oliver makes another speech, and that's when we spam the comments.
jellies_two
Member
Dude
It doesn't take a long time to drag an incomplete investigation into the trash bin.
Come on.
People need to stop judging each step in isolation not when there is a big fat destination ticket in the mans hand.
killer rin
Member
Get ready USA, you about to enter the Internet Dark Ages
nintendoman58
Member
The destination is what I'm talking about.
I feel like so many people here are underestimating just how much power the people and the internet have.
I'm sure that over half the US share the exact same fears as you guys do right now, and don't plan on letting this stuff fly without a fight.
No, this is about a pretty simple scheme. Give people low data caps so they can't do things like stream video, then charge (or buy) content providers to ignore the caps so that customers have to use their services.
Yes, it can literally happen overnight. The rules mean nothing unless the FCC is willing to enforce them and so far they have refused to say if they will or not. In fact, that is what this thread is about, as this practice is a violation of the rules that the FCC has decided not to enforce -- overnight.
I do agree with this somewhat. It seems people panic and create future narratives way too quickly. The only reason I bring it up is because it creates an attitude of "we're defeated, might as well give up." No better way to deflate a movement than by implying no hope.
jellies_two
Member
Don't get bogged down in details that's how they expect to win each change by boring everyone.
The philosophy is what's important : the bigger and richer you are, the less oversight you will get and the more money you can make. Redline areas because they are black and poor? Sure! That's capitalism!
Hand ATT and Comcast a weapon with which to extort those more nimble younger confusing Californian companies? Why not, and fuck how they pass that cost on, it's their network and if you want to switch switch. Oh wait you can't because you have one option.
Collude to set prices? Why that's just winning.
It's the destination they want and even if they lose a few little battles here and there on some parts it doesn't matter. They fire all guns and 60% hit home that's a bonanza time.
This administration thinks the invisible hand of the market is gonna make everything right. Greed is Good. Bribery and corruption is winning smartly. This is a man who managed to make everyone forget he doesn't pay any personal income taxes. Why would he give a fuck about you and your 100 megabit gaming connection?
Karsticles
Member
I hate when uneducated people make a blanket statement without any evidence to support it.
How is this knee-jerk? It has been discussed and foretold by the FCC administration Trump wants to put in power.
The issue of Zero Rating has always been weird to me. While I realize how it could, in theory, become problematic,for the most part it is actually a good feature. The FCC should instead focus on companies with absurdly low data caps and that charge extra for regular services, not punish companies that incentivize purchases.
sure, it's a nice feature as long as you don't want any content from an unapproved source
the problem is not that they are giving you free data, it's that they are only giving you free data when watching the content that makes them money because they own it or someone has paid for the privilege
Those are the same thing when you think about it, just framing it differently.
Angelus Errare
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Ah yes be reactive not proactive, the American Way. That works out well all the time.
No, they are two distincltly different thing. It's one thing for T-Mobile to not have you pay for data for using a music service. It's another if T-Mobile at the same time significantly decreased the data limit.
One may lead to another, and it's a problem that it does, but the putting a limit on the the first type of thing, IMO hinders what could be done in the mobile space.
For instance there was talk a little bit ago about "Sponsored data" where a company would pay for data for you in exchange for an ad at the top of your screen. This was actually a really great idea that when it came out everybody screamed "zero rating" and the idea disappeared. .
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