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[ATF487]

As long as this doesn't affect my pretzels, I don't really care.

There are too many fat people

 

[Cubsfan23]

LOL, then why go to taco bell? You can do more with a sack of potatoes, for less money, than you could at Taco Bell. Cooking meals at home is far cheaper.

yes the average american is gonna choose a sack of potatoes over a 89 cent burritio that will fill them up

 

[EmCeeGramr]

LOL, then why go to taco bell? You can do more with a sack of potatoes, for less money, than you could at Taco Bell. Cooking meals at home is far cheaper.

okay here's a working single mother of three tell her that instead of going to taco bell and getting value meals she should get a sack of potatoes and spend her time cooking them like she doesn't know how to do and then feed those to her kids every single night


I know SapientWolf's "sack of potatoes costs less than fries" without any prices listed was great, but you guys sure jumped onto it as gospel truth and the cure for all ills.

 

[Cubsfan23]

Except that wasn't the point; poor people don't HAVE to go to Taco Bell, that's an incorrect assumption.

nobody has to do shit. The reality is that is what's happening.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

okay here's a working single mother of three tell her that instead of going to taco bell and getting value meals she should get a sack of potatoes and spend her time cooking them like she doesn't know how to do and then feed those to her kids every single night


I know SapientWolf's "sack of potatoes costs less than fries" without any prices listed was great, but you guys sure jumped onto it as gospel truth and the cure for all ills.

Angry Grimace
Poor people: Eat a sack of potatoes.
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[Diablos]

unsaltedpopcorn.gif

:lol

 

[Angry Grimace]

the point, my friend, is that salt and sugar are addictive, for reasons already presented. the brain is hard-wired to seek them out and have always been because it's a necessity for our survival...but it's been exploited to our detriment.

I see this regulation as helping put the ball back in our court. when 70% of Americans are stuck eating more salt than the recommend amounts and we have record levels of health problems among our citizenry, defending the industry is....I find it an untenable position.

No, my point was that that guy's thesis makes it sound like a cloak and dagger operation on the part of the food service industry; but it's not rocket science to figure out that delicious food is addictive. It's common sense and everyone who's ever had a bag of Lay's knows this.

It paints the issue like people have no control over it, when yes, they do. I eat shitty food sometimes, but I don't eat shitty food until I turn into a 300 pound monster that needs that little Rascal to get around Wal-Mart. People need to take responsibility for themselves.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Except that wasn't the point at all; the point is that poor people don't HAVE to go to Taco Bell, that's an incorrect assumption on your part.

I don't think it's the Government's job to legislate whether poor people eat shit food or not; that's up to the people themselves. There are alternatives available and saying otherwise is being willfully ignorant.

Children don't have a choice in the matter, and they're the ones who are going to have their lives affected far worse when they grow up with health problems and addictions to unhealthy foods. A generation of unhealthy Americans addicted to fast food is something that reasonable people want to avoid. You know, instead of covering up their ears and pretending that this is manga-land and that if Americans living in poverty and hunger just BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES then they'll suddenly become healthy and un-poor thanks to the magic of the personal responsibility fairy.

 

[numble]

All this sack of potatoes talk reminds me of a group of college grads from my school who had to live cheaply for awhile. Almost all they ate were potatoes since it was so cheap. They got scurvy.

 

[FleckSplat]

I eat shitty food sometimes, but I don't eat shitty food until I turn into a 300 pound monster that needs that little Rascal to get around Wal-Mart. People need to take responsibility for themselves.

 

[markatisu]

LOL, then why go to taco bell? You can do more with a sack of potatoes, for less money, than you could at Taco Bell. Cooking meals at home is far cheaper.

From a homeowner who has been cooking for a decade I :lol at that statement

You must not watch Public Television or the show Frontline. They actually followed several poor families to understand their eating habits and many opted for unhealthy fast food because with a family of 3-4 kids they could not afford all the ingredients to cook properly vs feeding the whole family.

And you must be some kind of wonder shopper, it is not cheaper to make your own food then it is to get cheap and unhealthy fast food. Never has been never will be (even if you grow your own there is start up costs)

 

[daw840]

Children don't have a choice in the matter, and they're the ones who are going to have their lives affected far worse when they grow up with health problems and addictions to unhealthy foods. A generation of unhealthy Americans addicted to fast food is something that reasonable people want to avoid. You know, instead of covering up their ears and pretending that this is manga-land and that if Americans living in poverty and hunger just BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES then they'll suddenly become healthy and un-poor thanks to the magic of the personal responsibility fairy.

Jesus, I am not going to get into a debate about personal responsibility and motivation. I think my views on the subject are clear. The US has maybe the most potential upward mobility of any country on the planet of similar size.

 

[Angry Grimace]

okay here's a working single mother of three tell her that instead of going to taco bell and getting value meals she should get a sack of potatoes and spend her time cooking them like she doesn't know how to do and then feed those to her kids every single night


I know SapientWolf's "sack of potatoes costs less than fries" without any prices listed was great, but you guys sure jumped onto it as gospel truth and the cure for all ills.

The average price for a ten pound bag of potatoes is about $1.99-$4.00 depending on the price per year. It's not entirely accurate that it costs less than fries, but the point still stands.

Even if you were being serious, the "single mother" argument isn't very good; I know several single mothers and fathers who have very low incomes that feed their kids better food than I eat on a significantly lower budget and you'd be hard pressed to find some statistical evidence that on the whole families are forced to eat Taco Bell.

 

[J-Rod]

I'm far from fat, but I wish people would mind their own business about what other people eat and do. Just like you make a conscious decision to add salt to homeade food, so do you do when you buy a bag of chips. Not everyone needs to be proselytized into your perfect lifestyle choices in order to be saved from themselves. Even more screwy is that salt isn't even that bad for you.

 

[Sp3eD]

damnit.

I hate buying soups now because almost all of them are "25% reduced salt".

I end up putting it all back in anyway to get the right taste.

 

[Angry Grimace]

From a homeowner who has been cooking for a decade I :lol at that statement

You must not watch Public Television or the show Frontline. They actually followed several poor families to understand their eating habits and many opted for unhealthy fast food because with a family of 3-4 kids they could not afford all the ingredients to cook properly vs feeding the whole family.

And you must be some kind of wonder shopper, it is not cheaper to make your own food then it is to get cheap and unhealthy fast food. Never has been never will be (even if you grow your own there is start up costs)

The mere fact that Taco Bell is cheaper than a home-cooked meal does not mean ipso facto that poor people are required to go to Taco Bell. It's a specious argument.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Just drop salt from soda cans and I bet that's the biggest source of salt for a lot of people.

They fucking spike those with salt just to make you thirsty for another.

 

[daw840]

From a homeowner who has been cooking for a decade I :lol at that statement

You must not watch Public Television or the show Frontline. They actually followed several poor families to understand their eating habits and many opted for unhealthy fast food because with a family of 3-4 kids they could not afford all the ingredients to cook properly vs feeding the whole family.

And you must be some kind of wonder shopper, it is not cheaper to make your own food then it is to get cheap and unhealthy fast food. Never has been never will be (even if you grow your own there is start up costs)

There is a fucking fantastically cheap place called Aldi. They are nationwide I believe, not the best quality ingredients, but you can get produce and meat there for very cheap. They cut costs all over the place.


p.s. I am also a homeowner and regularly cook my own meals.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Children don't have a choice in the matter, and they're the ones who are going to have their lives affected far worse when they grow up with health problems and addictions to unhealthy foods. A generation of unhealthy Americans addicted to fast food is something that reasonable people want to avoid. You know, instead of covering up their ears and pretending that this is manga-land and that if Americans living in poverty and hunger just BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES then they'll suddenly become healthy and un-poor thanks to the magic of the personal responsibility fairy.

What is "manga-land"?

 

[way more]

Except that wasn't the point at all; the point is that poor people don't HAVE to go to Taco Bell, that's an incorrect assumption on your part.

I don't think it's the Government's job to legislate whether poor people eat shit food or not; that's up to the people themselves. There are alternatives available and saying otherwise is being willfully ignorant.

You mean by reducing the sodium levels of many foods? Is that really legislation saying people can't eat shit food? It's just a reduction in sodium levels.

 

[Takuan]

It's probably already been mentioned, but this would be a disaster for the hot dog industry.

And I love my hot dogs.

 

[captmcblack]

People still talking about what people "have" to do :lol

 

[numble]

There is a fucking fantastically cheap place called Aldi. They are nationwide I believe, not the best quality ingredients, but you can get produce and meat there for very cheap. They cut costs all over the place.


p.s. I am also a homeowner and regularly cook my own meals.

Did you use to live in more higher cost of living areas? i've lived in 5 states for a significant amount of time and I've never seen an Aldi's. Downtown Los Angeles had to have a celebration with local politicians when they opened it's first supermarket 3 years ago.

 

[FleckSplat]

It's probably already been mentioned, but this would be a disaster for the hot dog industry.

And I love my hot dogs.

So you're saying anti-sodium laws are anti-Hebrew?

 

[Jex]

It's not the price of a sack of patotoes anyway.

It's the time investment involved in cooking them.

Duh.

Jesus, I am not going to get into a debate about personal responsibility and motivation. I think my views on the subject are clear. The US has maybe the most potential upward mobility of any country on the planet of similar size.

I think it already is.

Children don't have a choice in the matter...

No-one likes sane arguments.

Personal responsilbity if one of all the time worst arguments trotted around the block. You can't waive it around whenever the government does something you disapprove of, and neither does it mesh well with how people act or think in the real world.

So corporations and buissness can work around the clock trying to find ways to trick their consumer into eating their addictive foods, but the government can't reduce salt levels because of "personal responsiblity". What. So you only let one side influence how people live their lives?

 

[Angry Grimace]

Children don't have a choice in the matter, and they're the ones who are going to have their lives affected far worse when they grow up with health problems and addictions to unhealthy foods. A generation of unhealthy Americans addicted to fast food is something that reasonable people want to avoid. You know, instead of covering up their ears and pretending that this is manga-land and that if Americans living in poverty and hunger just BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES then they'll suddenly become healthy and un-poor thanks to the magic of the personal responsibility fairy.

Shitty attempt at an ad hominem aside...right, because people taking personal responsibility is some kind of delusional fantasy scenario. Give me a break.

 

[MedHead]

I almost bought canned corn last week.

IT WAS LIKE A CAN FULL OF SALT! IT WAS MADNESS! How do people consume that????

There are some options available; below is an example.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036GG6WQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[way more]

There are some options available; below is an example.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036GG6WQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20

The regulation is coming from inside the industry! Get out of the house.

 

[Angry Grimace]

It's not the price of a sack of patotoes anyway.

It's the time investment involved in cooking them.

Duh.



I think it already is.



No-one likes sane arguments.

Personal responsilbity if one of all the time worst arguments trotted around the block. You can't waive it around whenever the government does something you disapprove of, and neither does it mesh well with how people act or think in the real world.

So corporations and buissness can work around the clock trying to find ways to trick their consumer into eating their addictive foods, but the government can't reduce salt levels because of "personal responsiblity". What. So you only let one side influence how people live their lives?

There's no evidence to prove there's some "trick." That's just something you made up right now to describe the common sense that people like to eat good tasting foods and make it sound malevolent.

I'm not even sure what to tell you if you actually believe taking personal responsibilty for your own actions is "one of the all time worst arguments" for anything at all. It's ludicrously nonsensical, really. People actually believe that the fault for fat, unhealthy Americans lies with something other than fat, unhealthy Americans?

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Shitty attempt at an ad hominem aside...right, because people taking personal responsibility is some kind of delusional fantasy scenario. Give me a break.

There's saying that you should take personal responsibility, and then there's condescendingly implying that it's your fault for being in a bad situation and that you're obviously not trying already.

There's a reason that the phrase "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" originally meant struggling at an impossible task before it was co-opted as some kind of motivational phrase.

 

[Gaborn]

The regulation is coming from inside the industry! Get out of the house.

Regulation? Or... COMPETITION? If there is a demand for a product in general SOMEONE will provide it.

 

[numble]

The quote by Dr. Alderman is from 2000. Many reviews have been published since then. The Cochrane Database published at least three meta-analyses since then. Their latest I can find supports the idea of reduced salt intake having a modest population effect in reducing heart disease, stroke, etc. The measured effects are actually quite minimal, but taken over the longer term the authors state this actually reduced adverse events. I initially was skeptical since results from past individual studies have been so different, but overall I think this will actually produce noticeable improvements in Americans' health.


Bullshit. BMJ published a meta-analysis in November 2009 which refutes your claim. I'm done providing links and text in this board since only a small handful here actually know how to read a clinical paper. It's easy to find in PubMed if you want to take a stab at it and flounder like others have.

At your age the kidneys will filter out all the excess sodium. No biggie. As you age the blood pressure will trend upwards if you are not careful. What are the two biggest reasons for renal failure? Diabetes and hypertension. What's first-line medical therapy for hypertension? Hydrochlorothiazide. How does that work? Blocks the sodium chloride symporter on the distal convoluted tubule. You have to be a fool to think that sodium is completely blameless in the disease realm of hypertension.

I wouldn't be surprised if a third of our generation, by the way it eats, eventually ends up on dialysis machines by age 60. Fuck that shit. I'll be glad to operate on fistulas and transplant kidneys, but it'll be one depressing day if I myself have to connect to a machine three times a week.

This is a great post, and I'm surprised I'm the first to respond to it. Seems people would rather discuss small fries.

I wonder why people would not be in favor of preventative measures, when the alternative is to subsidize these expensive procedures, which will happen both publicly and even if we are in private health care schemes.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

The average price for a ten pound bag of potatoes is about $1.99-$4.00 depending on the price per year. It's not entirely accurate that it costs less than fries, but the point still stands.

Angry Grimace
Poor people: Go eat a sack of potatoes.
(Today, 04:53 PM)
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[Amory]

okay here's a working single mother of three tell her that instead of going to taco bell and getting value meals she should get a sack of potatoes and spend her time cooking them like she doesn't know how to do and then feed those to her kids every single night

My question is, why should I have to have my diet adjusted to have less salt by government mandate when I've got no problem with salt?

It's a more or less trivial issue at this point. But should we be shifting the American diet as a whole to help those who refuse (or can't, if you want to put it that way) help themselves?

Would you feel the same way if this was about carbs? Or fat content? Plenty of fat people in this country would benefit from government mandating these things be lowered. That single working mother of three probably would too, but I cringe at the idea that the entire country should be forced to eat a certain way for the benefit of some.

 

[Angry Grimace]

There's saying that you should take personal responsibility, and then there's condescendingly implying that it's your fault for being in a bad situation and that you're obviously not trying already.

Yeah, except you aren't presenting any evidence to support that theory other than a lot of assumptions. People don't have to eat sodium rich foods even if they are available. I'm still waiting for some evidence to the contrary that's not an ad hominem attack or the same assumption simply repackaged.

I'll listen to the argument if you can show me some kind of evidence that people couldn't avoid excess sodium even if they wanted to, much less some kind of scientific consensus that sodium has some negative effect on overall health.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Angry Grimace
Poor people: Go eat a sack of potatoes.
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Imagine Grimace as an English lord looking at a bunch of starving Irish peasants.

"Oh, stop being such lazy animals! A sack of potatoes is cheap, just keep doing that and stop complaining."

 

[Angry Grimace]

My question is, why should I have to have my diet adjusted to have less salt by government mandate when I've got no problem with salt?

It's a more or less trivial issue at this point. But should we be shifting the American diet as a whole to help those who refuse (or can't, if you want to put it that way) help themselves?

Would you feel the same way if this was about carbs? Or fat content? Plenty of fat people in this country would benefit from government mandating these things be lowered. That single working mother of three probably would too, but I cringe at the idea that the entire country should be forced to eat a certain way for the benefit of some.

Salt is being put up as the patsy for the real problem that some people simply eat too much.

There's no evidence whatsoever that poor people need to go to taco bell, nor that people that regularly go to Taco Bell have a bunch of health problems based on their sodium intake.

There's no point in taking EmCeeGamer seriously, I think he's just trolling. He has no real basis to support his argument and isn't bringing one up, so I'm assuming he's just trying to AstroLad us now.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

No, my point was that that guy's thesis makes it sound like a cloak and dagger operation on the part of the food service industry; but it's not rocket science to figure out that delicious food is addictive. It's common sense and everyone who's ever had a bag of Lay's knows this.

It paints the issue like people have no control over it, when yes, they do. I eat shitty food sometimes, but I don't eat shitty food until I turn into a 300 pound monster that needs that little Rascal to get around Wal-Mart. People need to take responsibility for themselves.

that's fine and dandy. it doesn't change the research that shows salt and sugar are hardwired into the brain to crave and are being exploited to our determent.

I think over my last 4 or 5 posts in this thread, I've supplied no less than 10 links to articles, studies, and commentaries pointing this out, from WebMD to various online journals to regular old healthy eating websites.

I've yet to see you or anyone else seemingly against this effort supply any evidence to suppose there isn't an actual biological reason combined with corporate profit-making has been exploited to our determent.

Our diets are being filled with what is collectively an unhealthy amount of salt (and sugar) and it is extremely difficult to put together a lot of foods without them. in fact, 7 in 10 Americans are getting some 150% more than they should. and with 75% of it coming from processed foods, it becomes almost inevitable.

reducing the amount of salt coming in those ways helps the general health. add salt later if you're so compelled. But why suggest it's okay for the industry to overload us with salt for THEIR benefit and OUR determent?

Every comment in this post has been backed up by the many links I've already posted. Here's a comprehensive list of them. When you can put together a reasonable argument...that doesn't devolve all the way to bitching about pickles and suggesting the poor revise their diet around sacks of fucking potatoes, we'll all be compelled to take you seriously. Until then...

http://www.webmd.com/heart/news/20090326/too-much-salt-hurting-two-thirds-of-americans

http://www.consumerreports.org/heal...your-diet-1-08/overview/salt-and-sugar-ov.htm

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache...nth&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071022120256.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/26/AR2009042602711.html

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372593

http://www.chewonthis.org.uk/fat_salt_sugar/salt_home.htm


...good luck.

With respect, you have an argument that you cannot possibly think you can win at this point. Sit and spin on a potato, bro.

 

[TestOfTide]

wasn't there a topic a few weeks ago where some conservatives got all pissy because some college students were trying to use food stamps to eat healthy food?

it's hard for me to believe he could be serious about this. but him writing post after post about pickles, I know he's dead serious. it's scary.

that was Gaborn and his crazy demand that we either find a way to make pickles without a bunch of salt or don't reduce salt at all.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

that was Gaborn and his crazy demand that we either find a way to make pickles without a bunch of salt or don't reduce salt at all.

you're right. apologize to Angry Grimace. though Grimace's argument is actually much more irrational.

 

[fireside]

I'll listen to the argument if you can show me some kind of evidence that people couldn't avoid excess sodium even if they wanted to

Most salt eaten by Americans -- 77 percent -- comes from processed foods, making it difficult for consumers to limit salt to healthy levels, experts say.

Basically everything you buy at a grocery store except meats, grains, fruits, and vegetables (and who knows what genetic engineering has done to that stuff).

Do you expect consumers to start making every thing they eat from the raw ingredients? I cook almost every day and never eat out, but I'm not stupid enough to state I never buy anything that's processed. It's inevitable.

 

[Solid Moustache]

When they came for the salt I didnt speak up because I wasn't a salt fan.

When they came for the sugar I didnt speak up because I had HCFS stock.

When they came for my fried chicken there was no one left to speak up.

Spoiler

And when they came for my bacon I turned into a cyborg and killed the president and everyone at the FDA.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Basically everything you buy at a grocery store except meats, grains, fruits, and vegetables (and who knows what genetic engineering has done to that stuff).

Do you expect consumers to start making every thing they eat from the raw ingredients? I cook almost every day and never eat out, but I'm not stupid enough to state I never buy anything that's processed. It's inevitable.

exactly.

well no...apparently, you can just eat sacks of potatoes. all the rage, bro.

 

[Angry Grimace]

that's fine and dandy. it doesn't change the research that shows salt and sugar are hardwired into the brain to crave and are being exploited to our determent.

I think over my last 4 or 5 posts in this thread, I've supplied no less than 10 links to articles, studies, and commentaries pointing this out, from WebMD to various online journals to regular old healthy eating websites.

I've yet to see you or anyone else seemingly against this effort supply any evidence to suppose there isn't an actual biological reason combined with corporate profit-making has been exploited to our determent.

Our diets are being filled with what is collectively an unhealthy amount of salt (and sugar) and it is extremely difficult to put together a lot of foods without them. in fact, 7 in 10 Americans are getting some 150% more than they should. and with 75% of it coming from processed foods, it becomes almost inevitable.

reducing the amount of salt coming in those ways helps the general health. add salt later if you're so compelled. But why suggest it's okay for the industry to overload us with salt for THEIR benefit and OUR determent?

Every comment in this post has been backed up by the many links I've already posted. Here's a comprehensive list of them. When you can put together a reasonable argument...that doesn't devolve all the way to bitching about pickles and suggesting the poor revise their diet around sacks of fucking potatoes, we'll all be compelled to take you seriously. Until then...

http://www.webmd.com/heart/news/20090326/too-much-salt-hurting-two-thirds-of-americans

http://www.consumerreports.org/heal...your-diet-1-08/overview/salt-and-sugar-ov.htm

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache...nth&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071022120256.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/26/AR2009042602711.html

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372593

http://www.chewonthis.org.uk/fat_salt_sugar/salt_home.htm



...good luck.

With respect, you have an argument that you cannot possibly think you can win at this point. Sit and spin on a potato, bro.

The irony of you claiming I can't "win" some argument is that I have no I have no idea where you're going with this or what your argument even is. You're reading far, far too much into it to be seeing these secret cabals of Hamburger pushers.

The reason nobody is responding to you is because you haven't supplied any reason to think it IS. You're essentially arguing it's some vast, Tobacco-esque conspiracy, when in reality, it's patently obvious that there is an addicting property to things that taste or feel good.

None of those would give rise to an inference that there's some cloak-and-dagger scheme to trick us into eating delicious foods. People don't need to be tricked into eating those.

In short, you're talking to nobody about conspiracy theories that have no merit.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

In short, you're talking to nobody about conspiracy theories that have no merit.

http://www.webmd.com/heart/news/20090326/too-much-salt-hurting-two-thirds-of-americans

http://www.consumerreports.org/heal...your-diet-1-08/overview/salt-and-sugar-ov.htm

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache...nth&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071022120256.htm

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372593

http://www.chewonthis.org.uk/fat_salt_sugar/salt_home.htm


here are the links, minus your dreaded "conspiracy theory" article.

the conversation was never dependent on that one article anyway.

try fucking again. you're not going to out-maneuver me because you didn't like one article. address the articles, Mr. Potato Head.

 

[HotGarbage]

Heh, at one point in my life I was taking 16 grams of salt a day for medical reasons (nutty yeah I know, but it ended up completely normalizing my liver. No idea what happened there but I'm not complaining). I was monitored closely, and my labs remained completely normal throughout the year I was on this. Hell, my blood pressure actually decreased a bit :lol . Of course this personal anecdote means nothing, I just thought I'd share as it's pretty nutty.

I wonder though. While I was doing this I was drinking looots of water and eating healthy. Perhaps the real culprit here is salt + stereotypical unhealthy soda-only diet and not just salt itself? Aka this solution is only half-baked? ...Meh, I haven't looked at the research so I can't say anything. I DO HOPE however that there is some serious evidence behind this... and that this won't end up being a sub-optimal use of taxpayer money that ultimately won't have any significant affect on our nation's declining health.

 

[numble]

much less some kind of scientific consensus that sodium has some negative effect on overall health.

Not this again...

First off, there's been some credible postings by doctors in this thread, and numerous pubmed articles to read. Please tell me the PubMed articles that you take issue with. It's like the anti climate change folks all over again.

Secondly, you've probably taken administrative law or have some familiarity with the FDCA and should surely know that the regs have to have some basis in factual findings and cannot be arbitrary and capricious.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Basically everything you buy at a grocery store except meats, grains, fruits, and vegetables (and who knows what genetic engineering has done to that stuff).

Do you expect consumers to start making every thing they eat from the raw ingredients? I cook almost every day and never eat out, but I'm not stupid enough to state I never buy anything that's processed. It's inevitable.

No, I expect them to exercise some restraint and eat foods of any kind in moderation, which really isn't an overwhelming demand.

 

[AndyD]

wasn't there a topic a few weeks ago where some conservatives got all pissy because some college students were trying to use food stamps to eat healthy food?

I read something similar elsewhere.

It said that since the economy tanked many more people are on foodstamps. A large portion of the "new" recipients are used to eating healthier than the "old" regular food stamp recipients. On food stamps they can't buy healthy food they are used to, so they are putting an increasing amount of pressure on legislators to change what is covered by food stamps.

College students and new graduates was a large portion. And they were not even trying to buy fancy health food, but some basic produce and whatnot. I will try to fond the article as it was an interesting read.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

It's like the anti climate change folks all over again.

damn shame, isn't it?

I just...

*facepalm*