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[entremet]

A gun-wielding customer at a Waffle House in Charleston, South Carolina shot and wounded an armed robber early Saturday morning. According to The Post and Courier, police received a call shortly after 5 a.m. reporting shots fired. "He saved us," says one Waffle House employee. Investigators are still working to identify the suspect who is being treated at the local hospital. The thief is in critical condition.

One officer says the incident shows how firearms can be useful "in the right hands." Perhaps he's right. Waffle House customers have used guns to take down would-be thieves before. In 2013, an off-duty security guard shot a suspect during an attempted Waffle House robbery. Then again, guns often land in the wrong hands, as in the case of the Atlanta Waffle House cook who shot and killed a customer for acting "unruly."

The customer had a conceal carry license.

http://www.eater.com/2015/10/10/9493759/waffle-house-customer-shoots-thief-robbery

 

[ramuh]

Why in the hell would you try to rob a Waffle House?

 

[Stet]

"He saved us," says one Waffle House employee.


...from what?

 

[entremet]

Why in the hell would you try to rob a Waffle House?

Probably a meth head.

 

[dejay]

Why in the hell would you try to rob a Waffle House?

Never fancied a waffle at 5am? Perhaps the thief had no money.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

"He saved us," says one Waffle House employee.


...from what?

From terrorism ofc.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Happened like 10 mins from me. Dozen cop cars flying by this morning

 

[Suikoguy]

Second one this week. A shooter fired at an escaping shoplifter at a Home Depot earlier this week.

 

[Dan]

Customers play acting as vigilante security guards.

Doesn't even sound like there was ever any real threat of violence until the customer shot. This ain't the Wild West. Having a concealed carry permit does not mean you're deputized and can shoot people to maybe theoretically prevent a situation from turning ugly.

 

[Veritigo_X]

He didn't have to shoot the guy. He could've just pointed him to the cashier.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Customers play acting as vigilante security guards.

Doesn't even sound like there was ever any real threat of violence until the customer shot.

The robber was armed and threatening violence???

That said, was shooting necessary? Who knows.

 

[entremet]

Second one this week. A shooter fired at an escaping shoplifter at a Home Depot earlier this week.

Alleged shoplifter.

Do we know if they had positive ID?

 

[ItIsOkBro]

The robber, the customer, the employee, and the officer are all idiots.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

He didn't have to shoot the guy. He could've just pointed him to the cashier.

Somehow I think Carson will use this story as a vindication of his claims about victims.

 

[Hip Hop]

"He saved us," says one Waffle House employee.


...from what?

From an armed robbery?

good job on the guy

 

[shinobi602]

"He saved us," says one Waffle House employee.


...from what?

Customers play acting as vigilante security guards.

Doesn't even sound like there was ever any real threat of violence until the customer shot. This ain't the Wild West. Having a concealed carry permit does not mean you're deputized and can shoot people to maybe theoretically prevent a situation from turning ugly.

wut....the criminal was armed and attempting robbery, the very definition of an act of violence. People's lives are in danger, that's the exact moment you can use your concealed firearm lol.

 

[Coffee Dog]

wut....the criminal was armed and attempting robbery, the very definition of an act of violence. People's lives are in danger, that's the exact moment you can use your concealed firearm lol.

....So start a gunfight instead of letting waffle house lose some money?

 

[Jawmuncher]

Customers play acting as vigilante security guards.

Doesn't even sound like there was ever any real threat of violence until the customer shot.

Not trying to get into any argument, but couldn't any armed robbery escalate to trouble? I don't think there's any reason to discredit that. However on the same hand self vigilantism is a dangerous game. With the numerous ridiculous accounts which have been reported like th e most recent one of a home depot customer shooting at a fleeing shop lifter. I feel it's just a messy situation all around. Since you can never know exactly what would have happened if things played differently. However this story doesn't mention what the weapon the thief had was. Since armed can mean anything used to threaten another right? So could he in essence have had just a pocket knife?

 

[Hip Hop]

....So start a gunfight instead of letting waffle house lose some money?

A gunfight?

seems like it was defused right quick.

 

[Coffee Dog]

A gunfight?

seems like it was defused right quick.

it's a good thing nobody ever misses then. :^)

 

[shinobi602]

....So start a gunfight instead of letting waffle house lose some money?

Seems like it was defused pretty darn quick to me. The reason a person carries a firearm when robbing a joint is to threaten the victim with their life, hence the point of "armed" robbery, and when you're allowed to use your gun to defend yourself or someone else' life. I'm not sure what other reason there would be to use it.

 

[SapientWolf]

Not looking good for the Hamburglar.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Pssh, I saw two African "exchange students" thrash an armed robber with nothing more than a mop handle and some coordinated eye gestures.

 

[SmackDaddy]

Gun supporters galvanized for 15 more years

 

[Somnid]

Pro-gun: You're welcome, let's just call it even.

 

[eyeball_kid]

....So start a gunfight instead of letting waffle house lose some money?

 

[Chariot]

Why can't I make Schusswaffeln jokes in english?

 

[Jonm1010]

I see your anecdotal evidence and raise you context.

 

[Measley]

America, we are fucked.

 

[GavinGT]

On the other hand, this could happen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zubto7OIGns

 

[Dan]

Not trying to get into any argument, but couldn't any armed robbery escalate to trouble? I don't think there's any reason to discredit that. However on the same hand self vigilantism is a dangerous game. With the numerous ridiculous accounts which have been reported like th e most recent one of a home depot customer shooting at a fleeing shop lifter. I feel it's just a messy situation all around. Since you can never know exactly what would have happened if things played differently. However this story doesn't mention what the weapon the thief had was. Since armed can mean anything used to threaten another right? So could he in essence have had just a pocket knife?

I'm not convinced a theoretical possibility of escalation grants a random person permission to shoot someone. That kind of thinking leads to all kinds of craziness, as we see constantly with police jumping to conclusions.

I've been held up and robbed at gunpoint. I don't however believe that alone would have justified somehow preemptively shooting the guy.

 

[CrocMother]

On the other hand, this could happen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zubto7OIGns

I just watched that movie the other day, thought of that scene too!

 

[Big Shirtless Ron]

Alleged shoplifter.

Do we know if they had positive ID?

On Tuesday, customers were coming and going in the parking lot of a Home Depot near Detroit when a shoplifter suddenly came tearing across the blacktop. The shoplifter, who appeared to be in his 40s and wore a black shirt and hat, was pushing a cart full of stolen power tools and welding equipment worth more than $1,000.

As a Home Depot loss prevention officer came running after him, the shoplifter shoved the stolen goods into a waiting black SUV and jumped in.

That’s when a female bystander pulled out a concealed pistol and fired several shots at the fleeing shoplifters, possibly striking one of the SUV’s rear tires.

The shoplifters nonetheless escaped, according to a press release from the Auburn Hills Police Department.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ots-at-fleeing-shoplifter-could-face-charges/

Firing on a fleeing vehicle in a crowded parking lot is super-reckless.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I'm not convinced a theoretical possibility of escalation grants a random person permission to shoot someone. That kind of thinking leads to all kinds of craziness, as we see constantly with police jumping to conclusions.

I've been held up and robbed at gunpoint. I don't however believe that alone would have justified somehow preemptively shooting the guy.

I can understand that.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I have no problems with an armed robber getting shot.

Good work, citizen.

 

[KevinCow]

Cool. So that's one mark in the "hero saves the day with his gun" column, and thousands in the "innocent person gets killed by a gun" column.

 

[diehard]

I see your anecdotal evidence and raise you context.

Finding doctors to support a per-concienved notion is pretty easy actually

http://drgo.us/?p=314

 

[Rur0ni]

Pssh, I saw two African "exchange students" thrash an armed robber with nothing more than a mop handle and some coordinated eye gestures.

Needs more appreciation.

 

[The_Inquisitor]

A lot of people in this thread have never been held at gunpoint. You have no idea what the fuck the person with the gun is thinking when they point it at you. I'm sorry but in an active situation when the gun is actively being used to threaten someone (aka the gunman is not running away or putting anyone in immediate danger) the action of "taking down" the gunman is justified in my opinion.

Edit: My opinion may differ as I had a revolver pushed to my temple. People will have different opinions.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Why in the hell would you try to rob a Waffle House?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jomr9SAjcyw

 

[Stumpokapow]

I have no problems with an armed robber getting shot.

Good work, citizen.

please rank these outcomes from best to worst

1) no one gets shot
2) robber gets shot
3) innocent people get shot

it's kind of unfathomable that there are human beings that think 2-1-3 is the way to go.

 

[timetokill]

Sounds like it was justified. Good on that guy for protecting the employees there.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

Why in the hell would you try to rob a Waffle House?

I thought Waffle House existed to be robbed. Well, that and to make bad drunk decisions.

 

[Stet]

From an armed robbery?

good job on the guy

It sounds like they were subject to an armed robbery anyway. I just can't assume that there would have been violence regardless of whether or not someone shot the thief, so I don't see how someone could imagine they'd been saved by anything.

 

[diehard]

please rank these outcomes from best to worst

1) no one gets shot
2) robber gets shot
3) innocent people get shot

it's kind of unfathomable that there are human beings that think 2-1-3 is the way to go.

3 isnt anywhere in the realm of 1 or 2. If 3 didn't happen, its a "good" ending.

 

[Jonm1010]

Finding doctors to support a per-concienved notion is pretty easy actually

http://drgo.us/?p=314

Its cute that your link cites some of the very studies my link eviscerated. Heres a link to an NPR segment where they talk about the absurdity of the Kleck study.

But I always like ad hominem attacks, conspiracy theories and poor sources when I evaluate topics. Thats why I believe climate change is a global conspiracy by big science to steal our jobs and make us all live in hippie communes smoking drugs and eating vegetables.

 

[Bodacious]

please rank these outcomes from best to worst

1) no one gets shot
2) robber gets shot
3) innocent people get shot

it's kind of unfathomable that there are human beings that think 2-1-3 is the way to go.

Some people deserve to be shot. I won't go as far as saying they 'should' be, but they deserve it. I don't see where 'robber gets rewarded with cash, and leaves to commit more crimes another day' is any more desirable than #2.

Unless your #1 means the robbery never occurs in the first place. Then yes, I'd prefer that.


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[Volimar]

I have no problems with an armed robber getting shot.

Good work, citizen.

Same here pretty much. Glad no one else was hurt.

 

[Boke1879]

Pssh, I saw two African "exchange students" thrash an armed robber with nothing more than a mop handle and some coordinated eye gestures.

I understood that reference

 

[Coffee Dog]

3 isnt anywhere in the realm of 1 or 2. If 3 didn't happen, its a "good" ending.

If you don't want innocents getting shot, why are you shooting at armed criminals? If anyone misses it becomes a firefight.