copelandmaster
Member
Holy shit. So now were getting a 'Director's Cut'? The game just came out.
Final Fantasy XV: Final Mix
Final Mix+ in 2018?
Final Fantasy XV: Final Mix
Final Mix+ in 2018?
FFXV's future updates adjust chapters, add cutscenes, add playable characters, more
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Well this is actually what Tabata said in the link hence the quote of Ravus as example. He actually used 'improve the story presentation in second half of the game'
But driveby-posts and naysayers have already twisted the words so faraway it becomes 'FFXV was shipped broken and SE is going to change the story' lol
MadClacker
Member
I keep hearing so many bad things about Chapter 13. As I'm nowhere close to there yet, can someone tell me (without spoiling) what's so bad about it? Is it story related, or gameplay related?
Red Liquorice
Member
If the patch drops before I start playing, fair enough - although I've already downloaded the giant 10GB 1.02 patch - but if it doesn't come out until I'm in the middle of the game there's no way I'm updating, changing the game. Fuck that. They've had long enough to deliver a complete game, this is a joke.
Yes it was unfinished, it had a very messy development and it lacked a lot of story related things for lack of direction/funds. The Zodiac edition doesn't add story or character related stuff (as far as I remember), it fixes gameplay elements, adds new modes and equipment and addresses some issues the game had. This same thing can be done with patches nowadays and it is what all developers do, usually for free (this is good). This is not the issue.
The issue I believe is saying "Hey, the game sold well, let's add stuff we left along the way". It's more than a S-E thing, it's a general industry thing. Other companies add this stuff for a price, it's good that S-E does this for free, but it's a VERY shitty thing to say that because your thing sell well now you can finish it. Why didn't you add it in the first place if you knew there was missing stuff? Lack of time? Lack of money? Both? Why release the game then? Business stuff? OK, I totally understand that, but it sets a precedent and it tells people that you shouldn't buy games at launch because they are incomplete experiences. We all knew this shit? Why yes of course, this is just confirmation. By "we all" I mean "internet people who are more or less informed", the general public don't care.
It's not the devs fault, but it's a very shitty situation nonetheless. We should all just stop buying first day games until this shit stops, that's all.
Like, I can bring Iris and Cor with me to do post-game stuff? That would be amazing!
YoRHa No.2 Type B
Banned
So we will be able to create our own character? That's cool. BUT
Didn't they delayed the game because they said not everybody has internet or good connection and now they make huge updates to massively improve the game?
Yes. Definetly wating for the definitive version with all DLC and updates included.
Didn't they delayed the game because they said not everybody has internet or good connection and now they make huge updates to massively improve the game?
Yes. Definetly wating for the definitive version with all DLC and updates included.
I think that was a given since there are times in the game that already felt cut out for the companion DLC.
Hydrargyrus
Member
I had the intention for buying it in Christmass sales buf after reading this, I think I'm going to wait a little more.
It's great that they're continuing to improve the game. That's better than them just leaving it the way it is (like Xenogears). But at the same time, that feels like a kick in the gut because I've already finished FFXV and I didn't like it nearly enough to want to play it again for whatever added content they're coming up with. I was already disappointed once and I don't want to be disappointed a second time (because let's face it. No matter how many cutscenes they add, they're not going to be able to really meet the potential this story had).
Darkstorne
Member
Gameplay. Story-wise it's actually really good. It just massively overstays it's welcome.
Glass Rebel
Member
Well, actually now they're saying to buy the game at launch instead of waiting, otherwise we might never get these fixes.
I don't like XII partially because of it's utterly shit pacing, that said, I think it at least told a coherent story. More so than XV ever did.
XV feels unfinished because it feels like chunks of the game are just missing here and there. Especially the ones which seems like they were cut out for DLC. (Big game spoilers - don't read until you've finished the game)
I can get over Gladio going off on his own, hell, even Promto's bit of going missing, but Ignis going fucking blind and the game just glosses over it, are you freaking kidding me? You just don't insert such a important plot point for an important character and then not even mention how or why.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
The FFXII comparisons are really accurate. It's not "incomplete," but it feels like a large amount of things take place off screen or in story dumps.
The only pieces I'd argue feel genuinely incomplete are the bro DLCs, which are obvious gaps in the narrative. Especially
Prompto's
Ok, we have a different notion of unfinished. I agree FF XII and FF XV could have been so much better story wise if more time was given to develop the game, but at one point they had to release the games so they completed them the best they could. An unfinished game is a game lacking meaningful ending. That is not the case with FF XV and XII.
Riposte
Member
I don't see how you can argue otherwise. You get the other half of the setting's cosmology, including an answer to what humanity is.
That's ignoring half of what I said and I don't think it matters anyway. Was Dark Souls an incomplete game and did FROM scam us? Based on the same "incomplete game" absolutism in this thread, yes. The original release was missing hours of content that came into existence about a year later with a PC port.
If what you say is true I'm fine with playing it now. It's just that reading through the list against certain responses paints a different the picture than a game that has gaps that can be filled in later.
I was worried for a minute that this was Chrono Cross or, dare I say, Xenogears level of incomplete.
Holy shit, didn't expect all this negativity regarding these news. They're not changin the story, they're adding cutscenes to maybe explain a little bit more and more clearly what hapenned in some part of the games. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised, people do love finding problems in the game for some reason (like complaining that the game didn't explain stuff when it clearly did or the usual "Nomura vision" and "Versus XIII was better" stuff.
I'll keep playing the game, I didn't reach chapter 13 yet so I hope it gets patched before I get there.
I'll keep playing the game, I didn't reach chapter 13 yet so I hope it gets patched before I get there.
Ivory Samoan
Member
I see a lot of people acting like SE are bad guys for wanting to improve their game for the fans......seems off to me.
This feels like pure goodwill, it's not like they're re-writing scripts and such, it's more like clarification and enhancement of the game experience.
Plus did I understand correctly, the DLC is going to be free?
This feels like pure goodwill, it's not like they're re-writing scripts and such, it's more like clarification and enhancement of the game experience.
Plus did I understand correctly, the DLC is going to be free?
Cutscenes and gameplay additions are free.
Wow that all sounds unbelievable considering how much gouging and nonsense you can usually expect (even in this game with it's preorders and editions chart). Great level of commitment. Big props to Tabata and the whole team if they continue like this and want to keep improving it.
I agree. Changing the second half of the game as well as making big changes to chapter 13 screws everyone who bought the game at launch.
Almost every game in development has content cut at a moment or another. Ken Levine himself said that the content cut in the development of Bioshock Infinite could have made five or six whole games.
The thing is, Bioshock Infinite and Dark Souls both managed to deliver an experience that doesn't felt incomplete. Both stories (well, it would be hard to talk story with Dark Souls) started and finished without major holes.
That does not applies with Final Fantasy XV. The game feels incomplete as fuck from every aspect of its stories. Characters that completely disappears, major plotholes, events that happens off-screen... THAT is an incomplete game.
Well I'll take all those adjustments but this makes it apparent they should have left this in the oven to give them more time. Unless they didn't see this as an issue until hearing reactions? That seems off if that were the case.
I'd also be curious if this means we could see the various quality of life updates that were discussed in that thread such as taking on multiple quests at once.
I'd also be curious if this means we could see the various quality of life updates that were discussed in that thread such as taking on multiple quests at once.
Emperor_Uriel
Member
This is awesome. They aren't fixing anything because there's nothing objectively broken, they're just making adjustments based on feedback.
The only downside is... well... I hope you have another 20gb of space free on your PS4.
The only downside is... well... I hope you have another 20gb of space free on your PS4.
thetrin
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Yeah, they're talking patches, not DLC. This is all stuff that is getting fixed. I find that commendable, personally. Working in games myself, I really commend what they're doing.
josecitoxnyo
Member
Why the fuck did they release the game then? This explains all the fucking reviews using the "It feels like a FF" and all the nostalgic bullshit instead of talking about the thousand problems the game has.
Fuck off Square Enix.
Yes, i'm pissed.
Fuck off Square Enix.
Yes, i'm pissed.
Exactly, doesn't that sound wrong? "Buy the game and we'll finish it along the way, promise"
Again, it's not a S-E exclusive thing. It's like buying a car at full price, realize that you lack a door and then the seller says "Yeah we know that, wait some months and you'll get your door. Enjoy your car in the meantime, please". It's just wrong.
Dangansona
Member
Have you played it yet?
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
I mean it sounds like they are literally re-writing scripts and stuff. Also goodwill for the fans is releasing a completed game in the first place, not charging full price for a incomplete one waiting for people to buy it and finish it and then saying 'oh wait! we'll patch the holes later'
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Man I hoped they don't bother with long term support for this game. I mean, I get it. Game development and marketing cost a crap ton of money, they need to recuperate the money somehow. So, just make a full proper sequel and actually learn from the mistakes into making XV and take the time to polish the game. This is better than building on a game, halfassing it with random features here and there.
More importantly, I want them to move on so that we can get a brand new XVI this generation.
More importantly, I want them to move on so that we can get a brand new XVI this generation.
Ahh the fabled car metaphore.
Omnistalgic
Member
she so pretty...I can't believe this omg
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what??? What???
adjusting the story of a game that's already out?
Think I'll pick it up after some patches then...jump into TLG and some back log stuff...
Darkstorne
Member
I wouldn't say it "screws" us. We'll still get to play the improved version at no extra cost. It's just annoying that after ten years of waiting they were okay with letting us play an incomplete game, souring the story for the biggest fans before they got around to fixing it thanks the extra funds we've given them.
It's definitely insulting, but I wouldn't say we're screwed. Unless all they add is cutscenes of course, then everyone is kinda screwed out of a better game since it desperately needs improved gameplay, environments, and exploration for everything from Altissia onwards.
I need to see a source because nowhere in the original Japanese statement stated this
I can now see a future angry thread about the patch wasn't enough to 'change the story', which was never the plan
hydrophilic attack
Member
Wrong. Lots of people care a lot about the story and spend hundreds of hours thinking about it
Wrong. Lots of people play Final Fantasy primarily for the gameplay rather than the story.
Ivory Samoan
Member
OK cool, sounds good to me!
The game is phenomenal, as long as they don't add Libertus from Kingsglaive....I'm good! lol.
RecRoulette
Member
I was excited to pick this up once finals wrapped up. Now...I'm not sure.
This isn't a game I'm going to want to play through twice.
This isn't a game I'm going to want to play through twice.
Smooth Operator
Member
Yeah, you should keep playing the game, maybe it will be easier for you to understand why some people are complaining ?
Darkstorne
Member
Yeah, that's why I wish the story had ended at Leviathan, and extra dev time had gone into an open world for Accordo instead of the rest of the game. They could then pick it up with FFXV-2, and even XV-3 if they needed to. That worked out just fine for Mass Effect.
Because money obviously, I don't even want to imagine how much this game + marketting did cost them.
BossDarkseid
Member
The support is really good, and welcome that it will be free. Don't really agree that it somehow retroactively makes XV incomplete...well I guess it would be if you compare Day 1 to the Final version. Kinda shitty that Tabata and Co have this situation forced upon them, but after spending so long in various stages of development XV was always going to have some sort of issue like this.
Props to the Devs for sticking around to do it though and hopefully SE learn from this in regards to future projects. After Tabata became Director I don't think anyone can blame him for not wanting to do a Trilogy and signing away best part of a decade to someome else's vision. Still sounds like they wish SE had not decided on a 2016 release in 2013.
An extra year would have given them so much time...
Props to the Devs for sticking around to do it though and hopefully SE learn from this in regards to future projects. After Tabata became Director I don't think anyone can blame him for not wanting to do a Trilogy and signing away best part of a decade to someome else's vision. Still sounds like they wish SE had not decided on a 2016 release in 2013.
An extra year would have given them so much time...
DarkLordMalik
Member
Did you miss the memo? All FFs have Oscar worthy story.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Additions are changes by definition. You can't add things without rewriting the script.
Riposte
Member
You seem to understand the basics of why it's a flawed perspective, but you still obsess over the idea of "incompleteness". Just call the game lacking or bad. The future updates/DLC/expansions/ports may make it better (or worse), but that's ultimately a different version of the game. "Completeness" has no inherent value nor does it have an objective basis.