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Gotta have a pc for the hauppage, though. Plus the box is bigger/clunkier.

For portability the LGP looks great. Also nice that while it has hdmi, it takes a component input for PS3.
 
That's what I said. It's beyond easy. I mean it's good quality. It's not like it's utter trash but I'm just making a comparison to a product that is years older that I say looks superior in the capture department.
 
HD PVR is the box (component only, at least my model). AFAIK, LGP is the only one with HDMI/component. Elgato is HDMI/SonyAV.

Nice thing about an external solution is that you're offloading the encoding and your pc is just recording. Helps if you have an older pc. I like my Hauppage a lot, though it's back in a box right now as I don't feel like futzing around with component to HDMI converters on my current setup.

One of the crappy things about next gen is that both consoles will have HDCP on HDMI out (and the xbox one only has HDMI out). There are ways around it but still. I hope the PS4 retains component so we have an HD analog signal option for recording.
 
Beckx said:
HD PVR is the box (component only, at least my model). AFAIK, LGP is the only one with HDMI/component. Elgato is HDMI/SonyAV.

Nice thing about an external solution is that you're offloading the encoding and your pc is just recording. Helps if you have an older pc. I like my Hauppage a lot, though it's back in a box right now as I don't feel like futzing around with component to HDMI converters on my current setup.
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I ended up building a pretty powerful PC in March, so now that I know it could probably handle streaming, I want to try it, that's why I want to find one of the better pieces of hardware for it before I buy anything.

Though if the LGP is still good, I might wait and see if there's another promo code with Spooky or something, and buy one then.
 
Smedwicks said:
So would you recommend the HD PVR over the LGP then? And I'm assuming this is the right HD PVR? There's like four options for it, lol.
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Doesn't do HDMI. I wouldn't spend more than $100 on it.

Jaxel hates the Happauge. I know he tends to have "interesting" opinions in general but he tends to know his stuff when it comes to streaming.

I actually have an LGP but haven't put it to work yet. I primarily use an Intensity Shuttle and it's great in general, but I need to look into alternative solutions because I'm pretty sure that it's too demanding for my USB bus (can't seem to use it in conjunction with multiple cameras, for example).
 
I only recommend it if you are using it for capturing only. But if you are streaming and doing various other things, the LGP is superior. The PVR will need more CPU power to stream than the LGP plus it will be much harder to stream with it from a software standpoint.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
Doesn't do HDMI. I wouldn't spend more than $100 on it.

Jaxel hates the Happauge. I know he tends to have "interesting" opinions in general but he tends to know his stuff when it comes to streaming.

I actually have an LGP but haven't put it to work yet. I primarily use an Intensity Shuttle and it's great in general, but I need to look into alternative solutions because I'm pretty sure that it's too demanding for my USB bus (can't seem to use it in conjunction with multiple cameras, for example).
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Right, I remember (or at least I think I remember) Jaxel recommending the Intensity Shuttle, might look into that a bit more, but at least since I'd probably be doing smaller streams, I can't imagine I would need half the set up that Jaxel or Spooky uses.

Kadey said:
I only recommend it if you are using it for capturing only. But if you are streaming and doing various other things, the LGP is superior. The PVR will need more CPU power to stream than the LGP plus it will be much harder to stream with it from a software standpoint.
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That sounds good, I'll probably end up getting the LGP at some point in the future. It also comes with 3 months of Xsplit Premium, so that's not too bad either.
 
Smedwicks said:
Right, I remember (or at least I think I remember) Jaxel recommending the Intensity Shuttle, might look into that a bit more, but at least since I'd probably be doing smaller streams, I can't imagine I would need half the set up that Jaxel or Spooky uses.
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Here's the things you need to know about the Shuttle if you're considering it:

- It seems to have spotty compatibility. Not only do you need USB 3.0, but it seems that you might need to have a specific *kind* of USB3 chipset to get it to work (Renesas).
- It's only compatible with standard broadcast resolutions (i.e. 1080, 720, 480, NTSC, PAL). Trying to record from anything older than a Dreamcast will probably be a crapshoot. This also tends to be the case with a lot of other capture devices, though, from what I can tell.
- Like I mentioned above, it'll hog the bandwidth on your USB bus. This won't be a problem if you're not using other USB devices simultaneously, but if you're doing a full stream setup with USB cameras and only have one USB hub on your system like I do, this might be a problem.
- It only does up to 720p at 60fps. Can't do 1080p 60fps. This is also the case with most other devices as well, unless you feel like checking out the ~$1000 range devices.

The major advantage of the Shuttle over other options, though, is that it will do uncompressed HD video. USB2 devices (which means basically all other external devices, because I don't know of any other USB3 devices) will always have to make sacrifices because USB2 just isn't fast enough to do uncompressed HD, period. So that means everything else has to do some kind of onboard hardware encoding to the signal before it even reaches your computer, and that means lower quality, possible video lag and sync problems, and the need for specialized software to even get such devices recognized by capture software like XSplit. The Shuttle does not have any of those issues.
 
So is $179.99 for Live Gamer Portable the minimum I can spend? I don't care at all about quality, as long as I can record PS3 input.

Literally, 240p is fine.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
Here's the things you need to know about the Shuttle if you're considering it:

- It seems to have spotty compatibility. Not only do you need USB 3.0, but it seems that you might need to have a specific *kind* of USB3 chipset to get it to work (Renesas).
- It's only compatible with standard broadcast resolutions (i.e. 1080, 720, 480, NTSC, PAL). Trying to record from anything older than a Dreamcast will probably be a crapshoot. This also tends to be the case with a lot of other capture devices, though, from what I can tell.
- Like I mentioned above, it'll hog the bandwidth on your USB bus. This won't be a problem if you're not using other USB devices simultaneously, but if you're doing a full stream setup with USB cameras and only have one USB hub on your system like I do, this might be a problem.
- It only does up to 720p at 60fps. Can't do 1080p 60fps. This is also the case with most other devices as well, unless you feel like checking out the ~$1000 range devices.

The major advantage of the Shuttle over other options, though, is that it will do uncompressed HD video. USB2 devices (which means basically all other external devices, because I don't know of any other USB3 devices) will always have to make sacrifices because USB2 just isn't fast enough to do uncompressed HD, period. So that means everything else has to do some kind of onboard hardware encoding to the signal before it even reaches your computer, and that means lower quality, possible video lag and sync problems, and the need for specialized software to even get such devices recognized by capture software like XSplit. The Shuttle does not have any of those issues.
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Thanks for the notes, definitely will be something to keep in mind. Still probably leaning towards LGP just due to space I have and if it's easy to work with, but if anything I won't be setting any streaming stuff up until a while from now, so I think I still have some time to see.

Parallax Scroll said:
So is $179.99 for Live Gamer Portable the minimum I can spend? I don't care at all about quality, as long as I can record PS3 input.

Literally, 240p is fine.
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At ECT (I'm pretty sure it was ECT) Spooky did a promo code with AverMedia that knocked the price down like 40 bucks, so I'm personally waiting to see something like that before I potentially bite on it.
 
Parallax Scroll said:
So is $179.99 for Live Gamer Portable the minimum I can spend? I don't care at all about quality, as long as I can record PS3 input.

Literally, 240p is fine.
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There have been a number of discount promos for it recently, so if time isn't an issue you might want to wait and see if they run one again between now and CEO.
 
Parallax Scroll said:
So is $179.99 for Live Gamer Portable the minimum I can spend? I don't care at all about quality, as long as I can record PS3 input.

Literally, 240p is fine.
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There's been a couple of sales where its $120-130 on Amazon. Spooky usually promotes those.

If you're in Canada it's regularly on sale on NCIX for $150.
 
Parallax Scroll said:
Is LGP literally the first device that's ever been able to record PS3 input? I will buy anything that records from PS3 if it's cheaper.
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- Anything that accepts component input can record the PS3.
- I know there are other USB2 devices that come with specialized cables for the PS3, but I don't recall the specific models off the top of my head. These are usually listed in the device specs on product webpages.
- HDCP strippers exist. This is what I use.
 
Parallax Scroll said:
Is LGP literally the first device that's ever been able to record PS3 input? I will buy anything that records from PS3 if it's cheaper.
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No. Elgato and Hauppauge do, among others. Anything that accepts a component input (or in Elgato's case, the PS3 AV cable) will record from PS3.

Your particular issue is needing to be PC-free. Unfortunately the LGP is the only one I know of, and $179 is not the true cost b/c you will need an SD card to store the videos.

If you can lug around a laptop you can get the Elgato which will save you $20 and the cost of the SD card.

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Sixfortyfive, any idea if the stripper adds input lag, or does it mess with the signal? I have learned to hate component to HDMI converters b/c they screw with the signal (odd vertical stripes at the edge of the picture, other artifacts).
 
Beckx said:
No. Elgato and Hauppauge do, among others. Anything that accepts a component input (or in Elgato's case, the PS3 AV cable) will record from PS3.

Your particular issue is needing to be PC-free. Unfortunately the LGP is the only one I know of, and $179 is not the true cost b/c you will need an SD card to store the videos.

If you can lug around a laptop you can get the Elgato which will save you $20 and the cost of the SD card.

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Sixfortyfive, any idea if the stripper adds input lag, or does it mess with the signal? I have learned to hate component to HDMI converters b/c they screw with the signal (odd vertical stripes at the edge of the picture, other artifacts).
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Thanks for the info.
 
Beckx said:
Sixfortyfive, any idea if the stripper adds input lag, or does it mess with the signal? I have learned to hate component to HDMI converters b/c they screw with the signal (odd vertical stripes at the edge of the picture, other artifacts).
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I dunno if it lags at all because I've never used it on the same output line as the primary display, so I've never had to worry about it. The worst I can say about that particular little box is that the audio output on the HDMI is fucked up, but the dedicated 3.5mm audio jack is fine. No issues with video.

Yeah, digital->analog converters and vice versa are a crapshoot. Your choice is between cheap Chinese crap with horrible video quality or expensive stuff like HDFury. Just not worth it imo.
 
Beckx said:
No. Elgato and Hauppauge do, among others. Anything that accepts a component input (or in Elgato's case, the PS3 AV cable) will record from PS3.

Your particular issue is needing to be PC-free. Unfortunately the LGP is the only one I know of, and $179 is not the true cost b/c you will need an SD card to store the videos.

If you can lug around a laptop you can get the Elgato which will save you $20 and the cost of the SD card.

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Sixfortyfive, any idea if the stripper adds input lag, or does it mess with the signal? I have learned to hate component to HDMI converters b/c they screw with the signal (odd vertical stripes at the edge of the picture, other artifacts).
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I have a laptop, but not a desktop PC. If that opens up any capture options for PS3 I'd be interested in that.
 
Never understood why the Soul Calibur series wasn't more popular.


A lot of the complaints I hear about fighting games on the internet have to do with being

- juggled for a long time
-combos going on so long that you don't feel like you are playing
-time outs

Soul Calibur doesn't do any of these. It's the 3D equivalent to Super Turbo in the sense that it's very basic game to learn but hard to master. But it's not that popular even though it sells pretty well.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming...o-bandai-stays-healthy-in-the-console-market/

Tekken Tag Tournament 2 and Soul Calibur V were the stars of Namco Bandai’s lineup. Tekken Tag Tournament 2 racked up 1.35 million in sales across the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, and Nintendo Wii U. Namco Bandai also sold 870,000 copies of Soul Calibur V over the period, bringing that game’s total up 1.56 million copies. What’s most impressive is that Soul Calibur V continues to steadily sell. Based on Namco’s earnings report for the July through September quarter, Soul Calibur V sold 180,000 copies over the holiday. Impressive for a game that had been out for almost a year and had zero marketing.
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When I in college I played the shit out of soul calibur 2. I would carry a copy of the game, a memory card and a PS2 controller with me everywhere I went. Everyone had the same system back then because PS2 was so dominant, that's all you really needed. I'd always be looking for someone to play against.

I always imagined that with bigger tournaments and new games that SC would have been crazy popular.So where are all these people who bought this game? More then a million people! Do they not show up to tournaments, the turnouts are always really small.
anyway, there's nothing really like it and it solves almost all the complaints I hear about fighting games on the internet. The netcode in 5 is pretty good too.
 
Parallax Scroll said:
I have a laptop, but not a desktop PC. If that opens up any capture options for PS3 I'd be interested in that.
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Check these out:

Elgato ($159, just need a Sony AV cable, many recommend this)

Roxio (terrible reviews, software seems to be a problem, has component inputs, it's only $118). Checking related products shows an even cheaper ($65) Roxio product.

Both are portable in size and if your laptop will run their software you're good to go.

And here's a $20 one that's SD only. Needs a composite connection (you'll need that PS3 cable). But as you search around you'll see that as you drop in price you start seeing a lot more reviews of people who can't the hardware to work at all.
 
Beckx said:
Check these out:

Elgato ($159, just need a Sony AV cable, many recommend this)

Roxio (terrible reviews, software seems to be a problem, has component inputs, it's only $118). Checking related products shows an even cheaper ($65) Roxio product.

Both are portable in size and if your laptop will run their software you're good to go.

And here's a $20 one that's SD only. Needs a composite connection (you'll need that PS3 cable). But as you search around you'll see that as you drop in price you start seeing a lot more reviews of people who can't the hardware to work at all.
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Mine came with the cable.
 
FlyFaster said:
Never understood why the Soul Calibur series wasn't more popular.
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Soul Calibur series IS popular, just not among the competitive fighting game players. Most players just don't take the series very seriously. Much of it has to do with the direction the series went after SCII:

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FlyFaster said:
Never understood why the Soul Calibur series wasn't more popular.
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When I take over Namco, the first thing I do is go back to Soul Blade, bring Li Long back from the dead, and add more Japanese metal tunes. Then we'll see what happens to popularity.
 
scytheavatar said:
Soul Calibur series IS popular, just not among the competitive fighting game players. Most players just don't take the series very seriously. Much of it has to do with the direction the series went after SCII:

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At UFGT the side tournament was so small. Just 2 consoles for it. It's a fun game so idk why people don't stick with it. I heard SCV was really good, too.
 
Kenneth said:
At UFGT the side tournament was so small. Just 2 consoles for it. It's a fun game so idk why people don't stick with it. I heard SCV was really good, too.
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SC5 is good. I also loved SC4. They are trying different things but the core game is there and it's enjoyable. online is pretty smooth too.



edit: on the picture, I've seen it before but that kind of stuff doesn't bother me too much. It's in a fantasy setting there are monsters and magic and immortals and vampires... some breasts, meh... comes with the territory. While I did think the sophitia costumes in 4 was sexy I would prefer it on her SC3 body, 4 was alittle crazy but oh well, let's chalk it up to "artistic vision" ;p
 
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