qualitydisc
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Now I'm imagining Noctis holding a broom and a dripping sponge.
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Now I'm imagining Noctis holding a broom and a dripping sponge.
Do we have the slightest context for what this means? Nojima finished writing a story outline, the entire script was finalized, or what? It's hard to believe the story was set in stone in 2010, when the game was clearly so far from coming together. Game writing happens alongside all the other elements of game development, and it doesn't seem like much was getting done with Versus XIII at all.
Nojima being the writer for Versus XIII has struck me as an illusion for quite some time. My impression is he created the overall mythos, collaborated with Nomura in coming up with the various themes and concepts that would dominate the story, perhaps fleshed out a number of scenes, and otherwise has been mostly focused on other projects. I can't imagine that, as Versus XIII was in development hell, Nojima had a role within the team that would be conducive toward both writing and implementing a video game story. The infrastructure wasn't there.
I liked Crisis core with him in the directorial chair(even though it was nojima's script and plot for that game)
So to see Type 0 as the mess that it was(it had 3 writers) and what 15 is turning into is turning out to be a real buzzkill
NoctisVsStar
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Nomura should do a "Bloodborne" inspired Versus once he's done with FF7r. A spiritual successor to versus. It's the only way to keep people sane.
Oh I'm definitely buying and playing this game, after following it for 9+ years I want to know how good or bad it'll end up being.
But after the last two ATR's I really think SE should have turned Versus into a CG movie ala Advent Children and let Tabata make XV from scratch with his own ideas and team.
He should do Final Fantasy Versus XV
I'd be down for Stella getting resurrected as the protagonist of her own game.
/daydreaming
ArkhamFantasy
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Yes, absolutely.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Some issue of Dengeki or Famitsu 7 years ago.
Perfect Cha0s
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I'd rather they just give him XV-2 once he's done with FFVIIr. Given how off the goddamn walls the XIII trilogy went, just let him do whatever he wants with it. I doubt that will happen though.
Nah, you're good. They're the ones that said this was the start of a marketing push or whatever. If any posters are off base, it's the ones going "OMG SO NEGATIVE". I'm honestly how many lists are exactly that.
You reap what you sew, guys. Fair is fair.
LouisaFerre
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Oh I'm definitely buying and playing this game, after following it for 9+ years I want to know how good or bad it'll end up being.
But after the last two ATR's I really think SE should have turned Versus into a CG movie ala Advent Children and let Tabata make XV from scratch with his own ideas and team.
He should do Final Fantasy Versus XV
You know I always liked the idea of actually making Versus it's own series, where directors would make their own interpretation of what the corresponding mainline entry should have been. On a smaller budget, of course.
UberTag
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I'm tempering my expectations accordingly and expecting the finished product to wind up somewhere in the upper 60s-low 70s on the Metacritic scale where both Lightning Returns and Final Fantasy Type-0 HD wound up.
I don't believe matching XIII-2's lofty score of 79 is a realistic expectation. Would still love to be surprised, though.
Megidolaon
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I liked Regis' old design better, he looked more unique. And while I thought him hugging lil Noctis was cute I see why people were disappointed, it took up half the trailer and not much new was shown.
But parent/child relationships are always welcome. Not focused on enough in JRPGs.
But parent/child relationships are always welcome. Not focused on enough in JRPGs.
The story was done, the actual development on the game was set back because of mismanagement between development teams. Its nothing hard. Nojima created the FNC mythos, but Versus was supposed to be a script he was collaborating with Nomura on
Sure I'll take my Final Fantasy XV-2 with a time travel plot that lets me play through the original Versus XIII plot after defeating Luna the evil time sorceress.
Thanks Nomura.
Me too! I would be so down for that. I know we barely knew anything about Stella but the scene with her and Noctis drew me to VsXIII...I should just let it go but I can't.
Cow Mengde
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Wait wait wait! They changed the combat?! I must have missed that part.
Sure. Maybe I'll like it, maybe not but really I just want to get this thing over with so the remnants of Fabula Nova Crystallis are a thing of the series' past.
Makoto Yuki
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The original combat looked like Kingdom Hearts, the one in the demo isn't.
Cow Mengde
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If there footage of the demo? I saw a quick gif but I missed most of it cause I was at work.
There's plenty of duscae demo footage
Fingers crossed for Ito's return.
vainglorious
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Yeah right. We're getting Toriyama again.
OmegaSmash
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Yet they feel the need to change it, why?
It almost has to be, right? The director of 6, 9 and 12 and effectively the creator of Tactics can't just disappear, right???
Because its not Nomura and Nojima's game anymore. Its not Versus.
It hasn't been theirs for a while.
My question is, why try and funnel remnants into a different project when you could have just started a new project from scratch to begin with?
Blood Diamonds
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People would have lost their shit
You already invested time and money into the other stuff. Those assets need to go somewhere or its all a waste.
vainglorious
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Thanks for digging through the archives and dredging up some context for us but... I don't get it. If that's the case how does black haired girl not have a name or defined role yet.
I also want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they were being sheepish about the villain comment as well but given the development history here... Yeah.
Wonder if the script back then encompassed only one game or did it span multiple games, considering the re-reveal 3 years ago had Nomura talk about doing sequels to XV.
Megidolaon
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Damn, I wish this was still Nomura's project. But he can only direct so many things I guess and every major title it seems they need him on like KH3 and FF7. He's really shouldering a lot at SE.
magwizsorc
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A Final Fantasy : Ground Zeroes wouldn't be so bad in my mind. A bunch of good quests, a dungeon, a fun boss, and a nice sized town.
OmegaSmash
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Maybe because she might've been added inXV and she wasn't in Versus? That still doesn't excuse them not even having an internal name for her though.
Go_Ly_Dow
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As much as I would love for Nomura to still be director we already have an example of this not being the case.
Firstly the the driver in 2011 trailer was Cor and in the 2013 FFXV trailer he was changed. I think even under Nomura we would have seen notable changes made to accommodate the games transition in to a full fledged numbered FF title.
vainglorious
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I'm pretty sure they were considering an episodic structure as well to get the game out faster - and as a result the scope of the game was much much smaller? Obviously that wouldn't translate well to a full fledged main numbered game and maybe we're over estimating what was usable before the switch to 15 and the subsequent need to expand the game's scope and content.
Episode Duscae is that. There's a lot to do in it, and it's a lot of fun the first time through. Adding Lestallum would've been nice, but for all intents and purposes Duscae captures most of the core FFXV experience just like GZ did for MGSV.
Go_Ly_Dow
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In truth no one honestly really knows lol.
The problem with today was that the game had yet another cryptic and unclear PR media session after 9 years.
We all came in expecting a substantial trailer and pieces of info and instead its just more very minor snippets of conceptual information that leaves people second guessing and going mad.
It was never episodic, Nomura always wanted a Final Fantasy action spinoff series.
Originally versus was going to at-least be a series of games (my guess 3)
Like he couldn't tell some bullshit like Tabata does.
It was my understanding that she's new to 15, and not apart of the original Versus scenario
When I first heard about Versus becoming XV I felt a light of hope for the series considering the catastrophe that the XIII trilogy was.
Now I'm really afraid they won't be able to keep half of the promises and we will get another game with no depth, lack of content and shallow storyline. Another failure like that and it will most likely bury the Final Fantasy name.
It appears to me that Square is trying to do too much at the same time. As much as I love Final Fantasy VII and the idea of it getting a remake, they should have first focused on FFXV and devoted its resources to deliver a game that would once again put the brand at the top.
Of course there may still be hope, there's time, but seeing how things are evolving so far... They promise something and then it seems when they hit the first wall trying to do that thing, they instead of working more into it, they simply change the game (including storyline) to make things easier for the development and this is downgrading the game idea in such ways that there may not be way to do something decent.
Now I'm really afraid they won't be able to keep half of the promises and we will get another game with no depth, lack of content and shallow storyline. Another failure like that and it will most likely bury the Final Fantasy name.
It appears to me that Square is trying to do too much at the same time. As much as I love Final Fantasy VII and the idea of it getting a remake, they should have first focused on FFXV and devoted its resources to deliver a game that would once again put the brand at the top.
Of course there may still be hope, there's time, but seeing how things are evolving so far... They promise something and then it seems when they hit the first wall trying to do that thing, they instead of working more into it, they simply change the game (including storyline) to make things easier for the development and this is downgrading the game idea in such ways that there may not be way to do something decent.
MagnaderAlpha
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As long as they JUST hire him to direct the events, but input very little to the actual story(which is probably a foolish dream), sure. Get Nojima to write the story, get Kitase to supervise it(and add in concepts, cause I trust him), hell, get Nomura's input. Keep Toriyama and Watanabe away from scenario and character development. Still, I'd kill for Kitase to make a return. He's the real deal. If you can't have Sakaguchi(TSW aside, was probably one of the best leaders at Square), he's probably the next best thing, edging Itou out solely because Itou's more of a gameplay guy, while Kitase's more of a story guy.
It's funny, I recall Tabata saying he wants to be remembered and hailed as a great for the work he's doing on FFXV. At this pace, that ain't gonna happen. And as I said elsewhere, I don't think Tabata's cut out for handling such a big project. Matsuno, the master, couldn't even cut it.
vainglorious
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I am convinced I read an interview with Nomura discussing an episodic structure with more story and content released in future episodes as DLC.
Kagari help!
I'd almost accept that reasoning if they didn't change the character designs (and the models) all the time. I mean they apparently cut Regis's Roen suit as well and I imagine that this design alone cost them a lot of money.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Google this article : Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen
I didin't read all the comments here, maybe the reason was already been posted in this thread.
I didin't read all the comments here, maybe the reason was already been posted in this thread.
He was talking about sequels in 2013.
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