If the suspect was arrested yes, If he was just being questioned. Then no.
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Florida Man questioned in Boston Marathon bombing shot, killed by FBI
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If the suspect was arrested yes, If he was just being questioned. Then no.
Every single movie where the bad guy seems secure. So it definitely happened.
ChainedMaster
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...cts-friend-ibrahim-todashev-shot-dead-by-fbi/
According to this, it happened in his apartment, and the FBI agent was also injured. And this article is hours old. You're slipping, GAF.
Nevermind, it was updated 20 minutes ago.
According to this, it happened in his apartment, and the FBI agent was also injured. And this article is hours old. You're slipping, GAF.
Nevermind, it was updated 20 minutes ago.
empty vessel
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"Miller reported that the FBI went to Todashev's apartment complex after midnight Wednesday morning to question him."
Why the fuck were the FBI approaching people after midnight?
See You Next Wednesday
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They probably tried to play hard ball/intimidation tactics on him & he didn't bite, but punched instead.
GoldenEye 007
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Maybe they should wait until after he had a good nights sleep and breakfast when questioning people possibly involved with a murder and terrorist act.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What if he liked to sleep in?
Spike Spiegel
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Could be that he worked the overnight shift somewhere. Sleep all day, get up and work into the AM hours.
Something Wicked
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The guy was a murderer and tried to murder an FBI agent, so the conspiracy theorists and terrorist apologists can go home now. Good to hear there's one less asshole on this planet.
empty vessel
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He said without knowing anything about what happened.
Valjean Lafitte
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Man, I hate conspiracies. I am completely trusting of my government and all of its federal agencies! They are righteous soldiers of justice who only every do right and are never deceitful.
I mean, an an armed FBI agent shooting a man to death in his home after hours of interrogation? Not suspicious at all! He must have been a murderous scumbag...its the only possible explanation, the FBI always knows it was doing, Big Brother looks out for us, God bless the USA, etc...
I mean, an an armed FBI agent shooting a man to death in his home after hours of interrogation? Not suspicious at all! He must have been a murderous scumbag...its the only possible explanation, the FBI always knows it was doing, Big Brother looks out for us, God bless the USA, etc...
Wrong.
empty vessel
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It is exceedingly rare for anybody being consensually interviewed by police to wind up dead. Unless you're suggesting police are incredibly incompetent across the board. Are you?
As if that stops you, as well.
I haven't said anything that suggests I know what happened. Because I don't. I do know that something went ridiculously wrong for a man who consents to be interviewed by police to be shot dead during said interview.
Can you explain the motivation, if you are suggesting that it wasn't just a mistake/incompetence?
I think the facts we know, make this look horrible for the FBI. Visiting folks after midnight, and then shooting them (Being unaware how dangerous they are, yet.. there at midnight..etc..fearing for my life, blah blah)
Its a bit sad that this can happen to people, and there is absolutely no substance behind the information. How does this happen? Cant wait to not ever know..
You're never going to know the motivation, but that doesn't mean that this entire thing is something I wouldn't want happening to me, or anyone else. You can't just shoot people like this, and I imagine the FBI has procedures they follow when interrogating people at midnight, else they would always shoot people for fear of being struck.
Its like they walk in and turn their back to the subject, and ask questions.
"Rare" is not "never".
It is "rare" for police to fire their guns in the line of duty in the first place.
chickdigger802
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I don't think questioning transitioning to knife fight is that common either... but I guess depending on what part of town.
empty vessel
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This is extraordinarily weak cross-examination. Never never means never. It's used to emphasize rarity. But, to humor me, can you link me to an example of police killing an individual during a consensual interview?
I've now seen mixed reports about the time. One article said the interview was pre-scheduled for 7:30 pm. But regardless of that, it still appears the shooting occurred after midnight, which if it began at 7:30 raises questions about what was happening for 4+ hours.
Doing stuff like signing confessions right then and there at the suspects apartment sounds a little weird. Shouldn't be a lawyer around for that?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
There aren't enough details to convict the FBI guy yet.
Dude Abides
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This is very peculiar. I hope pointing that out does not make me an un-American traitor.
"This seems to be a giant fuck up by the FBI."
empty vessel
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Seems to be. Dead guy during consensual interview = fuck up, even if it was legitimately in self-defense.
ChainedMaster
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Clearly that's what makes him crazy, not coming at an agent with a knife.
I'm inclined to believe that agent shot him with intent to kill. Being from Boston does the agent no favors. Sad, but I imagine his emotions were high.
"Never" means never.
If you did not mean "never", you should not have used that word.
Ian Bush.
To which you will reply "Aha! that wasn't a consensual interview!"
To which I will reply "irrelevant to the point of the argument. Stump's post articulated when it is justified to shoot someone who is being questioned, which is when they present a violent outburst to the officer that requires such a use of force. You said that never happens, to which I took issue. Ian Bush applies, in my opinion, as he was in the process of being released when he had his violent outburst."
And of course, generally speaking, people have unexpected violent outbursts towards the police all of the time. It is not automatically a sign of police "fucking up."
Deified Data
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Edit: Nevermind
Seems odd that they were interviewing him for something so serious in his own apartment.
Seems odd that they were interviewing him for something so serious in his own apartment.
empty vessel
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Oh please.
It's not an example of what I asked for (although it is also a fuck up). I guess it never happens.
Emerson
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Sir please remove your knife from my abdomen I am beginning to feel threatened.
trineo_feo
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LOL first thought that came to mind, its Rubio from the future!! He was here to warn us about something big coming!!
you're assuming massive insurgencies or gigantic, top-down conspiracies. not intra-departmental rogue cells who would have limited numbers, and reach, and information. You guys suck at conspiracies. Who works for who? Who knows what? Etc. Etc. Have fun with it.
I have to guess the FBI would consider this a fuckup. In the old days of the bureau, an agent wouldn't hesitate to shoot you, no. But he wouldn't hesitate to kick your ass either. They needed this guy for information. It was just bizarre to hear about this.
A bit iffy on where this fits along the timeline, but perhaps this is what caused Tamerlan to "learn" more about his religion and heritage and set him on the path of radicalizing with the help of William Plotnikov (who is linked to Tamerlan and Todashev via some MMA forum known as Sherdog?) i'm also curious to see if his wife knew about his involvement.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...e-fbi-kill-an-unarmed-man-and-clam-up/276369/
A pretty good summary of the evolving explanations as to what happened. I guess the FBI guy thought he was going for the dull ornate sword mounted on the wall or something
A pretty good summary of the evolving explanations as to what happened. I guess the FBI guy thought he was going for the dull ornate sword mounted on the wall or something
POWERSPHERE
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Doesn't stop a bullet
Deified Data
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Maninthemirror
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Cops covering anothers ass IS misdirection. Not armed with anything and shot. Convenient.
Deified Data
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...following hours of questioning, after being left alone with the man who shot him. I'm not going to make any assumptions, but this is definitely ominous.
Joel Was Right
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The agent fired several shots at Mr. Todashev, striking him and knocking him backward. But Mr. Todashev again charged at the agent. The agent fired several more shots at Mr. Todashev, killing him. The detective in the room did not fire his weapon, the official said.
Under the F.B.I.s guidelines, agents can fire a gun at someone if they feel the person is a threat to them or someone else. The episode is being reviewed by a team of F.B.I. investigators who specialize in shootings and by the district attorney in Orlando, the official said.
At the news conference in Moscow, the elder Mr. Todashev said his son had been interrogated for eight hours in his home on the day of the shooting because he had refused to report to an official building for what would have been a third round of questioning. He said that judging from his sons wounds, he had been shot seven times, including once on the crown of his head.
Under the F.B.I.s guidelines, agents can fire a gun at someone if they feel the person is a threat to them or someone else. The episode is being reviewed by a team of F.B.I. investigators who specialize in shootings and by the district attorney in Orlando, the official said.
At the news conference in Moscow, the elder Mr. Todashev said his son had been interrogated for eight hours in his home on the day of the shooting because he had refused to report to an official building for what would have been a third round of questioning. He said that judging from his sons wounds, he had been shot seven times, including once on the crown of his head.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/u...e-attacked-fbi-agent.html?_r=0&pagewanted=all
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