nature boy
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They lost to Ecuador 2-0 in their home game. 2015 though.
South American qualifiers are crazy long
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Football Thread 2017/18 |OT2| Fractured but Ox
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They lost to Ecuador 2-0 in their home game. 2015 though.
South American qualifiers are crazy long
I didnt expect Argentina to draw today. hahahahhahahaha
they NEED to win the next match. Gonna be fun if they dont qualify while having Messi in the squad.
If they draw they can only be above Peru (if Peru loses), but Paraguay is probably winning against Venezuela so bye bye Argentina. I dont think Brazil will let Chile win, so if Argentina wins they are probably 4th, but might even finish in the 5th position.
they NEED to win the next match. Gonna be fun if they dont qualify while having Messi in the squad.
If they draw they can only be above Peru (if Peru loses), but Paraguay is probably winning against Venezuela so bye bye Argentina. I dont think Brazil will let Chile win, so if Argentina wins they are probably 4th, but might even finish in the 5th position.
Oveja Negra
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This is so incredible, we (Chile) were 6th prior to all these matches and now we are 3rd. MADNESS, PURE MADNESS.
The worst part? during those last matches, everything will change in a way that NOBODY can predict.
Just thinking about all the possible results gives me a headache (and a pre heart attack).
The worst part? during those last matches, everything will change in a way that NOBODY can predict.
Just thinking about all the possible results gives me a headache (and a pre heart attack).
Oveja Negra
Member
I admit I haven't watched a single minute of NZ, are they good?
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
People keep talking about how Messi is let down by his team mates but dude struck the post. Hes just as culpable as the rest.
Except Romero. Romero deserves a better NT.
Except Romero. Romero deserves a better NT.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Its his last real chance to win it. Dude will be 35 in Qatar and Argentina shows no generational relay.
McMoneyman
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Tbh the only players I know in their squad is Winston Reid of West Ham and Chris Wood of Burnley. They're good players, but I doubt New Zeeland stands a chance.
At least the last match Ecuador will be the home team so no more of this nonsense of "Boca or River" that has no place in the national team.
To be fair, under different coaches Dybala never really did anything on the national team.
This the national team, not a club. The journalists that'd likely miss the world cup, well that's another story.
There're players that could be material in the future if they don't throw them into the fire in these matches.
To be fair, under different coaches Dybala never really did anything on the national team.
This the national team, not a club. The journalists that'd likely miss the world cup, well that's another story.
There're players that could be material in the future if they don't throw them into the fire in these matches.
Oveja Negra
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I think Ecuador will beat Argentina, for these reasons:
- Argentina is not showing a great football.
- The pressure they will feel above their shoulders is something that it can't be described. In this very same moment people is destroying the team in every damn newspaper comment section.
- They will play in a city with a shit ton of meters above the sea level and humidity, and Argentina's players always, always have a hard time playing well in those conditions.
- I think Brasil will beat us. Maybe if there's a planetary alignment we can manage to tie.
- Perú vs Colombia will be another heart attack inducing match.
- Most probably Paraguay will beat Venezuela.
No idea either tbh, lol
Because he hit the post & was unlucky? lol
Did you not see all the clear-chances Messi created?
Oveja Negra
Member
Unlucky? So just like Biglia, Benedetto, "Papu" Gomez, Rigoni, hell even Mascherano was unlucky based on that. And that was on this match alone.
Hes unlucky because his teammates can't finish any of the chances he serves them on a silver platter.
Oveja Negra
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I kinda agree, while I do think Messi is victim of the pressure too and because of that a lot of times he doesn't perform at his peak, the rest of the team, as a whole, explains a lot why he doesn't succeed with his NT.
I would agree he's unlucky if that was the whole story, but the reality is that he isn't the only one who creates chances, he doesn't score his chances either and appears to run out of gas when he has to do a free kick or a corner kick.
But of course now Higuaín isn't here to blame and likely is laughing his ass at home.
I mean, he isnt the only one who creates, but he definitely created the best chances today: I counted around 8 & 3 of them were probably qualified as big chances. If he didnt have major bottlers up front, those wouldve gone in. Benedetto alone missed three of those Im pretty sure
Youre right that he probably doesnt take as many clean shots as he does for Barca. Think Sampaoli addressed that before the game, that Messi has dropped too deep & isnt in the good goalscoring positions. Just burdens himself with too much of the creativity & tries to be the main passer.
Edit: that video sums today up, https://twitter.com/busqxets2/status/916122658705690624
Yeah, this definitely isnt Messi at his best. Probably took the worst shot Ive ever seen today. Think he just tries to do too much & isnt in the positions he needs to be, or is usually at for Barca.
Alexis has the same habits as well
Sampaoli is tripping with the same stone that others had before(and he's already done it more than once) in which they don't realize that Messi ends up going down because they mark him differently than how he's marked in Europe(key word is different not neccesarily better), seeing how for several years we've been told that the game should move around him, considering the whole marking issue it ends up being counterproductive, because it results with Messi too far from the box, in addition to Messi somewhat hogging the ball a little too much on the national team(he isn't the worst offender of this though) however when he passes the ball there's a multitude of players upfront the ball might end up going back to him and so on in an endless circle until an eventual chance comes up either by him or anybody else not aided by the fact that it would seem that anybody that tries to score on the national team gets cursed. Back to Sampaoli, not just himself but people doesn't realize that playing bunker in South America tends to be more effective than in Europe, and that happens to Argentina in the majority of the matches in the qualifiers, hell even Brazil at home did that for a little while at the beginning of the match, but as the match ended 3-0 that ended up being somewhat forgotten, yet if even for a few minutes Brazil at home did that then chances are the majority of the teams will. I believe there could be a sollution if Messi is willing to spend less time being the passer and creator and simply just carry the mark away, that MIGHT work. Although in general could be concluded that all these players don't play as a team for the most part.
C.Ronaldo unquestionably becomes the best player of his generation. On par with goals and assists (812), Messi has 5 Ballon dOr and 3 Champions League trophies, and Ronaldo has 4 Ballon dOr and 4 Champions League trophies. But Ronaldo has a national trophy against top level teams (none of that weak Olympic garbage).
Conveniently left out that Messi did that in 155 less games I see, or that he nearly single handeldy carried Argentina to the WC finals. Neat.
Regardless, no, this by no means that Ronaldo unquestionably becomes the best. Its convenient to say now, but no.
AcademicSaucer
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If Peru wins against Colombia 1-0 , Brazil wins against Chile 2-0 or more, Argentina loses in Quito and Paraguay wins against Venezuela both Chile and Argentina will be out of the World Cup
CMojicaAce
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Time for some USA drama today?
nature boy
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In 4 days (10th October)
RocknRola
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I agree that Europe should have less teams in the WC but I wouldnt add more SA teams. More African+Asian teams would be the way to go Imo.
LegendofDragoonLives
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lol what? Messi wasn't even the best player in that team, but unfortunately his dick was jammed too far into FIFA's mouth for anyone to notice. Or rather how they make more money by Ronaldo/Messi being the beneficiary to everything. That team won due to an elite defense, Messi had some nice playmaking moments here and there. It was the worst best player of the tournament win I've ever seen. That team won due to an elite defense. Dude scored ZERO goals in the knock out stages. Zero. Zero.
McMoneyman
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https://twitter.com/scoutdesk/status/915893642891423745
Subtitles of what the players were saying at Nou Camp with no audience.
Ohh Suarez... lol.
Subtitles of what the players were saying at Nou Camp with no audience.
Ohh Suarez... lol.
RocknRola
Member
Didnt see that one coming... well he did an awesome job a few years ago, hopefully hell do it again!
Oveja Negra
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Even if Paraguay wins 1-0?
If so, damn... this looks extremely complicated for us (Chile)
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Fucking Suárez LMAO
LegendofDragoonLives
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Even the refs know lol
By the way, Kimmich leading assists with 8 in the World Cup qualifiers. <3
I just hope he gets our defence back to Guardiola levels, then even this terribly bad build and overaged squad might win something.
lmfao, that is a nice conspiracy, Ill give you that.lol what? Messi wasn't even the best player in that team, but unfortunately his dick was jammed too far into FIFA's mouth for anyone to notice. Or rather how they make more money by Ronaldo/Messi being the beneficiary to everything. That team won due to an elite defense, Messi had some nice playmaking moments here and there. It was the worst best player of the tournament win I've ever seen. That team won due to an elite defense. Dude scored ZERO goals in the knock out stages. Zero. Zero.
Nice playmaking moments? The guy created the most clear cut chances in that tourney as well. He also assisted the game winning goal vs Belgium in the knockouts
Argentina struggled to get past that group stages, let alone the knockout stages. Without Messis crucial 4 goals & 3 MotM performances, they wouldnt even have gotten out. Thata simply a fact.
LegendofDragoonLives
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It's not a conspiracy, (FIFA) they get more cash the more revered both of them are. Nobody gives a fuck about the group stage except for embarrassing Messi stans like yourself. If you would have written "remember how x player killed in the champions league group stage" in specific year to state how great they were throughout the tourney, you would have had people posting gifs laugh at how stupid that shit sounds.
Messi played really overall but wasn't the best player or anywhere near the top 5 (Mascherano was the best Argentian player).
Dude had Bayern playing much better D with Dante leading that team than Pep. Dante -_-
Argentina is shit as it depends too much on Messi. And also, because the only good player from Argentina is their frontline while the defender and midfielder is trash.
If Argentina wanted to grow stronger, they should start slowing down on how much they can depend on Messi and start to remember than Football is played by 11 player.
If Argentina wanted to grow stronger, they should start slowing down on how much they can depend on Messi and start to remember than Football is played by 11 player.
Yeah, you keep going with that then
Nobody gives a fuck about the group stages in a world cup? That's a new one. Messi was also brilliant vs Belgium, but let's just dismiss that, eh. Context is probably key here, since ya know, without his goals they wouldn't have reached the quarters.
What's actually embarrassing is you honestly believing he wasn't a top 5 player in that tourney. I mean, really? Mascherano was consistent all throughout for sure though, but Messi was still more important overall.
Edit: https://twitter.com/FCBarcelona/status/916236157318549504
Manes red card was still harsh imo
Bollocks was it.
Though I seem to remember someone wanting the ref to be the one going off on a stretcher "the cunt". So simply disagreeing with the decision is mild.
McMoneyman
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When our season started to tailspin! :/
