Kabuki Waq
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so umm what language was the bible in originally?
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Yeah, I grew up in NY, obviously. 
What I meant about it being "arbitrary" was not that different schools can't have different standards for what constitutes "being disruptive" (because of course it would vary from school to school in many instances), but rather that in none of those cases should those standards be allowed to conflict with law/legal precedent, particularly where first amendment rights are concerned. In other words, one school can define "disruptive" as speaking out excessively when not called upon, and another can define it strictly as physical violence/disturbance, such as pushing over a desk or something; in no case should they be allowed to define "disruptive" as "abstaining from the pledge", however. If it is the case that they are currently allowed to do so, then I feel that needs to be remedied by law, as it is an infringement of first amendment rights.
What I meant about it being "arbitrary" was not that different schools can't have different standards for what constitutes "being disruptive" (because of course it would vary from school to school in many instances), but rather that in none of those cases should those standards be allowed to conflict with law/legal precedent, particularly where first amendment rights are concerned. In other words, one school can define "disruptive" as speaking out excessively when not called upon, and another can define it strictly as physical violence/disturbance, such as pushing over a desk or something; in no case should they be allowed to define "disruptive" as "abstaining from the pledge", however. If it is the case that they are currently allowed to do so, then I feel that needs to be remedied by law, as it is an infringement of first amendment rights.
Pudding Tame
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The teacher should have just asked the kid what the official language of the U.S. is. That would have shut him up.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Minotauro said:
Him waiting doesn't mean she is.
Let me clarify my original point a bit. The history of the word "Indian" really doesn't matter one way or the other. Aside from the fact that there are conflicting stories regarding the true roots of the word, I was really just using that to point out that there is no negative connotation associated with it. Like "African American", "Native American" is just another example of political correctness trying to whitewash (pardon the pun) over words which are in no way negative. I just feel that "Native American" in particular is degrading considering the circumstances. This might just be me being a bit touchy though.
Also, it should be mentioned, the term isn't 100% accurate when referring to Indians. In addition to them, Alaskan natives, native Hawaiians, and Pacific Islanders are all classified under the title "Native Americans."
Also, it should be mentioned, the term isn't 100% accurate when referring to Indians. In addition to them, Alaskan natives, native Hawaiians, and Pacific Islanders are all classified under the title "Native Americans."
THE EYE said:
I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make with this statement. As far as I can tell, it's completely irrelevant to my post. I was simply saying that using "Native Americans" to refer specifically to Indians isn't accurate because the term also includes other groups.
Hitokage said:
I was thinking more along the lines of "African American" replacing "black". "Nigger" definitely carries a negative meaning. You would have a point if I was advocating abondoning "Native American" is favor of "savage" or "injun".
Hitkage said:
Okay, how about "American Indian"? Looking around the internet, that seems to be the one they prefer. It kinda contradicts my original hangup but if they themselves don't have a problem with it, I guess it's silly for me to have one.
I was referring to the "damn political correctness" sentiment. Heaven forbid we actually drop stupid terms.
Also, even if your "Un gente in Dios" yarn was accurate, I wonder if it wasn't condescension considering religious conversion was a significant part of the european subjugation of the americas.
Hitokage said:
Oh, I have no problem with replacing words that are truly offensive. More often than not though, in my opinion, political correctness just replaces perfectly good words.
Hitokage said:
That's certainly possible. Seeing as how there seems to be contoversy regarding the true root of the word, it might be difficult to determine.
Either way, I find all of this really interesting. It always intrigues me to look at how certain words were formed and how their meanings have changed over time.
Heh, when I was typing this, the part of About Schmidt where he talks about meeting a "Native American" in a gas station just played.
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