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Former Republican Senator from Kentucky: "Frightened to death" of Bush.

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http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/10/20/oped-marlow1020-8060.html

I shall cast my vote for John Kerry come Nov 2.

I have been, and will continue to be, a Republican. But when we as a party send the wrong person to the White House, then it is our responsibility to send him home if our nation suffers as a result of his actions. I fall in the category of good conservative thinkers, like George F. Will, for instance, who wrote: "This administration cannot be trusted to govern if it cannot be counted on to think and having thought, to have second thoughts."

I say, well done George Will, or, even better, from the mouth of the numero uno of conservatives, William F. Buckley Jr.: "If I knew then what I know now about what kind of situation we would be in, I would have opposed the war."

First, let's talk about George Bush's moral standards.

In 2000, to defeat Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — a man who was shot down in Vietnam and imprisoned for over five years — they used Carl Rove's "East Texas special." They started the rumor that he was gay, saying he had spent too much time in the Hanoi Hilton. They said he was crazy. They said his wife was on drugs. Then, to top it off, they spread pictures of his adopted daughter, who was born in Bangladesh and thus dark skinned, to the sons and daughters of the Confederacy in rural South Carolina.

To show he was not just picking on Republicans, he went after Sen. Max Cleland from Georgia, a Democrat seeking re-election. Bush henchmen said he wasn't patriotic because Cleland did not agree 100 percent on how to handle homeland security. They published his picture along with Cuba's Castro, questioning Cleland's patriotism and commitment to America's security. Never mind that his Republican challenger was a Vietnam deferment case and Cleland, who had served in Vietnam, came home in a wheel chair having lost three limbs fighting for his country. Anyone who wants to win an election and control of the legislative body that badly has no moral character at all.

We know his father got him in the Texas Air National Guard so he would not have to go to Vietnam. The religious right can have him with those moral standards. We also have Vice President Dick Cheney, who deferred his way out of Vietnam because, as he says, he "had more important things to do."

I have just turned 78. During my lifetime, we have sent 31,377,741 Americans to war, not including whatever will be the final figures for the Iraq fiasco. Of those, 502,722 died and 928,980 came home without legs, arms or what have you.

Those wars were to defend freedom throughout the free world from communism, dictators and tyrants. Now Americans are the aggressors — we start the wars, we blow up all the infrastructure in those countries, and then turn around and spend tax dollars denying our nation an excellent education system, medical and drug programs, and the list goes on. ...

I hope you all have noticed the Bush administration's style in the campaign so far. All negative, trashing Sen. John Kerry, Sen. John Edwards and Democrats in general. Not once have they said what they have done right, what they have done wrong or what they have not done at all.

Lyndon Johnson said America could have guns and butter at the same time. This administration says you can have guns, butter and no taxes at the same time. God help us if we are not smart enough to know that is wrong, and we live by it to our peril. We in this nation have a serious problem. Its almost worse than terrorism: We are broke. Our government is borrowing a billion dollars a day. They are now borrowing from the government pension program, for apparently they have gotten as much out of the Social Security Trust as it can take. Our House and Senate announce weekly grants for every kind of favorite local programs to save legislative seats, and it's all borrowed money.

If you listened to the President confirming the value of our war with Iraq, you heard him say, "If no weapons of mass destruction were found, at least we know we have stopped his future distribution of same to terrorists." If that is his justification, then, if he is re-elected our next war will be against Iran and at the same time North Korea, for indeed they have weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons, which they have readily admitted. Those wars will require a draft of men and women. ...

I am not enamored with John Kerry, but I am frightened to death of George Bush. I fear a secret government. I abhor a government that refuses to supply the Congress with requested information. I am against a government that refuses to tell the country with whom the leaders of our country sat down and determined our energy policy, and to prove how much they want to keep that secret, they took it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Those of you who are fiscal conservatives and abhor our staggering debt, tell your conservative friends, "Vote for Kerry," because without Bush to control the Congress, the first thing lawmakers will demand Kerry do is balance the budget.

The wonderful thing about this country is its gift of citizenship, then it's freedom to register as one sees fit. For me, as a Republican, I feel that when my party gives me a dangerous leader who flouts the truth, takes the country into an undeclared war and then adds a war on terrorism to it without debate by the Congress, we have a duty to rid ourselves of those who are taking our country on a perilous ride in the wrong direction.

If we are indeed the party of Lincoln (I paraphrase his words), a president who deems to have the right to declare war at will without the consent of the Congress is a president who far exceeds his power under our Constitution.

I will take John Kerry for four years to put our country on the right path.

The writer, a Republican formerly of Louisville, was Jefferson County judge from 1962-1968 and U.S. senator from Kentucky from 1968-1975.
 

cvxfreak

Member
Nice article. Very well written, informative and I hope he causes some stir in Kentucky, a predominantly Bush state.
 

Ripclawe

Banned
CVXFREAK said:
Nice article. Very well written, informative and I hope he causes some stir in Kentucky, a predominantly Bush state.

not really, Cook is a moderate republican aka RINO and Kentucky has moved more right in terms of who they send to congress, he backed a demo in 84 over a Republican. This is nothing new. This was written about earlier in the year.
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
xsarien said:
Moderate Republicans are RINOs now? That scares me.


Anyone who's not a hardline Christian Conservative is now a RINO. It's sad, because it's predominantly these people who put Republicans in office around the country.
 
In 2000, to defeat Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — a man who was shot down in Vietnam and imprisoned for over five years — they used Carl Rove's "East Texas special." They started the rumor that he was gay, saying he had spent too much time in the Hanoi Hilton. They said he was crazy. They said his wife was on drugs. Then, to top it off, they spread pictures of his adopted daughter, who was born in Bangladesh and thus dark skinned, to the sons and daughters of the Confederacy in rural South Carolina.
THIS is what blows my mind about the whole Kerry / Lesbian thing. Where was your moral outrage then?

Edit: And yeah, about that RINO thing; I think most "liberals" would consider it idiotic to trash someone simply because they aren't in lock-step with their party. That would imply the party line is always right and... oh, I get it now.
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
<Hitokage> ok
<Hitokage> janus posts a thread of republican talking against bush
<Hitokage> GUESS WHAT RIPCLAWE POSTS
<Hitokage> anyone
<Mandark> Ad hominem against the Republican guy, maybe calling him a RINO?
<Hitokage> DING

Only extremist Republicans are real Republicans now? I'd have to consider banning a liberal if they said that.
 
Cook is a moderate republican aka RINO

The long-term conservative agenda-make traditional conservatism look centrist/"middle of tht road" and moderate because the current conservatism practiced by the GOP is so batshit insane.

The collective purge of the Rockerfeller Republicans in the GOP will come back to bite them, and I'm betting on it much sooner (as in a couple of weeks) than later.
 

Seth C

Member
The Courier-Journal and Herald-Leader are both very pro-dem papers. That doesn't make the article any less accurate, but I'm just saying...if the situation were reversed the article probably would have never made it to print.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Tritroid said:
Like it matters what he thinks.

We're all going to vote for Bush in Kentucky anyhow. ^-^

because only people in Kentucky are allowed to have their opinion swayed by this.
 

Azih

Member
Permit me to alter the quote from the good Senator a bit.

"This population cannot be trusted to vote if it cannot be counted on to think and having thought, to have second thoughts."
 
I used to read and enjoy George Will. He'd occasionally piss me off, but compared with "conservative thinking" nowadays he'd be a goddamned breath of fresh air. I note he doesn't get anywhere near the attention he used to, in the current culture of sound bites and lightweight thinking. Bah.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
Celicar said:
Yeah. You were wrong. It's okay to be wrong. Don't lash out.

Wrong about what, precisely? Last time I checked, Saddam was ruling on fear, not love. The fact that he wasn't the first - and certainly won't be the last - to use such methods doesn't change a thing.

My point, since you apparently need it spelled out, is that I'm comparing Bush - lightly - to Saddam.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
Celicar said:
But it's not. Saddam never said that. Find a quote where he said that. It's Machiavelli who said it.

Saddam didn't need to say it. His actions spoke for themselves. Hasn't that been the Republican talking point since the war began?

Or are you just arguing semantics because you can't reconcile supporting a U.S. government that uses fear while opposing a foreign government that uses the same tactic?
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
Celicar said:
But it's not. Saddam never said that. Find a quote where he said that. It's Machiavelli who said it.

He didn't need for him to say it to be applicable to him. God you're thick.

Edit: DAMN YOU XSARIEN!
 
Celicar said:
But it's not. Saddam never said that. Find a quote where he said that. It's Machiavelli who said it.
Once again, you're completely missing the point. No one is attributing that quote to Saddam Hussein. I believe the reference was to the meaning of the quote as it pertains to governing styles, specifically that Saddam ruled by fear just as the Bush administration is.

EDIT: Pile on! :lol
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
xsarien said:
If I had a nickel for everytime I've heard that, I'd need to be a Republican.

I just find it funny how we both used the exact same opening clause (with me using a pronoun instead of the proper name) - right down to italicizing the word say.
 

Doth Togo

Member
KE04 said:
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/10/20/oped-marlow1020-8060.html

Quote:
I shall cast my vote for John Kerry come Nov 2.

I have been, and will continue to be, a Republican. But when we as a party send the wrong person to the White House, then it is our responsibility to send him home if our nation suffers as a result of his actions. I fall in the category of good conservative thinkers, like George F. Will, for instance, who wrote: "This administration cannot be trusted to govern if it cannot be counted on to think and having thought, to have second thoughts."

I say, well done George Will, or, even better, from the mouth of the numero uno of conservatives, William F. Buckley Jr.: "If I knew then what I know now about what kind of situation we would be in, I would have opposed the war."

First, let's talk about George Bush's moral standards.

In 2000, to defeat Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — a man who was shot down in Vietnam and imprisoned for over five years — they used Carl Rove's "East Texas special." They started the rumor that he was gay, saying he had spent too much time in the Hanoi Hilton. They said he was crazy. They said his wife was on drugs. Then, to top it off, they spread pictures of his adopted daughter, who was born in Bangladesh and thus dark skinned, to the sons and daughters of the Confederacy in rural South Carolina.

To show he was not just picking on Republicans, he went after Sen. Max Cleland from Georgia, a Democrat seeking re-election. Bush henchmen said he wasn't patriotic because Cleland did not agree 100 percent on how to handle homeland security. They published his picture along with Cuba's Castro, questioning Cleland's patriotism and commitment to America's security. Never mind that his Republican challenger was a Vietnam deferment case and Cleland, who had served in Vietnam, came home in a wheel chair having lost three limbs fighting for his country. Anyone who wants to win an election and control of the legislative body that badly has no moral character at all.

We know his father got him in the Texas Air National Guard so he would not have to go to Vietnam. The religious right can have him with those moral standards. We also have Vice President Dick Cheney, who deferred his way out of Vietnam because, as he says, he "had more important things to do."

I have just turned 78. During my lifetime, we have sent 31,377,741 Americans to war, not including whatever will be the final figures for the Iraq fiasco. Of those, 502,722 died and 928,980 came home without legs, arms or what have you.

Those wars were to defend freedom throughout the free world from communism, dictators and tyrants. Now Americans are the aggressors — we start the wars, we blow up all the infrastructure in those countries, and then turn around and spend tax dollars denying our nation an excellent education system, medical and drug programs, and the list goes on. ...

I hope you all have noticed the Bush administration's style in the campaign so far. All negative, trashing Sen. John Kerry, Sen. John Edwards and Democrats in general. Not once have they said what they have done right, what they have done wrong or what they have not done at all.

Lyndon Johnson said America could have guns and butter at the same time. This administration says you can have guns, butter and no taxes at the same time. God help us if we are not smart enough to know that is wrong, and we live by it to our peril. We in this nation have a serious problem. Its almost worse than terrorism: We are broke. Our government is borrowing a billion dollars a day. They are now borrowing from the government pension program, for apparently they have gotten as much out of the Social Security Trust as it can take. Our House and Senate announce weekly grants for every kind of favorite local programs to save legislative seats, and it's all borrowed money.

If you listened to the President confirming the value of our war with Iraq, you heard him say, "If no weapons of mass destruction were found, at least we know we have stopped his future distribution of same to terrorists." If that is his justification, then, if he is re-elected our next war will be against Iran and at the same time North Korea, for indeed they have weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons, which they have readily admitted. Those wars will require a draft of men and women. ...

I am not enamored with John Kerry, but I am frightened to death of George Bush. I fear a secret government. I abhor a government that refuses to supply the Congress with requested information. I am against a government that refuses to tell the country with whom the leaders of our country sat down and determined our energy policy, and to prove how much they want to keep that secret, they took it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Those of you who are fiscal conservatives and abhor our staggering debt, tell your conservative friends, "Vote for Kerry," because without Bush to control the Congress, the first thing lawmakers will demand Kerry do is balance the budget.

The wonderful thing about this country is its gift of citizenship, then it's freedom to register as one sees fit. For me, as a Republican, I feel that when my party gives me a dangerous leader who flouts the truth, takes the country into an undeclared war and then adds a war on terrorism to it without debate by the Congress, we have a duty to rid ourselves of those who are taking our country on a perilous ride in the wrong direction.

If we are indeed the party of Lincoln (I paraphrase his words), a president who deems to have the right to declare war at will without the consent of the Congress is a president who far exceeds his power under our Constitution.

I will take John Kerry for four years to put our country on the right path.

The writer, a Republican formerly of Louisville, was Jefferson County judge from 1962-1968 and U.S. senator from Kentucky from 1968-1975.

Speak the truth, brother.
 

Dujour

Banned
"Frightened to Death."

I thought this was about someone actually dying of a fear-induced heart attack or stroke because of Bush. >:|
 
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