Maher hardly embodies everything that is wrong with "liberals" these days. And comparing him to Glenn Beck is most definitely intellectually lazy.
Fox News gets a rare interview w/ President Obama. It'll probably be their last.
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Maher hardly embodies everything that is wrong with "liberals" these days. And comparing him to Glenn Beck is most definitely intellectually lazy.
entertaining panacea for the base, a comforting salve that does the trick every time? You may object, you may not agree. Maybe you like one and hate the other. But there are similarities.
"Entertainment" is the best you have? Show your work, otherwise that's about as broad as saying Jon Stewart, John Oliver, Maher, and Beck all have "similarities". My Dad watched Beck for years while I was living at home, and I've watched Maher every week for a long time. Beck never engages with the opposite side, and he wields ignorance and obfuscation like weapons, while Maher actively courts the opposite side to expose the flaws in their thinking or in some cases to show how liberals can do a better job. His show is far more than just quips, smugness, and jokes.
Alandrus Sun
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Wonderful, they've rolled Woodward out.
Dude said he only voted for Obama because he thought he was going to get a black thug in office.
That was a joke. You might think it was insensitive or not funny, but it was a joke.
Alandrus Sun
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Ha, every time Karl Rove opens his mouth my head goes spinning around. Obama's approval ratings are up right now apparently because the American people are distracted by primary elections but they'll go down once they are over.
What the fuck is this even supposed to mean? Do you actually watch the show and count how many times each episode Maher says something the audience audibly disagrees with? Or how many guests he has that are far right-wing?
Yeah, like they're both opinionated, and both wear ties. They're not two sides of the same coin though. It really is typical false-equivalence bullshit. There are no left-wing equivalents of the right-wing loons like Beck, Limbaugh, etc, at least none that have any kind of significant popularity. It's a false equivalence that massively downplays the intellectually disingenuous, lying, hateful nature of these right-wing pundits of which there is no equivalent on the left.
I think we all really know that was a joke, or at least an attempt at one. He's a comedian. He's articulated far more nuanced opinions than that countless times, but if you want to pretend that he hasn't and just point to a joke he made then be my guest. But again, that's intellectually lazy.
metalslimer
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He's right. The vast majority of the shit the banks did pre recession was not illegal. Highly unethical, but not illegal.
Just jokes is not a get out jail free card, specially when you have a track record for shitting on brown people. We will have to agree to disagree
Committing fraud isn't illegal? I mean I understand that they didn't go after them since fraud can be hard to prove from ignorance to a jury but saying they did nothing illegal? Not even the money laundering for cartels? I find that hard to believe since as recent as last week banks are still settling for billions on their sham pls mortgages.
I'm not even mad. I used to watch and listen to Beck in my opposition research phase, and had been a fan of Maher since his Politically Incorrect days. Beck wouldn't work for Maher's base, in the same way Maher wouldn't generally fill the space that Beck's fans have. they do different things, for different people, in different ways. But fundamentally very similar roles. and?
lol the word you should have focused on was panacea. lay the foundation, pupper.
Panacea is about as uselessly broad in this context as entertainment, and you still haven't shown actual solid comparisons between Beck and Maher to support your claim.
http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2010/11/11/george-w-bush-sits-down-bill-o039reilly/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/11/04/transcript-george-hw-bush-on-fox-news-sunday.html
I guess it is easier to make up crap so your "plood" can boil.
You are aware that both of those were interviews with ex-presidents right?
Solideliquid
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Thought the interview was pretty fair, Obama answered the questions well.
The panel post-interview made me sick. This whole thing was such as set up. I hope the major news outlets pick up on this and talk about it.
The panel post-interview made me sick. This whole thing was such as set up. I hope the major news outlets pick up on this and talk about it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I thought the investigation into Clinton was over since it turned out to be a load of nothing.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Holy shit, do you actually watch Bill or do you just for some blog to highlight a "controversy!?
It pretty much is, the GOP is just desperate for a get out of jail free card since they know they have no chance at winning otherwise.
Joel Was Right
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I caught that too. He basically said people didn't want it enough to make it happen.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Slang for period blood.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Maher is an annoying, smug asshole. I happen to agree with him on a great many things, but I can admit that he's basically the epitome of what people think of when they think of liberals as condescending, latte-sipping elitists.
adamsappel
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Did Wallace address him as "Mr. Obama" in the interview, or only refer to him as that in the piece itself? Calling him anything but "Mr. President" to his face would be disrespectful, but it's common to say "Mr. Bush," "Mr. Carter," etc. otherwise.
Messofanego
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I thought when we elected a black president, we were going to get a black president. You know, this [oil spill] is where I want a real black president. I want him in a meeting with the BP CEOs, you know, where he lifts up his shirt where you can see the gun in his pants. Thats weve got a motherfucking problem here? Shoot somebody in the foot.
Yikes.
http://www.salon.com/2015/04/18/7_times_bill_maher_was_a_straight_up_bigot/
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/20...ese-internment-racism-does-not-excuse-racism/
http://www.salon.com/2015/01/23/5_times_bill_maher_has_sabotaged_his_own_cause_partner/
http://www.shakesville.com/2011/03/bill-maher-feminist-troll.html
https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/489930991956262913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S36MPyxDU8M
Hollywoods diversity problem, said the host on last nights Real Time With Bill Maher, is the Asians fault. The dirty little secret, Maher said on his HBO show, is most movies are made now with an eye to the foreign market, and Asians really are racist.
When his guests, including Family Guy creator Seth MacFarlane and Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FLA), reacted with surprise, Maher doubled down. Im just honest. They dont want to see black people generally in their movies. The Hollywood executives are, like, Were not racist, we just have to pretend to be racists because were capitalists. We want to sell our movies in China (and) they dont like Kevin Hart.
Grayson wasnt having it, saying through a smile, You just said theyre racist, that makes you racist.
When his guests, including Family Guy creator Seth MacFarlane and Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FLA), reacted with surprise, Maher doubled down. Im just honest. They dont want to see black people generally in their movies. The Hollywood executives are, like, Were not racist, we just have to pretend to be racists because were capitalists. We want to sell our movies in China (and) they dont like Kevin Hart.
Grayson wasnt having it, saying through a smile, You just said theyre racist, that makes you racist.
Oh yeah, great ally to have. Let's throw in his anti-vaxxer weirdness, too.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Somehow I feel like that might take off -_-
Let's not forget he's also a supporter of PETA. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near someone who could willingly associate themselves with that vile sewer of a group that helps out domestic terrorists like ALF while claiming to be for animal rights.
hammysaurusrex
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Smart to avoid Maher if at all possible. Fox is madness, but it's madness with a method and agenda that's fairly predictable. Maher is far more unpredictable as he's motivated entirely by his own ideology instead of simply toeing the party line. Sometimes it's tempting to think he's an ally to progressives, then he comes out with his stupid anti-vaccine / anti-science rhetoric that clearly demonstrates he's nothing special in terms of intellectual honesty.
This line doesn't make any sense. If he says that white people are racist, does that make him racist?
If he wanted to burn Maher, he should've accused him of projecting.
Congratulations on picking ONE opinion he's had that he already walked back, out of probably thousands of important issues he's talked about over the course of almost 30 years. People like you are unbelievable, going to the most absurd lengths of intellectual dishonesty and selective memory in order to justify a judgment you know deep down is bullshit. If every public figure that has to give their opinion every week on current events was worthy of being written off for having one bad stance in their career, they'd all be written off except for maybe Jon Oliver.
His views on GMOs, Traditonal Chinese medecine and vaccines is aggressively stupid, but at least he will accept people who challenge him on the show.
Here is NPR's policy on referring to the president:
http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2011/10/12/141293477/why-do-you-call-him-mr-obama
Most news orgs follow something similar.
ConfusingJazz
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Guys, neither Mahr nor Beck are on Fox News.
Steer it back on topic or make a new thread.
Steer it back on topic or make a new thread.
hammysaurusrex
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edit - nm, didn't see mod notice before posting
Can't tell if you are smart or the opposite.
This sentence doesn't make sense. I cannot tell if you are joking, or were looking to deliver some sort of sick burn and failed.
It'll be interesting to see how Fox News is forced to evolve. I think the "Fox coalition" is clearly breaking up. Fox is vehemently anti-Trump, which means a lot of the Trump supporters are going to be turning on the network. Losing some of those insane viewers (along with other changes in the culture, like the continual decline of religiosity across the political spectrum) may cause Fox to negotiate a move to a more moderate center right position for its long term survival. The bizarre ascendancy of Megyn Kelly as a media figure has been interesting to watch and is indicative of things to come I think.
Frozenprince
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I don't think there is an agree to disagree here considering you're 100% right. tbh.
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