Fox News reporter: Hillary Clinton left 9/11 ceremony with 'medical episode'

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Clockwork5 said:
80 is the new 95.
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It's still warm no matter how you cut it. >_>

ChrisD said:
Or you've just never lived somewhere with high heat and they do, lol. Neither side is wrong when considering all that she was wearing. You're not wrong, it is hot when put together. They're not wrong, 80 and breezy feels great and is far from intense heat.
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It's hot even when you don't put together her outfit. Given the added conditions of her outfit and how long she was out there, I'd immediately assume heat exhaustion over anything else.
 
Damn, this has been a pretty disastrous couple of weeks for Clinton. She needs to come out of this weekend with a campaign reset or something or November will be a nail-biter.

I'm really not sure any more if she would have been able to beat one of the other (establishment) Republican candidates the way she's handled herself coming out of the conventions but luckily she's running against the official candidate of Cheetos.
 
Get well soon Hilary! I would recommend laying in bed for a couple days with some Campbell's chicken noodle soup and Sprite. In 3 days she'll feel good as new and will be ready to debate Donald trump at full strength!!!
 
samendolaro said:
Well you kind of made the case of why this is bad. If she truly is unhealthy and a possibility exists that she would not complete her first term then her running for president would not be seen as being in the best interest of the country, instead it would be seen as her attempting to secure her own legacy. The presidency isn't suppose to be about you and this is where she would loose voters.
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When you put it like that, true. Personally, I still don't mind
 
Saint Gregory said:
Damn, this has been a pretty disastrous couple of weeks for Clinton. She needs to come out of this weekend with a campaign reset or something or November will be a nail-biter.

I'm really not sure any more if she would have been able to beat one of the other (establishment) Republican candidates the way she's handled herself coming out of the conventions but luckily she's running against the official candidate of Cheetos.
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Breh, polls past two days have been positive.
 
fart town usa said:
Is it really necessary to imply that people who are concerned about this are Trump supporters? It's entirely possible to be critical of Hillary and Trump at the same time.

The attacks on those concerned about Hillary as a candidate resemble Soviet tactics. It's really beneath what this board attempts to convey in terms of discussion.
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You could be concerned, but you can also concern troll, which is what most of this feels like. A nearly 70 year old person who has been traveling all across the country non-stop for the last year campaigning for president, probably working 14-16 hour days, had a spell of heat exhaustion. Color me shocked. This is a mountain out of a mole hill, which, judging my most of the other criticisms attempted to be levied at Hillary, shouldn't be surprising.
 
fart town usa said:
Is it really necessary to imply that people who are concerned about this are Trump supporters? It's entirely possible to be critical of Hillary and Trump at the same time.

The attacks on those concerned about Hillary as a candidate resemble Soviet tactics. It's really beneath what this board attempts to convey in terms of discussion.
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There is a vast difference in being critical and saying she is now no longer a viable candidate, etc.

This health conspiracy (which is what it is) was started by the alt-right and this is just adding fuel to that fire. I'm not saying that this means she is in perfect health but people are acting as if this is clear evidence that she is hiding something.

I think both candidates should be required to have a full medical evaluation as well as various other things once they make it to this stage.

Mega said:
Have you been in the business district by the water in NYC when it's upper 70s? It's cool and pleasant.

To answer the earlier question seriously, I wear formal business attire throughout the year, lighter than Hillary's suits but I'm not in shorts and tank top either. Today is a nice day weather-wise. I live here, I've been out at this weather at length, I go for long walks in hotter weather in my business clothes. Excuse me for finding it hard to believe it was heat related. I don't buy it.
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See now you are just being obtuse. Are you 70, are you working 14+ hour days, have you been campaigning and stressing like her or Trump has, are you wearing a vest under your clothes? smh.
 
EightBitNate said:
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You owe me a new coffee and laundry service. It was just too much... and now I feel bad. I dislike her policies but she is still a person.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
You could be concerned, but you can also concern troll, which is what most of this feels like. A nearly 70 year old person who has been traveling all across the country non-stop for the last year campaigning for president, probably working 14-16 hour days, had a spell of heat exhaustion. Color me shocked.
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I'm not trying to concern troll and will concede that's very likely for an older person. This whole situation is weird.
 
echoshifting said:
Do you have any actual data to back up that 80 degrees isn't hot enough to cause heat exhaustion? I'm not sure how you can make that claim when there are many contributing factors.

edit: I see you've edited but I'm still curious where you're pulling this from.
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Sorry, not trying to just state things matter-of-the-factly, "This can not happen!" It was worded poorly, it's definitely possible. My post was more in response to a notion that seemingly 80 is 95+, i.e. Intense heat.
 
Why would you not go to the hospital even if it was a heat stroke/exhaustion? Fainting isn't healthy no matter what the cause and should be checked out even if you think it was because of being hot.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
You could be concerned, but you can also concern troll, which is what most of this feels like. A nearly 70 year old person who has been traveling all across the country non-stop for the last year campaigning for president, probably working 14-16 hour days, had a spell of heat exhaustion. Color me shocked. This is a mountain out of a mole hill, which, judging my most of the other criticisms attempted to be levied at Hillary, shouldn't be surprising.
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It wasn't just the heat stroke. Last week cough gate and now heat stroke. It's now multiple Health concerns that are adding up
 
Ninja Scooter said:
You could be concerned, but you can also concern troll, which is what most of this feels like. A nearly 70 year old person who has been traveling all across the country non-stop for the last year campaigning for president, probably working 14-16 hour days, had a spell of heat exhaustion. Color me shocked.
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So it's been confirmed that it was heat exhaustion?

I'm not saying that it's a huge deal, I'm saying people have every right to be concerned without the accusation that they're a trump supporter being tossed at them.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
You could be concerned, but you can also concern troll, which is what most of this feels like. A nearly 70 year old person who has been traveling all across the country non-stop for the last year campaigning for president, probably working 14-16 hour days, had a spell of heat exhaustion. Color me shocked. This is a mountain out of a mole hill, which, judging my most of the other criticisms attempted to be levied at Hillary, shouldn't be surprising.
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you have to consider how the average voter will react to legit videos of her fainting.

I don't know if this has ever happened to a candidate on video during their campaign
 
Nowise10 said:
Why would you not go to the hospital even if it was a heat stroke/exhaustion? Fainting isn't normal and should be checked out even if you think it was because of being hot.
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If she had done that, we'd be flooded with "HILLARY CHECKS INTO HOSPITAL AFTER RAGDOLLING ON SIDEWALK" headlines
 
perfectchaos007 said:
It wasn't just the heat stroke. Last week cough gate and now heat stroke. It's now multiple Health concerns that are adding up
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Just like Trumps taxes, investments, failure to release tax returns, etc. etc. It all adds up.

Why different standards?

fart town usa said:
So it's been confirmed that it was heat exhaustion?

I'm not saying that it's a huge deal, I'm saying people have every right to be concerned without the accusation that they're a trump supporter being tossed at them.
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So be concerned, but don't go to the lengths that some individuals are going to; i.e. she isn't viable, she is hiding something, yep she has a medical condition, she is dying, etc.
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
you have to consider how the average voter will react to legit videos of her fainting.

I don't know if this has ever happened to a candidate on video during their campaign
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the average voter, in this election cycle, likely has the mind made up. The kind of person that cares about this is the kind of person that wasn't going to vote for Hillary anyway. There is way too big of a divide to think someone could still, 2 months out from the election, be swayed by something like this. This is all just echo chamber noise to fill the Fox News/conservative radio air waves. You can pretend this is a big deal, or feign concern for her leadership ability, but don't pretend it really matters in the grand scheme of things.
 
Pastry said:
Breh, polls past two days have been positive.
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Positive but she's been sliding on 538. I'm still confident that she can pull it out but it just doesn't feel like she has a ton of momentum going, not that Trump does either. It feels like two stagnant campaigns limping to the finish line.

It's probably best that it's like this though or people may get complacent and think they can stay home on election day because Clinton has that easy win coming.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
the average voter, in this election cycle, likely has the mind made up. The kind of person that cares about this is the kind of person that wasn't going to vote for Hillary anyway. There is way too big of a divide to think someone could still, 2 months out from the election, be swayed by something like this. This is all just echo chamber noise to fill the Fox News/conservative radio air waves.
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I honestly hope you're right. Even if you are, still not a good look.
 
I don't understand why a fainting spell is being made into such a big deal. Even if she's physically not this oxen bull, so what? She's working her ass off, she gives a damn and she's not a fucking bigot. Jfc.
 
Actual Concern

*Hillary faints. Blames it on the heat and is fine and walking around 2 hours later* -- "Oh geez. Campaigning sure is grueling. Glad she's ok. She needs to wear cooler clothes"


Concern Trolling

*Hillary faints. Blames it on the heat and is fine and walking around 2 hours later* -- "OMG Hillary might be dying! How could she risk our country like this!? I can't vote for a person who faints! Fainting is clearly unusual and oh so unpresidential! Trump is sooooo gonna win now. We need full heath records. Oh, she already released her health records? We need FULLER health records."
 
Lord Frieza said:
A "simple fact" painting with a broad stroke that ignores the context of the situation surrounding those candidates. We're talking about the same thing, you just seem unable to see past generalization to context



It's worthless because Trump, as a person and a candidate, is nothing like Kennedy or the perception he had. Television was a relatively new medium, and the first time a Presidential debate had been televised, so obviously there was going to be a huge bias to the visually more appealing candidate, and then you have Clinton who is nothing like Nixon as a person or candidate. Not to mention the time period in which these things happened are so paralyzingly different. Like I said, much like Brexit comparisons: works in a broad stroke, but overall worthless when you zoom in to the context.
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I have no idea why you are talking as though it matters who the candidate on either side of this is. I'll give as an example, "Random Presidential Candidate A." RPCA faints on camera. This is not a good thing. How not good is debatable. The fact that it is not good is not. I brought up Nixon as an example as to why these events, in general, are not good because, well, that's really the only clear example we have.

I am basically stating that water is wet and you are telling me, "No. You're ignoring context." I am stating that water is wet because it seems like there are others itt hand waving this episode. I don't mean hand waving as in "No worries. Hillary's fine." I mean hand waving as in acting as though something like this occurring on camera could never have political consequences. It can.

FWIW, I believe Hillary is going to win, if that matters.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
You could be concerned, but you can also concern troll, which is what most of this feels like. A nearly 70 year old person who has been traveling all across the country non-stop for the last year campaigning for president, probably working 14-16 hour days, had a spell of heat exhaustion. Color me shocked. This is a mountain out of a mole hill, which, judging my most of the other criticisms attempted to be levied at Hillary, shouldn't be surprising.
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Then honestly she's not fit to be president. If she's having problems right now just imagine when she have to deal with bigger problems?
 
Mega said:
Have you been in the business district by the water in NYC when it's upper 70s? It's cool and pleasant.

To answer the earlier question seriously, I wear formal business attire throughout the year, lighter than Hillary's suits but I'm not in shorts and tank top either. Today is a nice day weather-wise. I live here, I've been out at this weather at length, I go for long walks in hotter weather in my business clothes. Excuse me for finding it hard to believe it was heat related. I don't buy it.
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Excuse me for finding it hard to believe when 80 is for a fact very warm and you aren't her or in her situation.
You seem like you're concern trolling here tbh. Who walks around in business clothes casually? Pretty much no one. >_>

ChrisD said:
Sorry, not trying to just state things matter-of-the-factly, "This can not happen!" It was worded poorly, it's definitely possible. My post was more in response to a notion that seemingly 80 is 95+, i.e. Intense heat.
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I never said 80 was 95. I never made any such claim. I have however argued that 80 is hot...cause it damn well is hot. >_>
There is nothing "chilly" about 80. 60 and below? That's when it starts to get nice and chilly. 80 is warm. Combined with a high humidity and it's most definitely going to be unbearable. Especially with her situation. I'm repeating myself here but it's 110% baffling to me that ANYONE can say that 80 is nice and chilly.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
the average voter, in this election cycle, likely has the mind made up. The kind of person that cares about this is the kind of person that wasn't going to vote for Hillary anyway. There is way too big of a divide to think someone could still, 2 months out from the election, be swayed by something like this. This is all just echo chamber noise to fill the Fox News/conservative radio air waves. You can pretend this is a big deal, or feign concern for her leadership ability, but don't pretend it really matters in the grand scheme of things.
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There are a lot more undecideds out there than there usually are at this point in the cycle:

clare.malone: Is the number of undecideds right now on-track historically? Or is it out of the norm?

natesilver: No, it’s way higher, at least compared to recent elections. You have 18-20 percent of the electorate that’s either undecided or voting for one of the (largely anonymous) third-party candidates. That figure was like 5-10 percent at a comparable point four years ago. People largely ignore that, because they get focused on the margin between Clinton and Trump, when it’s maybe like the most important thing right now.
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-is-trump-gaining-on-clinton/
 
Saint Gregory said:
Positive but she's been sliding on 538. I'm still confident that she can pull it out but it just doesn't feel like she has a ton of momentum going, not that Trump does either. It feels like two stagnant campaigns limping to the finish line.

It's probably best that it's like this though or people may get complacent and think they can stay home on election day because Clinton has that easy win coming.
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It's quite astounding how many people even here on GAF have the belief you lay out in the second paragraph. I'd like to think they're joke posts when they show up, but people getting way too certain of something isn't at all a far-fetched notion.
 
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