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France and Italy's African Refugees Ping-Pong

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Canova

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http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/576521-france-and-italys-refugee-ping-pong


Hundreds of North African refugees are continuing to land on the Italian island of Lampedusa off the Tunisian coast, provoking a humanitarian and political crisis. At the same time, hundreds of others are attempting, usually without success, to cross the border between Italy and France, which is their final destination.

“Italy does not interest us. It’s just a stop-over. We want to go to France, but they don’t want us there.” Camped out at the station by low walls that serve as urinals, taking afternoon naps in public parks or sleeping out on the banks of the Roia: most are illegal, some are refugees, and all of them are clearly desperate. Welcome to the world of the migrants.

Having passed through the bottleneck of Lampedusa, they face the reality of their own containment in Ventimiglia — a town populated by a potentially explosive admixture of young men in transit with no more baggage than a pair of jeans, trainers and a mobile phone, and worried locals who keep asking mayor Gaetano Scullino, “When are you going to get rid of them?”

Ventimiglia station is the third Italian stage in the journey for migrants leaving Tunisia. After landing on Lampedusa, they are transfered to provisional accommodation centres on the continent — in Bari, Foggia, and Crotone — from which they can easily escape. Then comes the train ride to Italy’s northern border.

A fax to the Italian police is enough to send them back
Italy is only a transit destination. Usually their goal is to reach France, where they can count on the possibility of help from relatives, and jobs that are easier to find on the Côte d’Azur. But negotiating the meager ten kilometres that separate Ventimiglia from the French border town of Menton can prove to be more treacherous than crossing the Strait of Sicily.

For the migrants the French-Italian border is a virtually unbreachable wall. Attempts to cross it are hampered by the possibility of nightmarish encounters with border police, who are increasingly flagging down cars with dark skinned passengers, and mounting patrols in trains.

Anyone who is caught without the right documents is immediately sent back to Ventimiglia, without any questions about their status or their health. A simple fax to the Italian police is all that is required. We take them back without objecting.

Official attitudes in Italy are in stark contrast to those in France: there are no controls, and no one asks for ID. Our accommodation centres are overflowing, and no one knows where to send asylum seekers. And we wonder why should we bother detaining people who do not even want to live here?

Local people remain tolerant for the moment
Ventimiglia has become a small-scale northern Lampedusa. Every day, around 50 migrants arrive here from the south of Italy, and a similar number attempt to cross the French border. However, relatively few of them succeed: about 30 come back to camp in Ventimiglia before trying again.

And the numbers are steadily increasing. Today there are more than a hundred: usually Tunsian men aged under 30 with a scattering of Libyans, all of them armed with a few sandwiches and money for the train.

Until now there have been no public order problems. The residents of Ventimiglia, which was invaded by Kurds in 1998, prefer to suffer in silence. But if you listen to the talk in cafés and at institutional meetings, which are now held almost daily, everyone is warning that “if it does not change soon, the situation will be explosive.”

At night, the migrants camp in the railway station underpass, where there is a plug for their phones. In response to protests from the mayor, the rail company has agreed to leave the waiting room and the toilets open. During the day they spend their time in the town centre, wondering about a risk free route to France.

In a few weeks, Samir will be celebrating his 24th birthday. He was a child when he arrived Italy, and when he left school he got a job in a shipping company which subsequently closed down. Thereafter, he followed a girlfriend to Nice, where he now works as a carpenter. He shows me his French carte de séjour which entitles him to travel everywhere in Europe.

Throughout the day, he remains on his guard: “I have come to pick up my brother, who is 20 years old. He paid 1,800 euros for a passage from Sfax to Lampedusa, and then he was transfered to Puglia. When he phoned me, I told him, I’ll come and get you in Ventimiglia. So here I am. Yesterday, I travelled back and forth to Nice four times to see how the patrols are operating. Driving over the border is too risky: if we’re caught I’ll be arrested.”

People smuggling on the increase
People smugglers, who had largely disappeared when border checkpoints were closed down, are now increasingly common. They seek out the migrants at the station, show them a car and offer to take them to France: 50 euros for a ride to Menton, 100 for Nice, 150 for Marseille. They usually take three passengers per car, and leave at nightfall. Ten of them have already been arrested by police.

Then there are the rock climbers who offer to take the migrants across the border on foot, like in the old days before Maastricht. Samir is worried about being trapped: ”The train is the best. At least that way, we can travel in separate compartments. And I won’t run the risk of being arrested.”

Everything has been decided, at 8:17 PM, he and his brother will board the train for Grasse. It is time to go. Samir calls his brother and gives him a ticket, holding it like it was a winning lottery coupon. Then they hug each other and set off for opposite ends of the train.

Night falls. At the station they are spreading out cardboard to sleep on. Police are discreetly patrolling the deserted town centre. A new batch of migrants arrives on the train from Rome and prepares to bed down for the night. One of the phones beeps, it is a text message from Samir. It says ”Goodbye Italy!”

http://ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/english/2011/03/30/visualizza_new.html_1529415849.html

(ANSA) - Rome, March 30 - Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini on Wednesday criticised France for stopping migrants from Tunisia on the French-Italian border.

Thousands of Tunisians have been packed in the Italian border town of Ventimiglia for the last few days, demanding to be allowed to join relatives in France.

But Paris has turned a deaf ear to their pleas.

The move has raised Italian hackles, especially as the country is grappling with a bigger migrant emergency on the southern island of Lampedusa, where most of the Tunisians landed.

Frattini told Italian TV news that France was showing a "grave lack of solidarity".

An estimated 3,500 Tunisians have arrived in the Ligurian town of Ventimiglia in the last two days after escaping from detention centres further south, Italian officials say.

So France and EU have been criticizing Italy on its immigration issues, but then when these North African refugees chose to cross border to France to join their relatives, France turned them down. What a bunch of hypocrites

EDIT: oops wrong forum.

HALP!!!
 

Bento

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ANSA said:
An estimated 3,500 Tunisians have arrived in the Ligurian town of Ventimiglia in the last two days after escaping from detention centres further south, Italian officials say.
Looked up the population number for that town 25509, yikes! That's even less then in my hometown and they sure as hell would not be able to handle 3500 immigrants just like that :I This is a seriously shitty situation, on one hand the people from Libya do have a genuine protection need and on the other hand there are limits on how many can stay. Maybe Eastern Europe could help out a bit? :p

EDIT: Tunisia not Libya.
 

Canova

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Bento said:
Looked up the population number for that town 25509, yikes! That's even less then in my hometown and they sure as hell would not be able to handle 3500 immigrants just like that :I This is a seriously shitty situation, on one hand the people from Libya do have a genuine protection need and on the other hand there are limits on how many can stay. Maybe Eastern Europe could help out a bit? :p

EDIT: Tunisia not Libya.

The situation in the island of Lampedusa is even worse.

Island population: 5000
North African immigrant landed on the island in the past 3 months: 20000

The island residents complained about the rotten stench in the air

Other EU countries should do more to help these North African immigrants, they can't let Italy handle this issue alone
 

ahoyhoy

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I don't see why they would ever send Libyan refugees to Italy. The country has had such a negative history with immigrants from that region I wouldn't expect anything less than sending them away in any direction.
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
Yeah I can't really blind-hate on a Slovenian since a friend of mine is from there. All I can say is your football team is shit.
 

Canova

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ahoyhoy said:
I don't see why they would ever send Libyan refugees to Italy. The country has had such a negative history with immigrants from that region I wouldn't expect anything less than sending them away in any direction.

These refugees in the story are Tunisian refugees. Many of them have relatives in France.

Tunisia used to be a French colony
 

Alx

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I can understand Libyans fleeing the country, but why Tunisians ? They managed to make a peaceful revolution, and their first move is to leave a country where everything has to be reorganized ?
 

Canova

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Alx said:
I can understand Libyans fleeing the country, but why Tunisians ? They managed to make a peaceful revolution, and their first move is to leave a country where everything has to be reorganized ?

Given a choice, every single person in Africa would love to leave the continent for Europe
 
Alx said:
I can understand Libyans fleeing the country, but why Tunisians ? They managed to make a peaceful revolution, and their first move is to leave a country where everything has to be reorganized ?
Some people are not up for the good fight (i.e. helping rebuild). Secondly not all in Tunisia were for the over throw.
 
Mustaphadamus said:
Some people are not up for the good fight (i.e. helping rebuild). Secondly not all in Tunisia were for the over throw.
And a revolution doesn't magicly fix unemployment. Wasn't over half of the youth there unemployed at the moment?

Still, Europe has to draw a line somewhere and can't accept everyone in.
 
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