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French Comedian Dieudonne Arrested Over Facebook Post On Charlie Hebdo Attack

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French Comedian Arrested Over Facebook Post On Charlie Hebdo Attack

A French comedian was detained for questioning on Wednesday for writing on his Facebook account he felt "Charlie Coulibaly," a word play combining the widespread "I am Charlie" vigil slogan and the name of one of the three gunmen.

More than 3.7 million people marched through the streets of France on Sunday, many of them holding "I am Charlie" signs to honor the memory of the Charlie Hebdo journalists, policemen and kosher shop clients killed by Islamist gunmen last week.

Prosecutors launched Monday an inquiry on potential charges of glorifying terrorism against Dieudonne M'bala M'bala, who has already faced accusations of anti-Semitism and has mocked the killing of U.S. reporter James Foley by Islamic State militants.

Dieudonne won international attention last year after former France striker Nicolas Anelka celebrated an English Premier League goal with a salute popularized by him and which critics say has an anti-Semitic connotation.

Amedy Coulibaly, whose name inspired the joke, killed a policewoman and four clients of a kosher shop last week in Paris, two days after two gunmen shot 12 people at and near the offices of Charlie Hebdo.

Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said this week European officials should work more closely with Internet companies to eliminate hate speech and content glorifying terrorism.

Dieudonne, Paris-born son of a Cameroonian father and French mother, says he is not anti-Semitic. He has been repeatedly fined for hate speech in France where local authorities in several towns have banned his shows as a threat to public order.

His lawyer Jacques Verdier told BFM-TV that arresting him for the "Charlie Coulibaly" comment was "completely out of proportion." If condemned for glorifying terrorism, Dieudonne could face up to seven years in jail and 5,000 euro ($5,868) in fine. ($1 = 0.8521 euros) (Reporting by Chine Labbe and Nicolas Bertin; Writing by Ingrid Melander; editing by Mark John)

Source: m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6468614

Edit: Update

French Comedian Dieudonne To Stand Trial Over Facebook Post On Paris Attacks

French comedian Dieudonne will face trial over a controversial Facebook comment he wrote in the wake of the extremist attacks in Paris, Agence France Presse reports on Wednesday. A judicial source told the news service that the comedian will stand trial for "condoning terrorism."


More from the Associated Press:

PARIS (AP) — France ordered prosecutors around the country to crack down on hate speech, anti-Semitism and those glorifying terrorism and announced Wednesday it was sending an aircraft carrier to the Middle East to work more closely with the U.S.-led coalition fighting Islamic State militants.


Authorities said 54 people had been arrested for hate speech and defending terrorism since terror attacks killed 20 people in Paris last week, including three gunmen. The crackdown came as Charlie Hebdo's defiant new issue sold out before dawn around Paris, with scuffles at kiosks over dwindling copies of the satirical weekly that fronted the Prophet Muhammad anew on its cover.

President Francois Hollande, speaking aboard the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier to members of the military, said the situation "justifies the presence of our aircraft carrier."

One of the Paris gunmen had claimed allegiance to the Islamic State group, while two others said they were backed by Yemen's al-Qaida branch. France is already carrying out airstrikes against the Islamic State group in Iraq.

A top leader of Yemen's al-Qaida branch claimed responsibility Wednesday for the Charlie Hebdo massacre that left 12 dead at the paper, saying in a video the massacre came in "vengeance for the prophet." The newspaper had received repeated threats previously for posting caricatures of Muhammad.

A high-ranking French intelligence official told The Associated Press on Wednesday that authorities see the claim as "opportunistic" and that AQAP appears to have served as an inspiration instead of orchestrating the attacks. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to be able to discuss sensitive intelligence matters.

US intelligence officials, however, said they have no evidence AQAP coordinated the attack or knew about it in advance. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss classified matters publicly.

Since the attacks, France has deployed 10,000 troops and 120,000 security forces in an area the size of Texas to protect sensitive sites, including Jewish schools and synagogues, mosques and travel hubs. French police say as many as six members of the terror cell may still be at large.

France has been tightening security and searching for accomplices since the terror attacks began, but none of the 54 people mentioned Wednesday have been linked to the attacks. That's raising questions about whether Hollande's Socialist government is impinging on the very freedom of speech that it so vigorously defends when it comes to Charlie Hebdo.

Among those detained for a Facebook posting was Dieudonne, a popular and controversial comic who has repeated convictions for racism and anti-Semitism. He was later released and will be put on trial next month for justifying terrorism, a judicial official said on condition of anonymity in keeping with French custom.

Like many European countries, France has strong laws against hate speech, especially anti-Semitism in the wake of the Holocaust.

The Justice Ministry sent a letter to all French prosecutors and judges urging more aggressive tactics against racist or anti-Semitic speech or acts. The order did not mention Islam.

The core of Charlie Hebdo's staff died a week ago when gunmen stormed its offices, igniting three days of bloodshed around Paris that left 17 victims dead. The attacks ended Friday when security forces killed both Charlie Hebdo gunmen —brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi — and an accomplice — Amedy Coulibaly — who killed a policewoman and later four hostages at a kosher grocery.

Working out of borrowed offices, the Charlie Hebdo employees who survived put out a new weekly issue Wednesday. Its 50,000 copies ran out nearly immediately. Due to the high demand, the print run was increased to 5 million, according to spokeswoman Anne Hommel — 100 times the usual circulation. Kiosk operators in Paris told people to return Thursday for a second run.

Media watchdog Reporters Without Borders said Google is among many companies and individuals who donated money to produce this week's edition of Charlie Hebdo. The issue was distributed in 18 countries outside France and translated into other languages.

Many Muslims believe their faith forbids depictions of the prophet, and reacted with dismay — and occasionally anger — to the latest cover image. Some who had supported Charlie Hebdo after the terror attacks felt betrayed and others feared the cartoon would trigger yet more violence.

The publication raised tensions in Turkey, and caused huge crowds and frenzied eBay bidding in some European countries.

In its message to prosecutors and judges, France's Interior Ministry said it was issuing the crackdown on hate speech order to protect freedom of expression from comments that could incite violence or hatred. It said no one should be allowed to use their religion to justify hate speech.

The government order warned authorities to be particularly attentive to any incidents that could lead to urban unrest or violence against police. That suggests the government fears new riots like the wave which swept through France's neglected housing projects and immigrant communities a decade ago.

The government is writing broader new rules on phone-tapping and other intelligence to fight terrorism, spokesman Stephane Le Foll said. It also is launching a deeper project to rethink France's education system, urban policies and integration model, in an apparent recognition that the terror attacks exposed deeper problems about inequality in France, especially at its housing projects.

Dieudonne, a comic who popularized an arm gesture that resembles a Nazi salute and who has been convicted repeatedly of racism and anti-Semitism, is no stranger to controversy. His provocative performances were banned last year but he has a core following among France's disaffected youth.

The comic wrote an open letter to France's interior minister. "You are looking for a pretext to forbid me. You consider me like Amedy Coulibaly when I am not any different from Charlie," he wrote.

Coulibaly had claimed allegiance to the Islamic State group, while the Kouachi brothers told survivors they were sent by al-Qaida in Yemen.

Defending his caricature of Muhammad on Charlie Hebdo's latest cover, cartoonist Renald Luzier argued that no exceptions should be made when it comes to the freedom of expression.

He said when the weekly was threatened before, the reaction was often: "Yes, but you shouldn't do that (publish cartoons of Muhammad). Yes, but you deserved that."

"There should be no more 'Yes, but," he insisted.

Prime Minister Manuel Valls displayed a copy of the satirical paper as he left a Cabinet meeting Wednesday but his hand carefully covered Muhammad's face.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/14/dieudonne-trial-charlie-hebdo_n_6472480.html
 
this ass hat has a history of hate speech,
he started a downward seig-heil thing a while back,

and hate speech laws are in place in France.

he deserves to be arrested

a policewoman lost her life in service while that Dieudonné fucktard sides with the terrorist criminal who took away her life
 
There's some degree of irony in honoring the deaths of cartoonists who died for free speech by arresting people for making dumb jokes on Facebook.
 
this ass hat has a history of hate speech,
he started a downward seig-heil thing a while back,

and hate speech laws are in place in France.

he deserves to be arrested
No, for all the shitty and heinous stuff he says he should be able to say it.

You cannot have a selective indignation.
(And it plays fully in his victim narrative)
 

Beaulieu

Member
this guy is an asshole antisemite cunt but this arrest is a little too much

edit : also people here need to understand that free speech has a limit, hate speech takes over free speech.
 

Stet

Banned
regardless of the legality of it, arresting him was a huge mistake because it's exactly what he and his fanbase want.
 

Beaulieu

Member
this ass hat has a history of hate speech,
he started a downward seig-heil thing a while back,

and hate speech laws are in place in France.

he deserves to be arrested

a policewoman lost her life in service while that Dieudonné fucktard sides with the terrorist criminal who took away her life

he was at the walk and "sided" (very reluctantly) with charlie hebdo at the 2006 trial tho'. Even showed up at the courtroom.
 

esms

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There's some degree of irony in honoring the deaths of cartoonists who died for free speech by arresting people for making dumb jokes on Facebook.

So much irony. Then again, I'm not familiar with exactly how "free" speech is in France, so they may be within their rights to arrest him.
 

J10

Banned
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Jb

Member
There's some degree of irony in honoring the deaths of cartoonists who died for free speech by arresting people for making dumb jokes on Facebook.

Making fun of extremists/religion =/= hate speech/supporting terrorism

Who decides what's hate speech and what's not though? Believe it or not some people considered the cartoons hate speech.

Those people were fucking idiots. What was hateful about them?
 

Onemic

Member
So much irony. Then again, I'm not familiar with exactly how "free" speech is in France, so they may be within their rights to arrest him.

I dont think hate speech is considered free speech in France. They're probably viewing what he said as hate speech
 
regardless of the legality of it, arresting him was a huge mistake because it's exactly what he and his fanbase want.
Yeah.
This is really dumb in that regard. At the very least, they could have waited.

That asshole makes a living with this kind of publicity.
 

TheStruggler

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this guy is an asshole antisemite cunt but this arrest is a little too much

edit : also people here need to understand that free speech has a limit, hate speech takes over free speech.

could things written or drawn by Charlie Hebdo be considered hate speech then?

Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation.
 
could things written or drawn by Charlie Hebdo be considered hate speech then?

Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation.

That's satire. Satire falls outside of hate speech laws perhaps?
 

Beaulieu

Member
could things written or drawn by Charlie Hebdo be considered hate speech then?

Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation.

court determined (multiple time) that it wasnt. please guys read about charlie hebdo before commenting in these threads, jeez.

Still dieudonne could pretend it's satire,it's sending a really bad message when the government decides what are the acceptable target.

what?
 
I like the fact that what he says was taken out of context to take the shape of what the media and certain group wants to.

I don't always agree with him, but I understand where he comes from and where all this frustration originates from. Preaching free speech that some consider provocation while condemning others for the same thing is so ugly.
 

Baki

Member
That's satire. Satire falls outside of hate speech laws perhaps?

Not really. In 2009, a Charlie Hebdo cartoonist (sine) was fired for making a cartoon parodying Sarkozy becoming Jewish to make money (something along those lines). He was also prosecuted.

While depicting Muslims as terrorists seems to be accepted.

So I guess it depends on the minority group you parody in France.
 

Hari Seldon

Member
Not really. In 2009, a Charlie Hebdo cartoonist (sine) was fired for making a cartoon parodying Sarkozy becoming Jewish to make money (something along those lines). He was also prosecuted.

While depicting Muslims as terrorists seems to be accepted.

So I guess it depends on the minority group you parody in France.

Yeah that is the entire problem with limited free speech. What is free depends on the current political climate.
 
Source: m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6468614
This is so interesting. Mehdi Hassan was quoting someone who actually said that if someone went to these rallies supporting the attackers, they would be beaten or arrested

Consider also the "thought experiment" offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"?
 

rambis

Banned
Not really. In 2009, a Charlie Hebdo cartoonist (sine) was fired for making a cartoon parodying Sarkozy becoming Jewish to make money (something along those lines). He was also prosecuted.

While depicting Muslims as terrorists seems to be accepted.

So I guess it depends on the minority group you parody in France.
Its crazy how people ignore the double standards that minority groups face. Maybe if they keep pretending they don't exist, it will magically become true.
 
Hate speech is not Free Speech.

Dieudonné is a hater and inspired a new version of the Sieg Heil salute. The guy is a hater
How is this hate speech bro? You were championing the freedom of speech like a cheerleader in the other threads, but suddenly we must stop. Why?
 

Addi

Member
Not really. In 2009, a Charlie Hebdo cartoonist (sine) was fired for making a cartoon parodying Sarkozy becoming Jewish to make money (something along those lines). He was also prosecuted.

While depicting Muslims as terrorists seems to be accepted.

So I guess it depends on the minority group you parody in France.

This has already been answered in an other thread:

The argument about Siné is missing so much context it's not even funny.

- Siné was fired after making a joke about one of Sarkozy's son marrying a jewish heiress
- Most Charlie writers at the time criticised the firing
- Siné fought the firing in courts and won, Charlie Hebdo being condemned for unfair dismissal
- Editor at the time Philippe Val stepped down a year later. He is well known to be a friend of the Sarkozy family.
 

justjohn

Member
We all know 'freedom of speech" is just an excuse to hate on a certain group. What amazes me is the blatant way in which its being practiced. There's no subtlety to it all. Lmao
 
This is so interesting. Mehdi Hassan was quoting someone who actually said that if someone went to these rallies supporting the attackers, they would be beaten or arrested
I found it far less interesting since it's a pretty grand false equivalence. Condoning violent murder would understandably elicit a stronger reaction from people.
 

Satch

Banned
the concept of free speech popularized by the internet is a joke and i dont get how people go to bat for it so hard but whatever
 
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