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Funny Tim Duncan pic from Team USA's ass whupping yesterday
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MassiveAttack
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Or if they played using NBA rules. the fast break is the bread and butter of half of these players... without the half step off an assist that takes away A TON of offense.. the strange goaltending rules, less penalties allowed, they call more fouls on screens... its a big time adjustment.
Also, for some reason Team USA doesnt have a pure shooter. They really should have gotten someone who is good for the sole purpose of spotting up and knocking down a shot.
Also, for some reason Team USA doesnt have a pure shooter. They really should have gotten someone who is good for the sole purpose of spotting up and knocking down a shot.
StoOgE said:
The US needs to play more international teams, period! Inviting Canada into your Baseball leagues and then calling it a 'World Series' is laughable, same goes for Hockey and Basketball. It's amazing that America invented all these games and can't get the gold medals in it, despite the quality of their professionals. Insularity and individuality is good to a degree, and may be a defining characteristic of America, but if they want dominance in team sports, especially ones that they came up with, they need to sacrifice that mentality.
1) Its been called the World Series before anyone else played it. We shouldnt change the name of our championship game just because other parts of the world start playing it.. besides, all of their good players come here anyway.. its where the money is in baseball. I dont know that we would have had a real shot at winning the Gold Medal in baseball or not (there are a TON of good countries out there), but we more or less had college kids in the olympic trials because the trials were in the middle of the season (as were the olympic games).
2) Our Basketball team is far from our top tier players this year... not to mention, the best international players are now in the NBA. The Spurs are one of the best NBA teams and they are filled with international players.. again, athletes will flock where the best competition and money are, and for basketball its here.
3) Hockey is a Canadian sport, take that up with them. Its really only popular in regions of the U.S.
3) Dont come back in a 100 years and bitch about the way we play football, you dont see me bitching about Rugby, or soccer (yeah, I called it Soccer) or Cricket.
2) Our Basketball team is far from our top tier players this year... not to mention, the best international players are now in the NBA. The Spurs are one of the best NBA teams and they are filled with international players.. again, athletes will flock where the best competition and money are, and for basketball its here.
3) Hockey is a Canadian sport, take that up with them. Its really only popular in regions of the U.S.
3) Dont come back in a 100 years and bitch about the way we play football, you dont see me bitching about Rugby, or soccer (yeah, I called it Soccer) or Cricket.
capslock said:
I would like you to show me where I said that. Baseball players (basketball and American football for that matter) get paid more to play in MBL, NBA and NFL than anywhere else. I dont know about Hockey or not, but I imagine thats much the same. Athletes will come where the money/competition is. If the best players show up for the biggest pay checks, then the competition will be better. Its not as though only Americans play in sports here, baseball has a ton of international players in it (mostly Latin America), Basketball has a growing number of international players.. Football is the exception, but its not like there is a hotbed of football talent in other parts of the world... there is some, but not much.
Im sure if America ever got a bad ass cricket player he would probably move to an area of the world where that is played at a more competitive level.
Hyper edit:
Hockey's championship is for the Stanley Cup, Basketballs is for the NBA title... Super Bowl champs is for the Lombardi trophey, there is no *world* implied in those sports.. only baseball, and the World Series has been played for more than 100 years, long before it was an international game.
Mike Works
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So after they invented hockey, did the USA then invite Canada into the NHL, or did they then invent basketball before starting up any leagues?capslock said:
Mike Works
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No he didn't. An american invented basketball and then one day he was playing it and his basketball got deflated so he hit it with a stick and that's when he invented hockey. And then one day he was trying out new things to hit the puck with and that's when he retroactively invented golf.Shinobi said:
It's all here in the Capslock Book of Cognitive Tomfoolery!
capslock said:
Jeez, you're acting like we haven't completely dominated basketball for years and years and years in the past. This is the first time since using professionals that we haven't won gold. You're talking about team play, and you know what, it takes TIME to play like a team. Other teams have played together for years while this team's only time playing together prior to the Olympics was during the exhibitions. The original qualifying team that were delivering blowouts was gutted due to various reasons, and the newly assembled team failed to provide answers for many key areas: perimeter defense and outside shooting. Also, the average playing age is only 23.6, significantly lower than the 28+ years of age of other teams... But none of this matters since it's a lot easier to just blame the players that decided to show up and scream FUNDAMENTALS!!!! over and over. Americans scream fundamentals over and over, yet I see many more people eager to catch a Mavericks game than a Spurs game. Too bad the '03 finals was 'boring' according to the media, the Detroit games were 'ugly',and Vince Carter has 'gone soft' by popular consensus by shooting more jumpers instead of slamming it on everyone. Fundamentals are in demand indeed.
It's also funny how Americans are criticized for 'showboating,' yet people conveniently ignore the behind the back passes thrown by the Argentinians. Is that fundamental basketball? How we're criticized for calling the time out and supposedly boosting the score, yet the Argentinians can slam one home before the buzzer after holding a significant lead? I honestly didn't mind them doing that, but I find it strange that they don't get criticized for any of that.
Yes, Argentina was the better team. They deserved the win. But to demand the necks of these American players who actually took the time to show up and to suggest that they're fundamentals-lacking, And 1-styled street ballers is ridiculous and disgusting.
Yes, Argentina was the better team. They deserved the win. But to demand the necks of these American players who actually took the time to show up and to suggest that they're fundamentals-lacking, And 1-styled street ballers is ridiculous and disgusting.
Mike Works said:
:lol
kevm3 said:
kevm3 said:
On point like a motherfucker...the hypocricy (not to mention the misinformation) is simply hilarious. The US qualifying team last year were beating teams by an average score of 101-70, were near the top in field goal and three point shooting precentage, steals, rebounds and blocks, featured five players that shot 45% or more from three point range, and had just one game where they didn't win by at least 16 points (the first game against Argentina, which was won by 8...they subsequently demolished them in the final). But yeah, America can't play basketball anymore!!...shut the fuck up.
Never fully understood the concept of calling the national league the "World Series". Sounds like an arrogant marketing trick (America = the World), like we would call the floorball league here in Sweden "World Series" just because noone else was playing floorball at that time. "World" makes it sounds international, but how can it be international when no other countries are playing floorball?
And well, I agree the reason the US basketball team didn't succeed was because they didn't get enough time playing together as a team. But on the other hand, you have to realize that the other national basketball teams DO change and replace players. And they DO play in their own leagues as well. It's not like their playing with the exact same national team for years, and a couple of international games a week or something.
And well, I agree the reason the US basketball team didn't succeed was because they didn't get enough time playing together as a team. But on the other hand, you have to realize that the other national basketball teams DO change and replace players. And they DO play in their own leagues as well. It's not like their playing with the exact same national team for years, and a couple of international games a week or something.
Bottom line is, their best players weren't there. If the best talent in the league was on the squad and they dropped four games in nine starts, then it'd be an issue. But the international teams haven't shown me that they've reached that high a level yet. Give it another ten years though (if that long).
Mike Works
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This just in America also invented the wheel.
FrenchMovieTheme
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give me a break dude. if the NBA sent their 12 best players, we would crush people by 30-40 points a night. could you imagine guys like shaq, kg, duncan, bryant, tmac, kidd, etc ALL on the same team? maybe there will be a "dream team" rebirth in 2008... or maybe not who cares about olympic play! real basketball is almost here ladies
FrenchMovieTheme
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you're right dude, my grammar online has really gone down the shitter in the past few years -_-
shitballs!
shitballs!
FrenchMovieTheme
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perhaps the other countries would close the gap late in garbage time to make the score look respectable, but make no mistake about it, no team could actually compete and stay in the game against the 12 best NBA players
Doom_Bringer
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lol what was the final score
Glad you finally did your Google search on who invented basketball. Where he was when he invented basketball doesn't really matter. Bottom line is, a canuck invented the game, not a yank. If it's any consolation, we suck at the game far more then you do. Then again, we at least sent a baseball team to the Olympics...
Wrongo...like I said, they were beating teams (including Puerto Rico and Argentina) by an average of 31 points a game. Even if that had been cut to half, it still would've been a walkover. And you think a team with Jason Kidd and Mike Bibby leading constant breaks with players like Ray Allen, T-Mac, AI and VC to finish off wouldn't be exciting? They sure looked exciting last year.
Socreges said:
Wrongo...like I said, they were beating teams (including Puerto Rico and Argentina) by an average of 31 points a game. Even if that had been cut to half, it still would've been a walkover. And you think a team with Jason Kidd and Mike Bibby leading constant breaks with players like Ray Allen, T-Mac, AI and VC to finish off wouldn't be exciting? They sure looked exciting last year.
Shinobi said:
No offense, I knew who Naismeth was for quite a while. I go to the University of Texas, which is in the Big 12 conference.. along with the Univesity of Kansas... I went to the game two years ago in Lawrence Kansas (the year both teams went to the Final Four). They point out that there first basketball coach invented the game at every given oppurtunity. That is one of the 15 thousand reasons that they feel they are the greatest basketball school in the history of the universe. Losing to them like we did that year really hurt
Also, TJ Ford won the Naismeth award (national player of the year) his sophmore year (same year).
So thanks for the history lesson.. Independent of who invented the game, or where it was invented.. basketball is an American phenomena. The game took off in the US, and never really caught on in Canada like it did here.
Mike Works
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Hockey may have been invented in Britain, but the USA invented Britain, so it's an American sport through and through
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The average was determined by six countries that didn't even make the Olympics. The two that did, along with the US, held them to 8 and 16 point losses, though they also got destroyed in the other games. I think the Olympics would be much more competitive with teams like Spain and Lithuania, though they'd certainly still embarrass a handful of countries. Just not each night like he suggested.Shinobi said:
Actually, that was just a cheap shot. It's definitely exciting, although I do really like international basketball - better passing and movement.
FrenchMovieTheme
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international rules suck nuts. no defensive 3 second? gay
RobotChant
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FrenchMovieTheme said:
Two roster changes, three at most, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. I would take out Anthony, Marbury, and Okafor (did he even play?) and in their place take a point guard who can run a pick-n-roll, a swing man who is a shooter and a big man who can shoot a jumpshot to back up Duncan or to spread the defense when both are in the game.
Simply put, this has nothing to do with USA basketball in decline. It's an issue of bad selection and inexperience.
Spiritreaver
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Out of curiosity did anyone beside myself care at all about the womens team? They were great.
Mike Works said:
:lol :lol :lol
Socreges said:
Well yeah, but the US also thumped Puerto Rico and Argentina by 26 and 33 points (the former being the host team with a hostile crowd, the latter being the final). And Argentina suffered four losses in that tourney (PR too for that matter), yet were finalists in the world tourney in 2002, and are now Olympic gold medalists. Which is to say I think most of these world teams are pretty close to even. Certainly Canada is as good as Puerto Rico, and Mexico isn't much worse then either squad. So yeah, I agree the team wouldn't win by 30 every night, but they'd have more then their fair share of lopsided victories due to the weapons they possess.
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