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Alex
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Oh god, WoW is a Blizzard game. The shit community was there day one. The game is also filled to the brim with level 60 newbies. I love WoW, despite how much I harp on it, but they need to put something in to train the douchebags.
The community in FFXI was pretty good at first, but now it's just drama, drama, drama. I hate MMO drama, and I refuse to participate in it.
They need to old, fun-loving NA audience back. Remember when the game was new? You'd take your NA party to Gustav or Boyahda or something, invite a random Japanese guy and start scaring the bejeezus out of him by bursting Ancient magic on the sanity of your poor, poor Paladin while your party laughed and clapped.
They say that it was the Japanese we adopted most of our tanking techs from, but I still think it was probably psychotic Tarutaru BLM's with freeze that forced the quality hike.
It was even more fun when you couldn't form a pt with a proper distortion link, so you had to make the Paladin do it, haha. I miss those days
The community in FFXI was pretty good at first, but now it's just drama, drama, drama. I hate MMO drama, and I refuse to participate in it.
They need to old, fun-loving NA audience back. Remember when the game was new? You'd take your NA party to Gustav or Boyahda or something, invite a random Japanese guy and start scaring the bejeezus out of him by bursting Ancient magic on the sanity of your poor, poor Paladin while your party laughed and clapped.
They say that it was the Japanese we adopted most of our tanking techs from, but I still think it was probably psychotic Tarutaru BLM's with freeze that forced the quality hike.
It was even more fun when you couldn't form a pt with a proper distortion link, so you had to make the Paladin do it, haha. I miss those days
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Wow, that video did not help your argument one single bit. There's only 4 different races in FFXI? And the classes have absolutely nothing to differntiate how they look? Not to mention the combat. And I thought the mobs in WoW were poorly animated and boring...
Even accounting for being a shitty video, I can't see that overtaking WoW on it's worst day. I wish I made a video of the horde side of ashenvale back in beta, that was easily one of the most immersive and down right freaky environments I've ever seen. Shame they basically destroyed it.
Even accounting for being a shitty video, I can't see that overtaking WoW on it's worst day. I wish I made a video of the horde side of ashenvale back in beta, that was easily one of the most immersive and down right freaky environments I've ever seen. Shame they basically destroyed it.
MomoPufflet
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I've never played WoW, but FFXI endgame is just bad. Sitting in Dragon's Aery and Valley of Sorrows for 6 hours a day, fighting the same gods 700 times a week, doing dynamis a milion times with a 0.5% chance of getting a popular drop. If you have fun doing these things then I'd like to know what you consider boring.
I played FFXI until I was a lvl 55 war and I just quit. The economy in that game is just horrible. FFXI was my first true MMORPG, I don't count PSO. My favorite part of that game, was the people. I played on Phoenix, and other than the few horrible players, and cocky bastards, the community was really cool. The game itself just sucked. I might be just bitter still, but I seriously hated actually "playing" the game. The only things I really enjoyed, was talking to people, doing stupid random things, and scaring people in my party, by fighting with my Chef's hat on. And that damn video just makes me wanna play again.
SpiderJerusalem
Banned
neat
CrimsonSkies
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I'm sure your Mr. Personality in the game.
Alex
Member
I think I do very well, thanks for the concern, although there's no need to get snippy.. Anyhow, agitated remark or no, I'm not playing right now though, I'm either going to reroll for Battlegrounds in WoW or raise a Red Mage to finish my trio in FFXI.
The problem with WoW being, raising characters bores me. Almost all of the game is played solo, and I'm lacking a partner nowadays.
With FFXI, I wanna get started while I have the time, but with the shaky economy, I'm not sure how to evaluate supporting it currently.
The problem with WoW being, raising characters bores me. Almost all of the game is played solo, and I'm lacking a partner nowadays.
With FFXI, I wanna get started while I have the time, but with the shaky economy, I'm not sure how to evaluate supporting it currently.
Alex
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Er, that's like the last thing I'm trying to do. It's not about being elite, I'm not a competitive person. But there's always going to be swarms of jackasses on Blizzard games, and due to the fact that the extreme bulk of WoW is played solo, there is a lot of late game party flaws outside of well oiled guilds, at least in my experiences.
Eh? The PS2 version isn't based off the PC version, it's vice versa. In fact, every version of this game uses the PS2 version's assets, and yes, that will include the 360 release. About the only things you can expect from the "superior" versions is a better framerate, higher resolutions, and some better anti-aliasing. That's it.DrForester said:
Yes, all users will play together on the same servers. As for the last bit, nobody knows exactly how it's going to work yet (Square Enix has been pretty quiet on the whole thing so far), but it's at least known that you can play FFXI on 360 without a paid Live subscription (via the Silver Plan). So at least there's that.Ferny84 said:
Nope.Ferny84 said:
Um, what?Zaptruder said:
I've agreed with a lot that you've had to say about the game for a long time, Zaptruder, but what's with this bullshit? There are people that don't play 10 hours a day, day after day, and there are people that don't get involved in the drama-games. To just magically assume everyone that plays these games have no lives, are asshats, etc...
...well, it's quite fucking retarded, is what it is.
Nope, it requires the HDD to play, as the entire game installs on it. Sorry.Kuran said:
As for it being worthwhile still? Sure, if you're able to get into it. It has a high learning curve, requires quite a lot of time to get anything done, can get rather repetitive, etc... The game is far from all bad, though, as it has a really interesting storyline, great party mechanics, an awesome job system, really good art direction, a good community, and is quite challenging (hey, I like it that way
). And while I personally have a laundry list of complaints with the title, I still have a lot of fun playing. And really, that's what matters.SatelliteOfLove
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Piepz said:
Great Truth™: Tedious MMO != Difficult MMO
That's why GW and WoW is fun; less pain, more gain.
I'll agree with most of what was said here:
FFXI was my first heavily played MMO. Post-50 the game just gets crazy though. I love the difficulty required personally, but most people aren't interested and as said earlier only 4-6+ hour play sessions were appropriate.
Played CoH - Fun for a month.. then boring. Best part.. character creation. Mindless game.. nothing to it at the time.
WoW - Probably the best "all-around" MMO product out there currently. It's got a bit of everything and does it all fairly well. It's cons are the combat system is fairly weak. In some of the high level instances it really helps to understand the other classes abilities, but for the most part.. it's a fairly casual MMO.
FFXI was my first heavily played MMO. Post-50 the game just gets crazy though. I love the difficulty required personally, but most people aren't interested and as said earlier only 4-6+ hour play sessions were appropriate.
Played CoH - Fun for a month.. then boring. Best part.. character creation. Mindless game.. nothing to it at the time.
WoW - Probably the best "all-around" MMO product out there currently. It's got a bit of everything and does it all fairly well. It's cons are the combat system is fairly weak. In some of the high level instances it really helps to understand the other classes abilities, but for the most part.. it's a fairly casual MMO.
Belfast said:
Quoted for TRUTH. There's some FFXI server which support a very supportive and productive community, and some which suck start a Buick.
As for stuff to do in high end FFXI? I'd say there's shittons to do really. ENMs, BCNMs, spawned NMs, Quests, Missions, Random NMs you decide to camp, mobs for crafting items, etc. etc. blah blah blah. There's a shitton to do. You'll be hard pressed, VERY hard pressed to find a person or group of people who can honestly say, they've done everything in the game to do. All depends on two things. 1) People 2) Jobs. Bout it really. Most folks don't give two shits about a lot of this stuff and get stuck in their own routine and rut. That's your problem, not the game's.
I'm not defending it against being a tedious MMO. It is. It's dependant on people and jobs, no question about it. However, to claim there's not enough to do in the game at all levels is completely ignorant.
Kabuki Waq
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FFXI has horrible Animation and i feel thats why the combat never looks exciting.
Kabuki Waq
Member
I guess i should say FFXI has some of the worst combat Animations in an MMO this gen.
SatelliteOfLove
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Scott said:FFXI happens to be both.
I wouldn't doubt it, actually. It's just I hate when people complain that "it takes skill to get to 60 in n game", and then go on about how they got 60 in WoW in like 3 weeks. So they didn't sit and grind for 3 more months, so?
Kabuki Waq
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Kintaro said:
lets take WOW....its much smoother than ffxi interms of how the animation looks.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Well, I pretty much forgot alot of the game. I will agree that for every mmo the one thing that keeps people staying is the community. Whether the community is filled with close friends are bitter rivals, they will usually be the last thing that keeps a player from deleting their account for good. I for one really miss the old fairy GAF crew, but I also couldn't stand the egocentric high level players at the time.
Wow is pretty much keeping my interest, for the most part and I can see why some are saying that the high level pve stuff is lacking. Luckily the pvp stuff is enough to keep me in the game. I also try to keep the idea that getting the "phat lewts" is more a journy and not the goal as alot of players do. The drama over people ninjaing this and that is really crazy.
I suggest you all look at this btw
http://games.tr0nix.net/wow/xxninja.wmv
Wow is pretty much keeping my interest, for the most part and I can see why some are saying that the high level pve stuff is lacking. Luckily the pvp stuff is enough to keep me in the game. I also try to keep the idea that getting the "phat lewts" is more a journy and not the goal as alot of players do. The drama over people ninjaing this and that is really crazy.
I suggest you all look at this btw
http://games.tr0nix.net/wow/xxninja.wmv
Shouta
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Kabuki Waq said:
Animation-wise, FFXI just lacks in raw numbers (no doubt due to PS2 limitations) but the animations they did have are quite nice and fluid (nothing like seeing Asuran Fists, Dragon Kick, Ground Strike, Steel Cyclone, Retribution and all the end-game weapon skills). WoW's animations on an individual basis isn't as good but it's still quite impressive. WoW just has a LOT more animations (I mean come on, each race has their own dancing animations =P) comparatively.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Kintaro said:
I'd take 1/2 of WoW's animations and mix it with 1/2 of Shadowbane's to make the perfect melee animation.
SpiderJerusalem
Banned
Scott said:
We're running out of Mithras, throw out your xbox. ;D
Scott said:
typically... just a qualifier to stop an entirely broad overgeneralization, into a relatively correct generalization.
To qualify further, it's typically true when you get too into the game. If you don't fall for the lure of the MMO, and can play on a casual basis, you're probably seen as a relative asshat to the asshats that play the game... (as you can't devote the time needed to avail yourself of every nuance of the game as well as get the tons of junk people deem standard for a good player).
You know I never understood these fucking assholes that hate all newcomers to mmorpgs. It's like they think they were never new. I put sooo many hours into PSO, but I actually enjoyed taking a newbie and showing them the ropes. It was fun relieving the experience with someone new, because i liked their expressions when they first saw a particular level. It made me excited about it too. And when I wasn't in the mood for them I just ignored them. But to hear these geeks moan and bitch about new people just kills me. They're such hypocrates. /end rant
Kabuki Waq
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e pluribus scrotum said:
:lol
Kabuki Waq said:
You sure you're not confusing animation for FRAME RATE?
FFXI is locked at 30 fps, once again due to the PS2 version, WoW is 60+ most of the time, thanks to being PC exclusive. I found most of WoW's animations to be fairly jerky, though. When you're jamming on ability hotkeys your character looks like its flailing about.
Edit: Most of the problems of FFXI can be solved by cleaning out the community:
Economy - if people didn't charge so damn much for things and there weren't those few rich players willing to actually buy at those prices, it wouldn't fuck it up for everybody else.
Parties - Party dynamics are GREAT, which is why a party working at its most efficient can eat through mobs without downtime. However, the elitism of certain players has trickled down through the community and the obsession with perceived ultimate efficiency keeps most players from exploring new options for party configurations. This is why some people end up sitting around forever waiting for parties. People are dicks.
Just plain stupidity - If someone doesn't understand the mechanics of the game, even if you explain them repeatedly, what else can you do about it? Most problems with going out and hunting arise from players not being prepared or forgetting something, or logging off in frustration from dying, or whatever. It needs to be like the Boy Scouts out there, always be prepared!
Now, if S-E could loosen up play for solo (just enough for farming, but not a lot for experience points), you'd only be left with some difficult dungeons/areas/bosses. Which is how it should be. If more people were willing to help with quests and missions, those wouldn't be too much of a pain in the ass either.
Yeah, FFXI is a lot of hard work, but like any hard work, the payoff is what's important. You feel like you really earned whatever you got.