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[chadskin]

A German "murder" victim has been found alive and well in Dusseldorf more than 30 years after her disappearance.

Petra Pazsitka's 1984 disappearance triggered a massive police search when the then-24-year-old student in Braunschweig was reported missing after failing to show up at her brother's birthday.

A suspect in the rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl from the same area confessed to Pazsitka's murder but a body was never found, according to Joachim Grande, a spokesman for the police in Braunschweig.

The cold case was officially closed in 1989 — but heated up again two weeks ago when police in the western German city of Düsseldorf were called to reports of a burglary.

The woman who reported the burglary initially identified herself as "Mrs. Schneider" but when asked for identification confessed that she was Pazsitka, according to Düsseldorf police spokesman Andre Hartwich.

Pazsitka, now 55, told police she had been living without any official documents under a false name in several German cities for the past three decades, Grande said.

"She did not even have a bank account and paid all her bills cash," Grande said, adding that Pazsitka appeared to have been making a small income through illicit work.

According to Grande, Pazsitka would not elaborate on why she was living under a false name or why she disappeared in the first place, saying only that the woman had said family issues were not behind her disappearance.

"Her father passed away a few years ago, but her brother and mother were in shock and tears when they heard the news," the police spokesman said.

However, Grande said Pazsitka has stated she does not want contact with her family or the public. Pazsitka's family has asked police to deliver a letter to her in hopes of one day reuniting, he added.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/g...a-pazsitka-turns-alive-30-years-after-n433511

 

[Kyougar]

Adding to that:

- her case was also on a popular prime TV show (aktenzeichen XY ungelöst, some kind of reenacting of popular crimes to search for the victim or the culprit) after her disappearence
- she will not be put on trial, she did nothing wrong legally.
- MAYBE the state can ask for money, but I think that is past the statute of limitation.

 

[Toxi]

Goddamn it I thought it was gonna be Florida.

What a strange story.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

This is a perfect example of why it's hard to convict someone of a murder without a body. Proving someone actually died without that is difficult, and you never know...sometimes people just pick up their stuff and walk away from their lives.

Very weird story.

 

[Shaanyboi]

However, Grande said Pazsitka has stated she does not want contact with her family or the public. Pazsitka's family has asked police to deliver a letter to her in hopes of one day reuniting, he added.

Pretty shitty on her part.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Must have been some heavy shit gone down.

 

[nacimento]

I knew it was Germany because I saw it in the newspaper earlier. Astonishing stuff.

 

[Lucky Seven]

I got to stop betting on Florida. I haven't been right, lately.

 

[ElTorro]

- she will not be put on trial, she did nothing wrong legally.

Technically, it is illegal to not have a valid ID and not be registered in the town where you live. As far as I know, the worst case penalty for that is only a fine, though.

 

[Madao]

i wonder what happened to the guy that confessed for the supposed crime.

 

[Hip Hop]

Why did she want to disappear from everything? This is weird.

 

[ElTorro]

Why did she want to disappear from everything? This is weird.

Who knows. Maybe she just wanted to cut ties to everybody in her life, or she wanted to flee from somebody.

It's more surprising that this other dude confessed, despite not being her murderer.

 

[hesido]

i wonder what happened to the guy that confessed for the supposed crime.

And under what condition did he have to accept that crime he did not commit? I'm sorry for not reading the original link but did that guy actually think he killed her, but she somehow got away? Or was he convinced by the authorities for this crime?

 

[SamVimes]

Pretty shitty on her part.

People don't usually walk out like that for no reason, i suspect her family was a big part of it.

 

[Shaanyboi]

People don't usually walk out like that for no reason, i suspect her family was a big part of it.

According to Grande, Pazsitka would not elaborate on why she was living under a false name or why she disappeared in the first place, saying only that the woman had said family issues were not behind her disappearance.

Her words.

 

[Chezzymann]

This is the first G/A/F that hasn't been Florida ive seen in months

 

[John Dunbar]

some people just want to be off the grid, man. not everybody likes other people.

 

[Kyougar]

i wonder what happened to the guy that confessed for the supposed crime.

It shouldnt matter.... He killed a 14 year old and that body was found. Why he confessed? Well, there could have been a deal to confess to that crime and get something in return, so that the Police can close another case. That seems more like a consiracy, but after the Wire and real life examples, you could make an argument over that.
OR he just wanted argue that the killing of the 14 year old was random and not personally. or he wanted more "fame" who knows.

Who knows. Maybe she just wanted to cut ties to everybody in her life, or she wanted to flee from somebody.

Even if she says that this was not a family matter. It points to it being just that.
Not likely, but she could have been running from an arranged marriage (a 1 in a million chance that this still happens in germany, but it could.)
Or she was abused and doesnt want to rip open old wounds.
If it was some shady business she was running from, there shouldnt be a case against reuniting with your family.

 

[BlackGoku03]

I guess she saw the opportunity to bounce and took it.

 

[TUSR]

A suspect in the rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl from the same area confessed to Pazsitka's murder but a body was never found, according to Joachim Grande, a spokesman for the police in Braunschweig.

what

 

[Simon Belmont]

Germany/Austria/France?

 

[cheststrongwell]

She looks like some kind of fucked up E.T. in that pic.

 

[Jenov]

She looks like some kind of fucked up E.T. in that pic.

 

[akira28]

what about that confession? what gives? did they beat it out of him?

 

[InfiniteBento]

Its sad her family knows she's out there alive only to now understand she wants nothing to do with them.

 

[way more]

I thought this would be about the story of the man in Uganda who was on death row for 18 years and then they found out his "victim" was alive and well. The "victim" went into hiding in order to frame the innocent man.

In 1982 Mpagi Edward Edmary, a Ugandan taxi driver, was sentenced to death for the brutal murder of his neighbour. But not only was Edward an innocent man, there hadn't even been a murder. Edward had been framed after a land dispute between families in the village got out of hand. Witnesses were bribed to say they had seen him kill the man and dispose of the body. He spent the next 20 years in Kampala's notorious Luzira prison and was only released when his family proved that the dead man had been hiding out in another part of the country

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p033d7gk

He now campaigns to abolish the death penalty

 

[chadskin]

what about that confession? what gives? did they beat it out of him?

In another unrelated murder case in Germany, one (mentally challenged) man first admitted to killing a young girl in 2001, then retracted his statement again but was still jailed for life in 2004 because of his first admission of guilt. Due to his IQ of 68, they didn't think he'd be capable of making up a story as detailed as the one he did and accepted his admission in court.

In a retrial last year, though, they found that he couldn't possibly have killed her and he was subsequently released.

May be a similar case here. Or he thought he had nothing to lose anyway and it would up his street cred in prison.

 

[Walpurgis]

This lady sounds evil. What's her problem?

 

[JeTmAn81]

Pretty weird. Reminds me of a certain book/film series where pretty much this exact thing happens.

 

[scarlet]

Gone girl the true story

 

[TAJ]

Pretty weird. Reminds me of a certain book/film series where pretty much this exact thing happens.

I don't know anything about the sequels. But the first one? Yup, first thing I thought of.

 

[Dai Kaiju]

Gone girl the true story

My ex has been trying to recreate the events of gone girl IRL but it hasn't been working out well for her so far.

 

[Shinjica]

Adding to that:

- her case was also on a popular prime TV show (aktenzeichen XY ungelöst, some kind of reenacting of popular crimes to search for the victim or the culprit) after her disappearence
- she will not be put on trial, she did nothing wrong legally.
- MAYBE the state can ask for money, but I think that is past the statute of limitation.

She survived doing illicit works so, yes, she has do something bad to be prosecute legally

 

[Chamber]

My ex has been trying to recreate the events of gone girl IRL but it hasn't been working out well for her so far.

 

[wrowa]

what about that confession? what gives? did they beat it out of him?

No, he confessed the murder, but they never actually believed him, since he was psychologically unstable and his statement contradictory.

He got jailed for 8 years, I think (for the murder of the 14 year old).

 

[Fritz]

Adding to that:

- her case was also on a popular prime TV show (aktenzeichen XY ungelöst, some kind of reenacting of popular crimes to search for the victim or the culprit) after her disappearence
- she will not be put on trial, she did nothing wrong legally.
- MAYBE the state can ask for money, but I think that is past the statute of limitation.

Yeah I don't think she paid taxes in cash so at least tax evasion should be on her list.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Someone confessed to her murder? This case has it, cant wait for the movie.

 

[Sölf]

That's strange. Why would he give a confession? Why doesn't she give a reason for why she did what she did?

Aliens? Government conspiracy? Kojima stunt?

 

[Kyougar]

Yeah I don't think she paid taxes in cash so at least tax evasion should be on her list.

Taxes are paid by the seller or the employer in Germany. A normal person cant evade tax unless they either do black jobs or be an employer themself.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I knew it was Germany because I saw it in the newspaper earlier. Astonishing stuff.

That's cheating

 

[Moff]

is that harrison ford?
and why is she standing on a roof?

 

[Frodo]

Gone girl done almost right.

I think he is the guy who's ex is a creepy, out of control stalker that even had/still has several alternate GAF accounts to stalk him.

 

[borborygmus]

is that harrison ford?

Uhhhh... Get your eyes checked?

Anyway, I wonder what the hell her reason could be, if not family issues. What's she hiding?

 

[dodosaurus]

germany making a comeback in G/A/F threads

 

[BigDes]

That's strange. Why would he give a confession? Why doesn't she give a reason for why she did what she did?

Aliens? Government conspiracy? Kojima stunt?

There are always people who want to confess to shit they didn't do.

A lot of the times when there is a big crime you often get people coming in to the police station saying they did it. Its why the police never release all the details of a crime, so that they can use it to winnow out the crazies.

 

[cntr]

strange, innit

 

[Clefargle]

G/A/F/ Stands for what?

Guess _______ _________?

 

[Chariot]

G/A/F/ Stands for what?

Guess _______ _________?

Germany/Australia/Florida commonly, since a lot of weird things happened specifically there. Although for a time it was also Georgia/Alabama/Florida since Germany was very silent. But well, it's coming back for a few months now.

 

[Clefargle]

Germany/Australia/Florida commonly, since a lot of weird things happened specifically there. Although for a time it was also Georgia/Alabama/Florida since Germany was very silent. But well, it's coming back for a few months now.

Thanks lol