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[maynerd]

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9103/Gabe-Newell-Xbox-360-Makes-My-Life-Worse/

The latest issue of Computer Gaming World has an interview with Gabe Newell, Valve Software’s founder and managing director, in which the developer of Half-Life 2 and Counter-Strike discusses various topics including the release date of Aftermath, Lost Coast and Day of the Defeat Source.

Gabe also had time so discuss Windows Vista, the next-generation operating system from Microsoft due out late next year, and the Xbox 360.

"Look, I spoke to some people at Microsoft, and as I said, I can't point to a single feature in Vista that I care about that solves problems for us at all. And I had the same conversation with the Xbox 360 guys. It's like, Xbox 360 doesn't make my life any better, and in fact, it makes it a lot worse, as you're telling me I can't count on having a hard drive."
As you can see, Valve’s head honcho and former Microsoft employee isn’t happy about the fact that developers can’t rely on the Xbox 360 hard drive and he’s probably not the only developer who feels that way.

Make sure you pick up the latest issue of CGW, which hit stands next week. There are more interesting items in that interview, including Valve’s revelation that EA plans to offer a Steam-like service in the near future.

 

[urk]

Did I miss something? Is Valve developing for 360?

If not, his quote is pointless. If so, then maybe he should jump ship to the PS3, where the drive will be standard. Oh, wait.

 

[open_mouth_]

Did I miss something? Is Valve developing for 360?

If not, his quote is pointless. If so, then maybe he should jump ship to the PS3, where the drive will be standard. Oh, wait.

:lol nicely done.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

i dont care about the HDD stuff as much as the fact that EA wants to use that steam crap.

 

[Deku Tree]

I wouldn't be surprised if the lack of a standard HDD was the real reason HL2 was not ported to x360.

 

[sprsk]

sony has not announced wether or not the hd will be standard.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

I thought this thread meant that he owns an Xbox 360 already.

I was going to say - WTF? How is that?

 

[Doom_Bringer]

sony has not announced wether or not the hd will be standard.

Wrong! Kutaragi said they don't plan to ship a HDD with the system.

 

[123rl]

You can always rely on at least one person to ignore the whole point of the thread and resort to damage control. I'd add a smilie here but I'm deadly serious and it isn't funny...it's pretty sad tbh

 

[maynerd]

Did I miss something? Is Valve developing for 360?

If not, his quote is pointless. If so, then maybe he should jump ship to the PS3, where the drive will be standard. Oh, wait.

No it's not pointless. He says that the X360 does not make his life easier. MS has been touting the ease of development for their Xbox and X360 for some time now. This is one of the most infuential developers in America. This is hardly pointless. If the HD was standard it would seem that Valve would definately develop for the X360 over the PS3 now it may not. This hurts X360 anyway you slice it.

 

[sprsk]

Wrong! Kutaragi said they don't plan to ship a HDD with the system.

kaz hirai says otherwise

 

[Shompola]

He has been bitching about X360 and PS3 since they were unveiled. Hes probably pissed about his engine being so damn old fashioned even when Hl2 was released. a weak person.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Truth is that Valve is S L O W. So it makes sense that they want things to be as easy as possible when doing ports.

Being an ex-MS employee, I'm sure Gabe has some love/hate going on with that company. He was probably excited about the concept of PC games being easy to port on the 360. But if some (or most) of your userbase is without HD access, that will not be the case.

 

[Newduck]

As much as i can see developers being annoyed at the lack of HDD, it coming from valve doesnt really give me much sympathy. Now valve may actually have to create an engine where they spend time optimising the caching and loading, heavens no!

 

[xsarien]

Did I miss something?

Yes, the mother of all press releases from E3 where Microsoft listed, among other things, a hard drive as "standard with every XBox 360 system."

 

[IJoel]

I can imagine Valve is quite annoyed at not having the entire userbase with a HDD as they probably were considering the prospect of a console Steam. Obviously, MS screwed them with the dual skus situation.

 

[urk]

Basically, it's cool to ask your pc base to drop a few hundred bucks to play your game at peak settings and provide a scaled back experience to those that don't, but totally out of skew to ask 360 adopters to pick up a $99 hard drive to have the best gaming quality.

Dur!

 

[Shompola]

Nah... MS "screwed" them when they found out that the cpu cores lack any significant OOOe logic. I think he shat his pants when he found that out lol.

 

[Ulairi]

As much as i can see developers being annoyed at the lack of HDD, it coming from valve doesnt really give me much sympathy. Now valve may actually have to create an engine where they spend time optimising the caching and loading, heavens no!

This has less to do with their engine and more to do with STEAM and the mod community. I was hoping that the nextgen consoles would finally embrace the mod community but MS just killed that.

 

[teiresias]

I'm sure the donut stains on his shirts come standard.

 

[Open Source]

Man, PC developers who can't hack it on consoles sure do cry a lot.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

Wrong! Kutaragi said they don't plan to ship a HDD with the system.

I wonder if that will change now that he's seen what MS is doing? Either that or it gives him even more incentive not to make the HDD standard with PS3.

Hopefully Sony spills the beans at TGS.
Regardless, this quote from Gabe is the most significant to me:

As you can see, Valve’s head honcho and former Microsoft employee isn’t happy about the fact that developers can’t rely on the Xbox 360 hard drive and he’s probably not the only developer who feels that way.

I'm guessing this is aimed mostly towards PC-centric developers (maybe some console developers that worked on XBox and depended on the HDD), but since MS does rely a lot on PC ports to bulk their line-up, I can see this being a legitimate problems.
Naturally the die-hard X-bots that will raid this thread will laugh and point their fingers @ Gabe's comments, but this is a concern people planning on buying a 360 have had since the two SKUs have been announced. How many potentially great projects will skip development for 360 (and/or get noticiable downgrades) due to the HDD not being standard? I don't think you can turn the finger around to Sony and say "well, THEY probably won't have it standard either!"- since, unlike XBox, PS2 didn't have a standard HDD. Sony also doesn't rely on PC ports to bulk their line-up, so I don't necessarily feel it's the same issue.

*shrug* Then again, maybe it won't be an issue at all for either system? Times ahead will tell. Unfortunately, though, it seems Gabe won't be too anxious to prep a potential Half-Life 3 for 360 in the distant future.

 

[psycho_snake]

Wrong! Kutaragi said they don't plan to ship a HDD with the system

kaz hirai says otherwise

So are sony planning to ship a HDD with PS3 or not?

 

[TTP]

Man, PC developers who can't hack it on consoles sure do cry a lot.

.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Basically, it's cool to ask your pc base to drop a few hundred bucks to play your game at peak settings and provide a scaled back experience to those that don't, but totally out of skew to ask 360 adopters to pick up a $99 hard drive to have the best gaming quality.

Dur!

you are comparing two very different things.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

I'm sure the donut stains on his shirts come standard.

:lol

What a fat disgusting sloth.

 

[maynerd]

:lol

What a fat disgusting sloth.

A rich sloth though. :lol

 

[dorio]

Man, PC developers who can't hack it on consoles sure do cry a lot.

Yeah, makes all my bitchin' seem minor. I would like to slap them in the head and say "Get over it already and start coding".

 

[WordofGod]

:lol

What a fat disgusting sloth.

Y would you say something so hurtful about someone you don't even know?

"It is the thought-life that defiles you. For from within, out of a person's heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, eagerness for lustful pleasure, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you and make you unacceptable to God."

 

[Piepz]

In other article he said that he isn't happy with next gen consoles (X360 and PS3) at all!
He also called fanboys idiots who thinks that PS3 is 1.5x - 2x more powerful than X360...
Did you forgot that ?

 

[TheJollyCorner]

Y would you say something so hurtful about someone you don't even know?

do you really have to ask that question? :lol
It's the internet, where you don't have to look someone in the eyes to tell them what you really feel.... or in Gabe's case, you don't have to smell the one week old cheetos that have mixed with his chunk sweat.

 

[SteveMeister]

I can imagine Valve is quite annoyed at not having the entire userbase with a HDD as they probably were considering the prospect of a console Steam. Obviously, MS screwed them with the dual skus situation.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

It's not rocket science to write your game to use the HDD if it's there, and not use it if it's not. The game experience might be different, i.e. longer load times without, but as long as you don't need anything that's not on the optical disk to begin with, you should be able to make it work.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

:lol

What a fat disgusting sloth.

That was completely uncalled for.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Gabe from Valve owns the X360

i thought this thread was going to be about Gabe releasing pics of himself sitting on the floor of his empty livingroom, playing Xbox 360.

 

[xsarien]

do you really have to ask that question? :lol
It's the internet, where you don't have to look someone in the eyes to tell them what you really feel.... or in Gabe's case, you don't have to smell the one week old cheetos that have mixed with his chunk sweat.

:lol


What a fat disgusting sloth.

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=23386

It's time to step up to the plate, kids. Or are you too busy modeling CK boxers?

 

[cyberheater]

F**k him. MS doesn't need him. MS really tried to get HL2 as a launch title on 360 but he insisted on doing only the port to Xbox.

Half Life is overated.

I'm sure he'll regret his descision when PDZ, Quake 4 and Halo 3 all come out. And shock horror. None of those need a hard drive too.

 

[Redbeard]

 

[maynerd]

F**k him. MS doesn't need him. MS really tried to get HL2 as a launch title on 360 but he insisted on doing only the port to Xbox.

Half Life is overated.

I'm sure he'll regret his descision when PDZ, Quake 4 and Halo 3 all come out. And shock horror. None of those need a hard drive too.

They should have tried harder.

 

[bishoptl]

Half Life is overated.

You're an idiot. No really, I'm serious - no joking around or facetious or anything like that, I really mean what I'm saying.

You

Are

An

Idiot.

 

[DarienA]

You're an idiot. No really, I'm serious - no joking around or facetious or anything like that, I really mean what I'm saying.

You

Are

An

Idiot.

What do you really feel about this Bish? You didn't find his post to be full of amazing insight?

 

[bill0527]

No it's not pointless. He says that the X360 does not make his life easier. MS has been touting the ease of development for their Xbox and X360 for some time now. This is one of the most infuential developers in America. This is hardly pointless. If the HD was standard it would seem that Valve would definately develop for the X360 over the PS3 now it may not. This hurts X360 anyway you slice it.

One of the most influential developers? HA HA HA.

Lets see.. Valve Xbox games... hmm none

Valve PS2 Games.... none

Valve PC games in the last 4 years.... ONE !!!

Nowhere did he say he was giving up on Xbox360 because it was too difficult for him. Nowhere did he say he was cancelling Vista or Xbox360 projects.

The only thing positive I can say is that your post gets an A- for its overdramatic efforts.

 

[teiresias]

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=23386

It's time to step up to the plate, kids. Or are you too busy modeling CK boxers?

I was actually referencing a joke made in an earlier topic concerning choice quotes from Gabe, but if you really want to see me I can give you my gay.com screenname if you'd like to brave going to my profile over there. I can't upload any pics to my university webspace at the moment though, so I can't post them in the pics topic.

 

[Particle Physicist]

F**k him. MS doesn't need him. MS really tried to get HL2 as a launch title on 360 but he insisted on doing only the port to Xbox.

Half Life is overated.

I'm sure he'll regret his descision when PDZ, Quake 4 and Halo 3 all come out. And shock horror. None of those need a hard drive too.

maybe you should take pdz out of your list. i wouldnt compare it to hl2 .

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Y would you say something so hurtful about someone you don't even know?

It maybe hurtful but it's the truth...

- 3 chins > fat.

- grease stains on his shirt, probably chicken grease off his fingers > disgusting.

- whining about no hdd that he can use to make life easier, laziness > sloth.

 

[chespace]

"The Xbox 360 doesn't make my life any better. In fact, it makes it a lot worse."

A quote from the Gabe Newell video interview we're posting this Friday. He goes off on next-gen. PS3 isn't spared either.

http://valve.1up.com

 

[Yusaku]

Basically, it's cool to ask your pc base to drop a few hundred bucks to play your game at peak settings and provide a scaled back experience to those that don't, but totally out of skew to ask 360 adopters to pick up a $99 hard drive to have the best gaming quality.

Dur!

Valve targets their games to be optimized for 3 year old PCs. It still looks great on DX7 and 8 hardware, as the Xbox port shows. Good try with the damage control though.

 

[Nerevar]

maybe you should take pdz out of your list. i wouldnt compare it to hl2 .

I wouldn't compare any of those turds to Half-Life (well, outside of Halo 3 which my crystal ball says we won't see until 2007 at the earliest).

 

[Gek54]

OMG Devs actually use the HDD? Cog in total shock.

 

[bishoptl]

So let me get this straight - instead of looking at the issues he raises and addressing them, you take shots at his weight instead?

I'd ask some of you Mensa candidates exactly how many AAA titles you've shipped, but that would be a waste of time.

Continue wallowing in your own ignorance.

 

[cyberheater]

You're an idiot. No really, I'm serious - no joking around or facetious or anything like that, I really mean what I'm saying.

You

Are

An

Idiot.

And you are the final arbiter on what's good or not are you - *rolls eyes*

I played it for a quite a few hours and I though it was one long bore fest. The thing that killed it for me was the crap (much lauded) A.I. Totally pish. I honestly thought the A.I on Turok 2 was better.

Doom 3 was a much better game as far as i'm concerned. The A.I might have been on rails but a least the game was fun and frightening.