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There was one for Bush, so I don't see why there can't be one for Kerry. Will those that support Kerry list there reasons as to why they're voting for him? I'm voting for him because while I beleive he is far from perfect, I think he will be able to make much better decisions than Bush. He totally owned Bush during the debate. When asked a question he always seemed to have an answer, whereas Bush always seemed to have to pull something out of his butt. He couldn't answer a question without starting with "Umm.., well..., uh..." etc.
 
I think that after 4 years the current administration has pushed the country into the wrong direction. This is an adminstration that has not been upfront with the American people and will hide and obscure facts at will (how could we go to war without anyone knowing how much is was going to cost?). I'm am someone who is not moved by people's "personal" qualities. I am looking at the policies. And the polices under this current administration have moved us backwards domestically and internationally. We've seen this current adminstrations plan and it failed why give them more time to do more damage?
 
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Foreign perspective.

George Bush is a very very dimwitted man. Everybody not in the US thinks it.
 

Saturnman

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I am not really a Kerry supporter (very weak candidate IMHO), I'm more of anti-Bush fellow.

I do tend to lean towards the Democrats most of the times, but I could see myself supporting a Republican candidate. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there is a way within an American party for a rival to challenge Bush and take his place. A president that makes a first term automatically secures his run for a second term, no matter how bad he may be.

Since Bush can not be challenged from within, he has to be challenged at the polls hence my support for Kerry: easiest way to get rid of Bush..
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Because the entire Bush Administration if fucking corrupt and evil, and I'd vote for a pedophile if it meant bringing them down.
 
cause i hate bush's dumb ass.....

the guy is stupid. its as if homer simpson is the president of the united states.

guy: what do you think tribal sovereignty mean in the 21st century.

bush: tribal sovereignty means that.....its sovereign...you're a....youve been given sovereignty and you're viewed as a sovereign entity...

wow.....thats just sad....

peace
 
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Vennt

Unconfirmed Member
Another foreign perspective:

Bush is a stupid, anachronistic war-hawk, leading America into a hopeless pit of elitist isolationism, "Might is right" is not a good thing to teach, and it increases the dangers of this world, it does not reduce them.

My British, un-important opinion.
 

Fatalah

Member
Because John Kerry is an exceptional man.

Just go to www.goingupriver.com and watch the trailer.

Back before he campaigned, when John Kerry was REALLY John Kerry--he was the man. The campaign has dressed him up a bit too much, but he's really the type of guy I could gravitate to in a classroom if I had a group assignment. He's a team leader I can trust, a guy who'll care if you're okay.
 
Synbios459 said:
GAF Kerry supporters, why?

Why am I voting for Kerry? Bush hasn't made good on barely a single promise from his 2000 election campaign.



1. Bush talked big about public school reform. He hasn't given our public schools an ounce of additional funding.

2. Bush also promised to restructure medicare and medicaid for the better. Instead, he has cut funding from both programs to give tax cuts to the wealthy twice in the last 4 years.

3. But wait, you say low income families depend on programs like medicaid/medicare? Well too bad, Bush also doesn't give a shit about your job. Bush hasn't done anything about our jobs being exported to India etc.

4. Bush refuses to increase minimun wage, which is currently at below poverty levels. $5.25 an hour.

5. Bush has pandered to industry at the expense of our environment. Lowering many pollution restrictions and requirments so his billionaire goons can profit.

6. Much like our environment, Bush has pandered to corporations in our corrupt Healthcare and Pharmaceutical markets. Bush refuses to let the government step in so his billionaire goons can continue to profit at the expense of others.

7. Bush talks big about homeland security. Our airport and border security is still beyond horrible. Our police forces in major cities still do not have the funding to fight a biological terrorst attack, while small towns in the middle of nowhere (i.e. Wyoming) can.

8. Bush talks big about being tough on terrorism. Bin Laden is still running free and the real war on terrorism is being ignored, because Bush decided to lie his war into a fraudulent Iraqi war. A war that has sucked our resources dry. He claims the world is safer post-Saddam, but one look at the news says otherwise. Now Iraq has turned into a terrorist hot spot due to our occupation. Iraq's current state is also a total mess, and the Bush administration will not admit to a single mistake. Instead they lie to our people claiming total success.

9. Our economy is shit. We have lossed a million jobs under Bush. The most in 75 years.

10. Bush promised to raised the maximun amount for Student Loans, but then went and capped off the maximun at $1,000+ lower than promised. Like mentioned above with medicare/medicaid, the Student Loans Program also faced a funding cut to give the wealthy tax breaks twice in the last 4 years.

11. We had the world on our side post-9/11. Bush has flushed that down the drain with horrible foreign policy.

13. The Bush administration constantly used fear tactics, and other dirty tactics to garner votes.

14. I don't want to vote for a retard who got where he is today because of his family's power and money. And to think Bush is firmly against legacy college admissions, which is the sole reason he got to drink through 4 years of Yale, and then Harvard business school.



I'm voting for Kerry because I think he will bring better foreign policy to the table. I'm voting for Kerry because I'm sick that the Republicans pissed away the last 4 years accomplishing nothing. Unless you count them recently trying to push the gay marriage ban, which they knew would never pass, through congress to distract from the real issues this elections. I think the democrats will come through on more of their promises, and not pander to the rich man, and industry. I'm voting for Kerry because he cares about our environment. I'm voting for Kerry because I want to see reform in our healthcare system. I'm voting for Kerry because 4 more years of Bush is the worst thing possible for this country. Bush won't admite his mistakes, and refuses to budge from his current policies.

My entire family, minus myself, voted Bush in 2000, and every single one of them now regret it. They voted for dead soldiers, and broken promises.
 
Cerebral Palsy said:
14. I don't want to vote for a retard who got where he is today because of his family's power and money. And to think Bush is firmly against legacy college admissions, which is the sole reason he got to drink through 4 years of Yale, and then Harvard business school.


Good points but I take issue with this one. Let's not pretend that Kerry has ever been an everyday man. The both have come from lives of prividlege hell I think they are related.
 

Gruco

Banned
Why I like Kerry -

Education - Make market for teachers more competitive by raising pay while limiting the role of seniority and tenure. Expaning college scholarship opportunities.

Environment - consistently highly rated by Sierra Club, League of Conservation voters. Seems to have realistic energy policy.

Millitary - realizes that developing more special ops might be somehow useful in war on terror.

Crime - Former prosecutor, supports expanding police force...

Health care - wants universal health care for children. I suppose his high cost coverage system isn't perfect, but I understand the rationale of removing that aspect from the general market, lowering overall premiums.

Litigation - Supports sane, rational ways to fight litigation abuse, with "reasonable claim" specialists, and sanctions for unwarranted claims, rather than incredibly stupid damage caps.

Economics - supports defecit reduction, knows that debts have to be paid eventually, understands the concept of "diminishing marinal utility" when it comes to taxation....

I like almost all of John Kerry's proposals as they stand, and am convinced that he is working hard on policy analysis. I do worry about the reality of implementing them, as he will get resisitence from the teachers unions, the house, and the conflicting budget pulls of all his varying priorities. Realistically I think rolling back the top tax brackets won't be enough, so if he wins he'll either catch flak for cutting his program propasals or rasising taxes more than he said he would.

I like him even more when taking into consideration Bush's incompetence, but he does all right even without it.

also omg 3 purple hearts
 

gblues

Banned
Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden are also "not Bush." Would you vote for them if they were the Democrat nominee?

Not that I equate Kerry with either of them--I merely use hyperbole to illustrate that "not Bush" is an extremely flawed basis for deciding who runs the f'ing country.

Nathan
 

Saturnman

Banned
gblues said:
Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden are also "not Bush." Would you vote for them if they were the Democrat nominee?

Not that I equate Kerry with either of them--I merely use hyperbole to illustrate that "not Bush" is an extremely flawed basis for deciding who runs the f'ing country.

Nathan

Come on, this is common sense.

It's a matter of the lesser of two evils. Voting for Saddam would be worse than Bush. Kerry is the only viable alternative in a two party system (Nader is not even in the ballot in all states and thus no shot at the presidency). Limited choices means hard choices.
 

Phoenix

Member
Because Bush has demonstrated that he is willing to trample on our civil rights, he is willing to pursue this moronic policy of preventive warfare, he is interested in pursuing solitary/isolationist policies, he has not been attentive to the real threats to world peace (nuclear North Korea), he has founded the US's home grown version of the KGB in the department of homeland security, he can't admit he's wrong, he is doing absolutely nothing for education, he is doing absolutely nothing to REALLY solve our dependence on foreign oil, he is doing nothing about the human rights violations in Dafur, he has yet to take any step to resolve the rising cost of health care, he has yet to take any steps to resolve the issues with senior medications, etc.

Bush has done nothing in 4 years that I can point to and say that I support.
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
Cerebral Palsy said:
Why am I voting for Kerry? Bush hasn't made good on barely a single promise from his 2000 election campaign.



1. Bush talked big about public school reform. He hasn't given our public schools an ounce of additional funding.

2. Bush also promised to restructure medicare and medicaid for the better. Instead, he has cut funding from both programs to give tax cuts to the wealthy twice in the last 4 years.

3. But wait, you say low income families depend on programs like medicaid/medicare? Well too bad, Bush also doesn't give a shit about your job. Bush hasn't done anything about our jobs being exported to India etc.

4. Bush refuses to increase minimun wage, which is currently at below poverty levels. $5.25 an hour.

5. Bush has pandered to industry at the expense of our environment. Lowering many pollution restrictions and requirments so his billionaire goons can profit.

6. Much like our environment, Bush has pandered to corporations in our corrupt Healthcare and Pharmaceutical markets. Bush refuses to let the government step in so his billionaire goons can continue to profit at the expense of others.

7. Bush talks big about homeland security. Our airport and border security is still beyond horrible. Our police forces in major cities still do not have the funding to fight a biological terrorst attack, while small towns in the middle of nowhere (i.e. Wyoming) can.

8. Bush talks big about being tough on terrorism. Bin Laden is still running free and the real war on terrorism is being ignored, because Bush decided to lie his war into a fraudulent Iraqi war. A war that has sucked our resources dry. He claims the world is safer post-Saddam, but one look at the news says otherwise. Now Iraq has turned into a terrorist hot spot due to our occupation. Iraq's current state is also a total mess, and the Bush administration will not admit to a single mistake. Instead they lie to our people claiming total success.

9. Our economy is shit. We have lossed a million jobs under Bush. The most in 75 years.

10. Bush promised to raised the maximun amount for Student Loans, but then went and capped off the maximun at $1,000+ lower than promised. Like mentioned above with medicare/medicaid, the Student Loans Program also faced a funding cut to give the wealthy tax breaks twice in the last 4 years.

11. We had the world on our side post-9/11. Bush has flushed that down the drain with horrible foreign policy.

13. The Bush administration constantly used fear tactics, and other dirty tactics to garner votes.

14. I don't want to vote for a retard who got where he is today because of his family's power and money. And to think Bush is firmly against legacy college admissions, which is the sole reason he got to drink through 4 years of Yale, and then Harvard business school.



I'm voting for Kerry because I think he will bring better foreign policy to the table. I'm voting for Kerry because I'm sick that the Republicans pissed away the last 4 years accomplishing nothing. Unless you count them recently trying to push the gay marriage ban, which they knew would never pass, through congress to distract from the real issues this elections. I think the democrats will come through on more of their promises, and not pander to the rich man, and industry. I'm voting for Kerry because he cares about our environment. I'm voting for Kerry because I want to see reform in our healthcare system. I'm voting for Kerry because 4 more years of Bush is the worst thing possible for this country. Bush won't admite his mistakes, and refuses to budge from his current policies.

My entire family, minus myself, voted Bush in 2000, and every single one of them now regret it. They voted for dead soldiers, and broken promises.

Excellent Post

Main reasons i'm not voting for Bush.

1. The War

2. Worst environment record of any president. EVER.

3. Horrible foreign relations around the world.

4. Fear mongoring campaigning.

5. The administration scares the shit out of me.

Kerry is pretty much the opposite of all of those, so that's why i'm voting for him.
 

gblues

Banned
Saturnman said:
Voting for Saddam would be worse than Bush.

Agreed.

Saturnman said:
Kerry is the only viable alternative in a two party system.

But isn't it possible that Kerry can also be worse than Bush? Certainly, find valid reasons for supporting Kerry, but "He's not Bush" is not one of them. If that's the only thing you can say in Kerry's favor.. better the devil we know, and all that.

Nathan
 

MetatronM

Unconfirmed Member
Because I can't stomach being ruled by a president who is not even remotely close to being as intelligent as myself.
 
I agree with most of the above, but I have another point to add.

Stem cell research

Look I don't understand the argument against it, all the cells are just gonna be thrown out anyways, why not cure something with them?
 

Triumph

Banned
gblues said:
But isn't it possible that Kerry can also be worse than Bush? Certainly, find valid reasons for supporting Kerry, but "He's not Bush" is not one of them. If that's the only thing you can say in Kerry's favor.. better the devil we know, and all that.

Nathan
Um, yeah, Kerry could possibly be worse than Bush. He'd have to eat a live baby on camera to achieve that feat, though. Anything less just wouldn't cut it, in my opinion.

And this is coming from someone who doesn't particularly like John Kerry and plans on voting for Ralph Nader. Bush is, in fact, THAT MUCH WORSE than John Kerry. I could literally take a shit on the ground, and that pile of shit would have a better ability to run the country than George W. Bush, who has been quite possibly the worst President ever, excepting Ulysses S. Grant.
 
I'm an avowed believer in Social Democracy , and thus I'm right there with the left-wing of the Democratic Party. Most importantly, though, is that the environment is very precious to me, and I'm more or less a single-issue voter. The amount of environmental cronyism by BC is insane, just selling out as much as they can to big business and the energy industry.

Itry to look forward, beyond terrorism, taxes, war in Iraq. I think about what kind of world I want to live in when I'm 60 or 70, and by golly I want breathable air, national parks, and all the birds that I can find now when I'm birdwatching to still be around.

Kerry's the man who will protect the environment. Bush simply won't, and the other alternatives, while appealing to some degree, aren't an option in the state I live in, where I believe that Kerry can win, or come close enough to make it a target Democratic pickup in 2008, both of which would be tremendous.
 
Reasons why I'm voting for John Kerry:

1. Everything and I mean everything Bush and these neocons say is a lie. They do not care about the USA
2. Kerry actually has a decent domestic agenda
3. The Greens killed their party by not nominating Nader(they won't make 5% in any state)
4. Nader is just being an idiot this go around
5. Dennis Kucinich may get a spot in Kerry's cabinet
6. Supreme Court Judges

The end.
 

fennec fox

ferrets ferrets ferrets ferrets FERRETS!!!
Fragamemnon said:
I'm an avowed believer in Social Democracy , and thus I'm right there with the left-wing of the Democratic Party. Most importantly, though, is that the environment is very precious to me, and I'm more or less a single-issue voter. The amount of environmental cronyism by BC is insane, just selling out as much as they can to big business and the energy industry.

Itry to look forward, beyond terrorism, taxes, war in Iraq. I think about what kind of world I want to live in when I'm 60 or 70, and by golly I want breathable air, national parks, and all the birds that I can find now when I'm birdwatching to still be around.

Kerry's the man who will protect the environment. Bush simply won't, and the other alternatives, while appealing to some degree, aren't an option in the state I live in, where I believe that Kerry can win, or come close enough to make it a target Democratic pickup in 2008, both of which would be tremendous.
Now this is an excellent response, not "I hate the monkey"
 
gblues said:
Agreed.



But isn't it possible that Kerry can also be worse than Bush? Certainly, find valid reasons for supporting Kerry, but "He's not Bush" is not one of them. If that's the only thing you can say in Kerry's favor.. better the devil we know, and all that.

Nathan


In the same vein Arnold could have been worse than Davis but, Davis' record to the voters of Califorina felt like almost anyone was better than what they had. Same thing here to me Kerry could be worse than Bush but, the big thing is that Bush has already showed in his policy decisions what he is about. I'd rather take a chance on the new start.
 
Cerebral Palsy said:
Why am I voting for Kerry? Bush hasn't made good on barely a single promise from his 2000 election campaign.



1. Bush talked big about public school reform. He hasn't given our public schools an ounce of additional funding.

2. Bush also promised to restructure medicare and medicaid for the better. Instead, he has cut funding from both programs to give tax cuts to the wealthy twice in the last 4 years.

3. But wait, you say low income families depend on programs like medicaid/medicare? Well too bad, Bush also doesn't give a shit about your job. Bush hasn't done anything about our jobs being exported to India etc.

4. Bush refuses to increase minimun wage, which is currently at below poverty levels. $5.25 an hour.

5. Bush has pandered to industry at the expense of our environment. Lowering many pollution restrictions and requirments so his billionaire goons can profit.

6. Much like our environment, Bush has pandered to corporations in our corrupt Healthcare and Pharmaceutical markets. Bush refuses to let the government step in so his billionaire goons can continue to profit at the expense of others.

7. Bush talks big about homeland security. Our airport and border security is still beyond horrible. Our police forces in major cities still do not have the funding to fight a biological terrorst attack, while small towns in the middle of nowhere (i.e. Wyoming) can.

8. Bush talks big about being tough on terrorism. Bin Laden is still running free and the real war on terrorism is being ignored, because Bush decided to lie his war into a fraudulent Iraqi war. A war that has sucked our resources dry. He claims the world is safer post-Saddam, but one look at the news says otherwise. Now Iraq has turned into a terrorist hot spot due to our occupation. Iraq's current state is also a total mess, and the Bush administration will not admit to a single mistake. Instead they lie to our people claiming total success.

9. Our economy is shit. We have lossed a million jobs under Bush. The most in 75 years.

10. Bush promised to raised the maximun amount for Student Loans, but then went and capped off the maximun at $1,000+ lower than promised. Like mentioned above with medicare/medicaid, the Student Loans Program also faced a funding cut to give the wealthy tax breaks twice in the last 4 years.

11. We had the world on our side post-9/11. Bush has flushed that down the drain with horrible foreign policy.

13. The Bush administration constantly used fear tactics, and other dirty tactics to garner votes.

14. I don't want to vote for a retard who got where he is today because of his family's power and money. And to think Bush is firmly against legacy college admissions, which is the sole reason he got to drink through 4 years of Yale, and then Harvard business school.



I'm voting for Kerry because I think he will bring better foreign policy to the table. I'm voting for Kerry because I'm sick that the Republicans pissed away the last 4 years accomplishing nothing. Unless you count them recently trying to push the gay marriage ban, which they knew would never pass, through congress to distract from the real issues this elections. I think the democrats will come through on more of their promises, and not pander to the rich man, and industry. I'm voting for Kerry because he cares about our environment. I'm voting for Kerry because I want to see reform in our healthcare system. I'm voting for Kerry because 4 more years of Bush is the worst thing possible for this country. Bush won't admite his mistakes, and refuses to budge from his current policies.

My entire family, minus myself, voted Bush in 2000, and every single one of them now regret it. They voted for dead soldiers, and broken promises.


IAWTP
 
First off, why would ANY sane (i.e. non-Fundamentalist) vote for Bush? He shits on liberals and libertarians alike.

As Frag said, the issues I care about aren't necessarily the immediate 'war on terror' or temporary tax relief. More than anything, I care about education and preventing the rise of a wealthy aristocracy (who have flourished recently through the use of dynastic inheritance and deliberate financial restrictions on access to education). I believe in the middle class, not the wealthy, and I don't want to see quality education become the province of an elite minority overclass.

I don't want to see the environment and public health shat on by corporations with their short-term whoredom to their shareholders. I also don't want to see any particular religion institutionalized by our government, and ANY attempt to piss on basic civil rights (Patriot Acts, nominations of Fundamentalist judges) will guarantee that you'll NEVER get my vote.

Kerry doesn't have the Fundies in his court, he has strong environmental policies, he supports labor and the middle-class, he supports universal health care, and he isn't a deficit spender (supply-side voodoo really must be stopped) nor does he want to "privatize" our futures. He's not a great choice, but he's good enough.
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
Because he might restore a real policy process to the White House, and because Nader is a crusty old cultural conservative who wants to take away my videogames. Also, I am a supporter of Enlightened Despotism.
 

Cool

Member
Didn't read all the responses, but I'll respond to the original question.

I feel that it is crucial for American's future to have Bush out of office. There is no doubt that he is stingy and corrupt and just wants oil money. He's throwing away all of our jobs and sending them overseas and the economical situation has only been worse since he's been in office.

Plus, he sounds like an idiot when he speaks and I don't want someone like that representing our country.

I feel that Kerry can run this country more effectively. I don't think Kerry is the lesser of two evils, I actually do like John Kerry.

As far as the whole "flip-flopping"...I think it's positive that he can change positions on issues, knowing he is open minded enough to change his mind instead of stick to one thing even if it be wrong like GWB.
 
Once again, I find the reasoning by those who support Bush on the GAF (as elsewhere) shockingly childish and appalling.
 

ge-man

Member
For me, this is simply a matter of Bush failing to show that he has any type of competence. It's hard to imagine that there aren't more people concerned by the fact that Bush still comes off like a mentally slow person after four years of adjusting to presidential life. I truly believe that our government is being run not by the president but by people in his inner circle whose interests don't match mine or most Americans for that matter.

Kerry isn't my first choice and there's no way to tell how he'll do. Bush has a presidental record, however. That record is not good at all. I won't even say that taking on Al Queda and the Taliban was a good choice because he failed to follow though and make sure that Bin Laden and his organization and associates were gone for good from Afghinstan and Pakistan.
 
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