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Is there any chance that GAF can subscribe to NPD?
I mean we can get a subscription if for example 240 active members of GAF, give $50 each for one year subscription.

This upcoming holiday season will be interesting and a lot of fun to see the sales of next generation consoles (hardware and of course, software) as well as DS vs PSP as usuall. Its a sad story if we can't get the complete sales numbers.
 
good luck finding 240 members to pay $50 for sales data :lol
 
What's the reason for NPD's apparent monopoly on games sales reporting in North America? Is it just that multiple agencies (like Japan) wouldn't be financially viable?
 
I have no doubt there are 240 people on this board who would cough up $50 just to see if their favorite console is going to win the race.

There are a lot of people here that have an emotionally vested interest in sales figures and hoping their company wins.

I however, am not one of them. I play games, not companies.
 
Chairman Yang said:
What's the reason for NPD's apparent monopoly on games sales reporting in North America? Is it just that multiple agencies (like Japan) wouldn't be financially viable?
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not enough people care.

For every industry expert that needs these numbers to make predictions for stock analysis, there's a GAF member who needs these numbers to make better predictions for their own feeble enjoyment.
 
Suikoguy said:
good luck finding 240 members to pay $50 for sales data :lol
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Why not, people donated for GAF, and there's a lot of sales-deprived people on this forum
 
I mean we can get a subscription if for example 240 active members of GAF, give $50 each for one year subscription.
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If I recall correctly, that still won't buy us a year(vaugely remembers hearing it was 10K per month).
I do miss the #'s terribly though. Its what brought me here in the first place.
 
I thought it was waaaay more than that. Something like 100K a year or something. And isn't software and hardware data two separate fees?
 
Does NPD stand for National Purchase Diary?

I asked before and no one answered, I assume nobody knows? Just curious, that's all.
 
Wait, why would people pay money to see numbers that don't effect them at all (unless they have lots of stock in the company).

It's basically saying, "Hey lets pool together and spend cash to get a bunch of stuff we can argue about each month!".
 
Bebpo said:
Wait, why would people pay money to see numbers that don't effect them at all (unless they have lots of stock in the company).

It's basically saying, "Hey lets pool together and spend cash to get a bunch of stuff we can argue about each month!".
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Big deal. It's the cost of a game and you get more time out of it.
 
Even if you did subscribe, I'm sure NPD must have some clause preventing you from public posting or dissemination of those numbers, so it would be just 240+ people who can't say anything. If word got out that the numbers were readily available on GAF, NPD would crack down hard.
 
$50x240=$12,000

That's one month, what about the other 11? And that's just for the software chart, what about the hardware chart?
 
Fuzzy said:
$50x240=$12,000

That's one month, what about the other 11? And that's just for the software chart, what about the hardware chart?
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Wait a minute? A year subscription to NPD Funworld is 144k $? WOW, I sure didn't expect that much, but then... it's lots of data they have to collect and evaluate. And seeing how much it is explains why they don't like their numbers posted in gaming forums as soon as they're out.
 
Chairman Yang said:
What's the reason for NPD's apparent monopoly on games sales reporting in North America? Is it just that multiple agencies (like Japan) wouldn't be financially viable?
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Because any company that collects the same data and threatens their monopoly they buy and subsume. (See: PC Data)
 
10K a month for extensive, very recent data (well not compared to Japan) sounds about right.

For a marketing course I took recently, a flimsy little book with year-old advertising industry data cost some $500. Of course no one was expected to buy it and the prof. kept a copy on reserve for anyone in the class to use.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Because any company that collects the same data and threatens their monopoly they buy and subsume. (See: PC Data)
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Didn't they also buy Chart Track in Europe? Or was that only a partnership?
 
You're talking to people who wait 3 months for a game to price drop before buying it. Waiting a few weeks for data is no problem.
 
Fuzzy said:
$50x240=$12,000

That's one month, what about the other 11? And that's just for the software chart, what about the hardware chart?
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As cvxfreak mentioned, we wouldn't need hardware subscription because we get it anyway.
GAF has about 10k members. What about 480 members each pay $25 monthly?
Can we have a thread and ask members who would like to pay that much monthly for recieving NPD spreadsheets?
 
i'm interested in sales data, but i don't know about paying, it's not important enough to me. we get sales through news and corporate statements, which imo is okay.

to be honest if the powers that be could give regular hardware, overall top 50 and top 10 for each system numbers, it would be plenty.
 
kia said:
As cvxfreak mentioned, we wouldn't need hardware subscription because we get it anyway.
GAF has about 10k members. What about 480 members each pay $25 monthly?
Can we have a thread and ask members who would like to pay that much monthly for recieving NPD spreadsheets?
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Wont happen, the shit isnt supposed to be posted on a public forum. You'd have to make a seperate private forum for the 240/480/whatever members to post the data and argue like little school girls about who's team is "winning".
 
Razoric said:
Wont happen, the shit isnt supposed to be posted on a public forum. You'd have to make a seperate private forum for the 240/480/whatever members to post the data and argue like little school girls about who's team is "winning".
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Sounds good. Then, those 240/480/960 members could let a little information "slip" :D

I'd throw in $50, but it doesn't seem like this is possible.
 
Razoric said:
Wont happen, the shit isnt supposed to be posted on a public forum. You'd have to make a seperate private forum for the 240/480/whatever members to post the data and argue like little school girls about who's team is "winning".
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Those 240/480/960 members can get the spreadsheets in mail directly from admins of GAF.
 
Fuzzy said:
$50x240=$12,000

That's one month, what about the other 11? And that's just for the software chart, what about the hardware chart?
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Actually, it's one year for $12k for SW and $12k for HW, give or take. I was high the day I listed 12k/month.

NPD restricts the license to only a handful of people per subscription, so 240 is way out of bounds. And if you were to sign up as a small group and then give the numbers to a group of friends, you'd be breaking the terms of the agreement and be liable for a nice juicy damages claim (if they caught you, which let's be honest, 240 random GAF folks couldn't possibly keep their mouths shut).

So, no, it's not really possible, unless you wanna try to sign up say 10 folks for $1,200 each. (or 2,400 if you want HW as well)
 
kia said:
As cvxfreak mentioned, we wouldn't need hardware subscription because we get it anyway.
GAF has about 10k members. What about 480 members each pay $25 monthly?
Can we have a thread and ask members who would like to pay that much monthly for recieving NPD spreadsheets?
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It's not a matter of $, do you think NPD sells it to anyone with cash?


sonycowboy said:
Actually, it's one year for $12k for SW and $12k for HW, give or take. I was high the day I listed 12k/month.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I always thought it was high but figured you knew what you were talking about. Lesson learned, never trust you. :P
 
NPD restricts the license to only a handful of people per subscription
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How many exactly?

BTW, I'd be interested in software only, I care more about how my favorite games are doing than what the systems they're on are doing.
 
sonycowboy said:
Yes, they will. (Assuming you agree to the subscription agreement)
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I opened this thread and didn't read your post until after I posted because I was reading another thread but that was pretty much my point about the number of people sharing one subscription.
 
radcliff said:
Anyone know why this information is so secretly guarded?
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The NPD video game sales data isn't meant for public consumption. It's gathered so stock analysts(who pay for it) can make their guesses as to how the game companies are doing, going to be doing, etc... NPD makes good money off of it which is why they started cracking down when they found out their valuable data was bouncing around for free on forums.
 
Chi-Town said:
The NPD video game sales data isn't meant for public consumption. It's gathered so stock analysts(who pay for it) can make their guesses as to how the game companies are doing, going to be doing, etc... NPD makes good money off of it which is why they started cracking down when they found out their valuable data was bouncing around for free on forums.
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There are many clients for the data, not just the 20 or so VG stock analysts out there.

HW Manufacturers
SW Publishers
HW Accessories manufacturers
Retailers
Wholesalers
Consumer electronics companies
Financial Institutions
Stock Analysts
Individual Investors
 
sonycowboy said:
There are many clients for the data, not just the 20 or so VG stock analysts out there.

HW Manufacturers
SW Publishers
HW Accessories manufacturers
Retailers
Wholesalers
Consumer electronics companies
Financial Institutions
Stock Analysts
Individual Investors
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Which makes it even more important for NPD to keep a lid on the unauthorized sharing of their information.
 
Fuzzy said:
Which makes it even more important for NPD to keep a lid on the unauthorized sharing of their information.
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What's to say that the people on this forum aren't investors or potential investors? There should just be an extra forum on GAF called Investing-Age with those who contributed. :D

Long shot? Probably :(
 
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