Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]

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Funky Papa said:
  • Sam and Gilly opening an episode all by themselves! It was the slowest part of it, but I liked it. Besides, their scenes gave us another look at the dragonglass (was that the name?) lance point, which will probably become useful later in the season. Those things did nothing during S2, yet they were prominently featured during the recaps and now Sam happens to have one. Something is afoot.

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  • Where did he find this one? and when did anyone say anything about dragonsglass in this series?

    This is the worst thing when series are so long and also have major breaks between the seasons.
 
Funky Papa said:
I guess I could must my recap now that I finally found the time to post something else besides Theon's misery in GIF form.

  • Sam and Gilly opening an episode all by themselves! It was the slowest part of it, but I liked it. Besides, their scenes gave us another look at the dragonglass (was that the name?) lance point, which will probably become useful later in the season. Those things did nothing during S2, yet they were prominently featured during the recaps and now Sam happens to have one. Something is afoot.

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  • Rabbit skinning 101 was fun. I also liked how Hodor (Hodor) shut the entire argument by waking up.

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  • I thought the Reeds were highborn, but they are dressed in some rank looking rags. I wonder what's the deal with them.
  • Jojen Reed's epilepsy is not boding well for Bran. Is that the price to pay for being a warg?
  • I really, really like the Reeds. I don't know why, but they seem the noblest and most well meaning characters in the show so far (even if Jojen looks kind of creepy at times).
  • Ygritte's banter with Jon is still delicious. "That thing you did with your tongue". :lol Asshole redheads are such a precious thing.
  • Face, tits, balls. Right on, gurl.
  • I did NOT see the Melisandre twist. I fully expected her to demand the sacrifice of Stanni's daughter, but I guess it had to be a Baratheon boy. I still have hopes for Gendry, though; "you will make kings rise and fall" makes me think he's not going to burn like other sacrifices to the Lord of Light. There's hope still.
  • "That's because you are a girl".
  • I find interesting that different people honour the Lord of Light in different ways, just like I feel interesting that Melisandre is positively jaleous of Thoros. Melisandre wants to use the Lord of Light for her own purposes, while Thoros sees himself as a humble vessel for his doing. What a stark contrast.
  • Waking up Theon with the horn was hilarious to the point of making me cackle at the TV. Some GDLK trolling right there.
  • Theon's capture was GRUESOME. I know that some people argue it's a waste of time by now, but that scene was clearly intended to show that his torturer is not only a vicious cunt (a trait that seems to run in the entire Bolton camp), but also a liar and a trickster with deeply hidden motivations.
  • There's something that bugs me about Theon's capturer, tho. By now it's pretty much clear that he's Roose Bolton's bastard (he was addressed as such by his own men and the horn was such a gratuitous give away) but something's off. At first he was cleaning the torture room as if he were another servant and then, after returning Theon to the dungeon, he almost acted surprised when he found that there were other men in the room. Roose said in S2 that his bastard would be honoured to lead the attack against the Iron Men, which implies that he has a degree of authority unlike Jon Snow and other bastards. This is certainly not what we're seeing so far.
  • It feels weird that the Lord of the Twins (his name escapes me ATM) would allow Robb to avoid any further trouble so easily. Granted, the conquests are nothing to sneeze at, but what Robb did was pretty damn shitty.
  • The Blackfish was awesome. I love this bro. A lot. "The laws of my fist are about to compel your teeth". OMG.
  • It surprises me that you can arrange marriages but not force them. What a bizarre law.
  • Roose Bolton is most definitely not as loyal as he looked in S2. He's trying to game both sides, but I cannot see his play, however, just like I can't see what's Brienne's worth for him.
  • Brienne in pink is not a welcome sight.
  • Olenna and Tywin. Wow. Just wow. It was like seeing a mongoose fighting a cobra. So much venom. It was hard to believe that Tywin could come on top, but DAMN.
  • Whoever is handling the CGI is doing a great job. That part with the wall coming down was amazingly shot.
  • Lora's courtship... so awkward. Tyrion still got him beat, tho.
  • This was the episode that cemented Little Finger as a God Tier Cunt. He WILL burn down the Seven Kingdoms just to rule over the ashes. He's every bit as cruel as Joffrey, but with an actual purpose. He's quite possibly the most dangerous man in Westeros. I have to wonder if Lisa will accept his proposal. That woman is crae crae.
  • RIP Ros, you will be missed. Even in your death you were hot as fuck.
  • Joff, you little shit... People complained about that particular scene lacking punch. I agree to an extent. Still, the most important part is that he finally crossed the line. His hands were already dirty, but now they have taken a life... and he enjoyed it. There's no turning back.
  • Little Finger, you cunt.

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    Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder.

  • The scene with Ygritte and Jon looking over the Wall was simply gorgeous. Allegorical, even. At one side, death and cold, at the other, life and salvation. Beautiful.

Another solid episode, but this time with TONS of character development. I liked it. I guess the next one will be more action-y.
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Nice recap, Papa.
 
robertsan21 said:
Where did he find this one? and when did anyone say anything about dragonsglass in this series?

This is the worst thing when series are so long and also have major breaks between the seasons.
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Towards the end of S2 when Sam and his two mates were digging in the snow. They found a whole bunch of it.
 
YO JOFFREY stop killing the whores man

Pretty good episode. The best scene by far was Rigg and Dance clashing. I can't handle all the realness being kept right now
 
Timbuktu said:
Is it me or does Roose Bolton sound too southern?

I know he doesn't have to sound like someone from Bolton, but its always distracting when he speaks and it's so posh.
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Well, yes he does sound posh. He also doesn't drink wine. It's a nice opposite to his houses reputation and sigil.
 
Funky Papa said:
It's not like they sounded the horns during Winterfell's siege; they were used as psychological warfare against the Iron Men. Theon was driven nuts by them and offered a reward to whoever killed the hornblower.



Come on now. The show has been making you wonder about his identity blatantly and Roose is obviously dirty or at very least hardly clean. I'm not sure if the reveal will pay off (I'm inching towards a big, fat no, considering that this whole part is lacking any sort of momentum) but it's being telegraphed to the audience fairly loudly.




Man...

Anyway, have they explained in the show the difference between a seer and a warg?
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For the first part about the horns, oh yeaaaaaah, I totally didn't remember that. Now I understand why that's a blatant hint.

As for the second part, I may not have made myself clear, but I'm not saying anything all that different than you are. I know the show has obviously been making this character a mystery, but its not a mysterious character that we as watchers of the show know or care about. My point is, say next episode the kid tells Theon, "I'm Roose Bolton's bastard!", I don't really see why we as the viewer are supposed to gasp, so I'm confused as to why they made it mysterious in the first place instead of just introducing him as Bolton's bastard. That's why I said that I feel like this whole thing is something meant for book readers and is going right over my head.

Unless the big reveal is just supposed to be that someone so crazy and shitty is currently under the employ of someone so close to Robb and that now Roose will have info on the younger Starks that he can do whatever he wants with
 
robotzombie said:
Why do people keep mentioning the horn having to do with being boltons bastard? Was it because if I remember correctly there were horns that sounded when winterfell was surrounded?

Also if he is the bastard, I don't understand why it would be any great reveal. I mean all there was was a throwaway line from Roose in season 2. I feel like this whole thing is intended solely for people who have read the books...
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Yes, the horn was used at that stage as psychological warfare against Theon. I saw that scene as a nice wink to those who had already seen the other clues.

These aren't spoilers but if you didn't notice them for yourself you might not want to read them.

The biggest clue IMO is that the banner of the Bolton house is a flayed man on a large wooden cross exactly like Theon's.

I don't think it's supposed to be some huge reveal for us. He's just keeping his identity a secret to mess with Theon's head. He's just having fun with it because he enjoys playing those mind games.
 
Does anyone else get reminded of Daniel Craig whenever they see Roose Bolton?

The face, eyes, and voice. I just see Daniel Craig and it's distracting me :P
 
pretty sure the dragonglass you all referring to is obsidian. at least that's what samwell mentioned when he digged it up during season 2.
 
io9's recap had this little gem

And meanwhile, Littlefinger has also seen that these things are just shadows on the wall — and thus, they don't matter. All that matters to Littlefinger is upward mobility through total nihilism. As Littlefinger explains in the crowning moment of the episode, chaos isn't a pit, it's a ladder. It's every man (or woman) for himself or herself, and you're either a player or a pawn. Littlefinger wants to build a world of Social Darwinism on the backs of dead hookers.
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I loled.
 
Incognito said:
pretty sure the dragonglass you all referring to is obsidian. at least that's what samwell mentioned when he digged it up during season 2.
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Yeah. I was really expecting that to come into play by now. I figure, he accidentally kill a wright or a walker with it. The fact that it even exists as a thing makes me think it's a weason to use against them.
 
Incognito said:
pretty sure the dragonglass you all referring to is obsidian. at least that's what samwell mentioned when he digged it up during season 2.
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Maybe I read that somewhere else, but I believe they used both words in S2. Anyway, that has to be obsidian. It was used by the very first humans to create lance and arrow points, so it kind of makes sense.

Edit: Yup, dragonglass is obsidian http://youtu.be/Ca2-q541rOQ
 
robotzombie said:
For the first part about the horns, oh yeaaaaaah, I totally didn't remember that. Now I understand why that's a blatant hint.

As for the second part, I may not have made myself clear, but I'm not saying anything all that different than you are. I know the show has obviously been making this character a mystery, but its not a mysterious character that we as watchers of the show know or care about. My point is, say next episode the kid tells Theon, "I'm Roose Bolton's bastard!", I don't really see why we as the viewer are supposed to gasp, so I'm confused as to why they made it mysterious in the first place instead of just introducing him as Bolton's bastard. That's why I said that I feel like this whole thing is something meant for book readers and is going right over my head.

Unless the big reveal is just supposed to be that someone so crazy and shitty is currently under the employ of someone so close to Robb and that now Roose will have info on the younger Starks that he can do whatever he wants with
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If it weren't for book/wiki readers "speculating", most people wouldn't have worked out if it's Bolton's Bastard.

The book spoiling people may not have outright said it, but they were gladly joining in on the speculation and encouraging the "right" answer while pretending they were guessing. In turn, this convinces regular show-watchers that their speculation was correct, so they post it more, so other people pick up on that and agree to it, etc.

It's such a scumbag thing to do.
 
jaxword said:
If it weren't for book/wiki readers "speculating", most people wouldn't have worked out if it's Bolton's Bastard.

It's such a scumbag thing to do.
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I call Bullshit. Who the hell else would it be? I didn't need anyone to lead me on about that. Roose said he was sending his Bastard. 'some guys' show up right after that (I wonder who) and the guy in charge who is torturing Theon, I wonder who it could be?

I'm all for flaying the book spoiler crowd but people's paranoia is starting to step on legitimate discussion. The show isn't so obtuse; they talk about something and then it usually happens. They don't waste much time or scenes.

People were bitching about calling Dany shot with the slave traders when it felt like the most obvious give away ever.
 
jaxword said:
If it weren't for book/wiki readers "speculating", most people wouldn't have worked out if it's Bolton's Bastard.

The book spoiling people may not have outright said it, but they were gladly joining in on the speculation and encouraging the "right" answer while pretending they were guessing. In turn, this convinces regular show-watchers that their speculation was correct, so they post it more, so other people pick up on that and agree to it, etc.

It's such a scumbag thing to do.
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Seriously?

There's been so many hints dropped I feel kind of offended you'd think I wouldn't figure it out without help.
 
BobTheFork said:
I call Bullshit. Who the hell else would it be? I didn't need anyone to lead me on about that. Roose said he was sending his Bastard. 'some guys' show up right after that (I wonder who) and the guy in charge who is torturing Theon, I wonder who it could be?

I'm all for flaying the book spoiler crowd but people's paranoia is starting to step on legitimate discussion. The show isn't so obtuse; they talk about something and then it usually happens. They don't waste much time or scenes.

People were bitching about calling Dany shot with the slave traders when it felt like the most obvious give away ever.
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Yes, I'm with you on this one. I saw the first torture scene and then the Flayed man flag and put two and two together almost instantly. I figured there were only two possible choices for who the group was; either Bolton's bastard's group, or Theon's people. Then everything really pointed towards the Flayed Man stuff, so it didn't seem like that much of a leap.
 
BobTheFork said:
I call Bullshit. Who the hell else would it be? I didn't need anyone to lead me on about that. Roose said he was sending his Bastard. 'some guys' show up right after that (I wonder who) and the guy in charge who is torturing Theon, I wonder who it could be?

I'm all for flaying the book spoiler crowd but people's paranoia is starting to step on legitimate discussion. The show isn't so obtuse; they talk about something and then it usually happens. They don't waste much time or scenes.

People were bitching about calling Dany shot with the slave traders when it felt like the most obvious give away ever.
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Honestly, a lot of my friends don't know who's torturing Theon, and I only an idea of who it might be because of this thread. It doesn't really make any sense show wise why Bolton's bastard would torture Theon even though his orders were to capture him, and why would he go and kill all his own men, if he were the ones leading them? Nothing was explicitly explained, but there was only subtle details that only some people catch like the horn thing (which I missed) and the whole sigil thing (also missed that). To some casual watchers, it's extremely mysterious.
 
Neki said:
Honestly, a lot of my friends don't know who's torturing Theon, and I only an idea of who it might be because of this thread. It doesn't really make any sense show wise why Bolton's bastard would torture Theon even though his orders were to capture him, and why would he go and kill all his own men, if he were the ones leading them? Nothing was explicitly explained, but there was only subtle details that only some people catch like the horn thing (which I missed) and the whole sigil thing (also missed that). To some casual watchers, it's extremely mysterious.
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The guy he killed saying really clearly "You bastard..." wasn't really subtle. Especially since I've never heard the word bastard used in this universe besides its literal meaning.
 
lastplayed said:
I hope Westeros obsidian has special powers or something, cause otherwise it's just glass.
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I was thinking the same. Obsidian edges are sharp as fuck (I should know, I cut myself a bunch of times with it fashioning caveman tools in primary school...) but they are also very, very brittle. It probably makes a good job with rabbits and the like, but I'm not that sure about necromancer icemen.

Neki said:
Honestly, a lot of my friends don't know who's torturing Theon, and I only an idea of who it might be because of this thread. It doesn't really make any sense show wise why Bolton's bastard would torture Theon even though his orders were to capture him, and why would he go and kill all his own men, if he were the ones leading them? Nothing was explicitly explained, but there was only subtle details that only some people catch like the horn thing (which I missed) and the whole sigil thing (also missed that). To some casual watchers, it's extremely mysterious.
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GoT may be the most overanalised show on TV, there's nothing weird about that. I noticed the sigil during S2, well before we saw the Bolton banner. It's engraved on Roose's chest plate. GoT is full of small but savoury details like that one, which is the main reason why I rewatch every episode at least a couple of times. The lore and the props are so incredibly rich.
 
ramyeon said:
The guy he killed saying really clearly "You bastard..." wasn't really subtle. Especially since I've never heard the word bastard used in this universe besides its literal meaning.
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Doesn't really explain why he did it though, which is still a mystery. Only thing I can think of is he wanted to extract more info possibly, but wouldn't it have been possible with slaughtering his own men?
 
ok ep, was a little boring though... really wished Snow would have stabbed the crow fucker in the head though...
 
Neki said:
Honestly, a lot of my friends don't know who's torturing Theon, and I only an idea of who it might be because of this thread. It doesn't really make any sense show wise why Bolton's bastard would torture Theon even though his orders were to capture him, and why would he go and kill all his own men, if he were the ones leading them? Nothing was explicitly explained, but there was only subtle details that only some people catch like the horn thing (which I missed) and the whole sigil thing (also missed that). To a casual t.v show watcher, it'd be hard to find out on yourself.
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Well some people will never put it together until they are told. But saying 'most' people wouldn't figure it out isn't fair. As I said the show doesn't waste lots of time. They set things up and knokc them down pretty straight forward.


Now, if they come back at the end of the season and it's really his family doing this to him then OK you got me. Maybe they sent backup, killed the Bolton's and are fucking up Theon on Daddy's orders. It might make sense because Bolton seems to be very cautious with Jamie and maybe he knows some of his troups got fucked. Aside from a total change up It's really not that hard.


And so what if it wasn't explicity explained? Does it have to be? They even threw the crowd a huge bone by having Jamie call out the Bolton family symbol. It looks just like the big x Theon was on for a full episode and then Jamie just tells everyone 'oh, house Bolton's Symbol, the Flayed man'. That's in addition to Bolton telling Rob he is going to send people there. I think some people just can't keep up with a long story week to week. I think most of them jsut forget what happens.

I totally disagree it would be hard to find out. I think it's very plainly layed out.

I don't know if there is a perfect solution but I don't think it's fair to witchhunt or blame everyting on 'spoilers' when the show isn't exactly built week to week as amystery.
 
neoism said:
that she will be a badass, and kill motherfuckas
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That's my guess. She turned down Jahgen (spelling?) to become a face changing assassin but she still has the coin so maybe she does something between and gets a change to kill all those people. I think that's her part to play in this.

Oh, about that I had a question. The phrase Jahgen tells her to use if she wants to meet her...
Is that what The Red Woman said to the priest from the brotherhood she she showed up. It sure sounded like it. Death is supposed to be 'the red god' right. I didn't it was the lord of light but who knows.
 
Neki said:
Doesn't really explain why he did it though, which is still a mystery. Only thing I can think of is he wanted to extract more info possibly, but wouldn't it have been possible with slaughtering his own men?
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Well he mentioned how fun it will be to hunt Bran and Rickon, so maybe he let him loose just to hunt him down? He was able to get his jollies off by killing some guys, and bring Theon back so he could torture him some more, which he seems to enjoy even more possibly.
 
BobTheFork said:
That's my guess. She turned down Jahgen (spelling?) to become a face changing assassin but she still has the coin so maybe she does something between and gets a change to kill all those people. I think that's her part to play in this.

Oh, about that I had a question. The phrase Jahgen tells her to use if she wants to meet her...
Is that what The Red Woman said to the priest from the brotherhood she she showed up. It sure sounded like it. Death is supposed to be 'the red god' right. I didn't it was the lord of light but who knows.
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It was also the same phrase used by Dani: "All men must die". Thoros replied with something slightly different, though.
 
BobTheFork said:
That's my guess. She turned down Jahgen (spelling?) to become a face changing assassin but she still has the coin so maybe she does something between and gets a change to kill all those people. I think that's her part to play in this.

Oh, about that I had a question. The phrase Jahgen tells her to use if she wants to meet her...
Is that what The Red Woman said to the priest from the brotherhood she she showed up. It sure sounded like it. Death is supposed to be 'the red god' right. I didn't it was the lord of light but who knows.
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Yeah both said "Valar Morghulis", but Missandei said the same thing to Daenerys.
 
BobTheFork said:
That's my guess. She turned down Jahgen (spelling?) to become a face changing assassin but she still has the coin so maybe she does something between and gets a change to kill all those people. I think that's her part to play in this.

Oh, about that I had a question. The phrase Jahgen tells her to use if she wants to meet her...
Is that what The Red Woman said to the priest from the brotherhood she she showed up. It sure sounded like it. Death is supposed to be 'the red god' right. I didn't it was the lord of light but who knows.
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Valar Morghulis. Yes, it's the same phrase. It's also used during a scene with Dany and Missandei earlier this season. It's Valyrian for "All Men Must Die."
 
Funky Papa said:
It was also the same phrase used by Dani: "All men must die". Thoros replied with something slightly different, though.
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Melisandre said "Valar Morghulis" to which Thoros replied with "Valar Dohaeris". The two are also the names of episodes 20 and 21, respectively.
 
I feel like Gendry is going to die. He is the true heir to the throne after all. And it seems that Lady Melissandre is doing anything possible for Stannis to take the throne.
 
McNei1y said:
I feel like Gendry is going to die. He is the true heir to the throne after all. And it seems that Lady Melissandre is doing anything possible for Stannis to take the throne.
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I felt the same at first, but Melisandre said that he will make kings rise and fall. I think she's planning something a bit bigger than another BBQ.

massa said:
Melisandre said "Valar Morghulis" to which Thoros replied with "Valar Dohaeris". The two are also the names of episodes 20 and 21, respectively.
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Do we know what "dohaeris" means?
 
Funky Papa said:
I felt the same at first, but Melisandre said that he will make kings rise and fall. I think she's planning something a bit bigger than another BBQ.


Do we know what "dohaeris" means?
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I don't think it has come up on the show, but it's not really spoiling anything to tell you. Hiding it just in case.

Valar Dohaeris = "All men must serve."
 
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