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[Dr_Cogent]

installed base in europe.

Console Installed Bases - 3/31/05

PS2 25.1m
Xbox 5.2m
GCN 3.9m

sony needs to put all their effort on the us market, since they already own EU + JP. in my opinion they should launch the ps3 in usa first, then japan and last europe. a 6 month gap between the usa and europe lanch sounds fair.

We will never get a launch out there before the Japanese. We have about a snowballs chance in hell on that one.

I would love to see it, but it's never gonna happen.

 

[jarrod]

You've got a better chance of seeing a shortage filled Dec launch than a March launch if SCEI has production # problems.

I dunno, PSP sorts of sets a precedent for delays. It's certainly possible Europe gets a 2006 release too, but it's also entirely possible they get the shaft again while Sony focuses on more competitive markets.

After reading the Takeuchi interview at gamespot I think you may be right, they haven't ruled out the Unreal 3 engine yet!

Yeah, that's what tipped me off too.

Agreed! But I don't think we should compare a game by a dev who is known for graphics while the other isn't. A fairer comparison would be Heavenly Sword

Naw, 1st party developers are privy to extraordinary resources, support and documentation that 3rd parties don't see. Capcom Studio 2 isn't exactly a graphics powerhouse either... they pretty much just make MegaMan and Onimusha games.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

I don't really give a poo. I hope it's at least a year after 360 so I don't feel as guilty about buying both.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Stinger is in charge baby! One of the first things he said that it's important to launch products in NA before Japan or something like that. PS3 may launch in NA first, Sony can easily overcome the X360 lead in Japan but the NA market will be tough to crack. If the games are ready by that time, they can and should launch in NA first.

 

[DarienA]

I dunno, PSP sorts of sets a precedent for delays. It's certainly possible Europe gets a 2006 release too, but it's also entirely possible they get the shaft again while Sony focuses on more competitive markets.

Respectfully I disagree... simply because I don't feel the launch of a product in a completely brand new market that you don't already have marketshare in can be compared to the launch of a product in a market that you have marketshare in and are fighting to keep, especially considering that it DOES look that the competing console is drawing more 3rd party support this time around.

 

[jarrod]

Stinger is in charge baby! One of the first things he said that it's important to launch products in NA before Japan or something like that. PS3 may launch in NA first, Sony can easily overcome the X360 lead in Japan but the NA market will be tough to crack. If the games are ready by that time, they can and should launch in NA first.

I'd like to see that happen actually... and strategically, it's definitely in Sony's best interests to impede the 360 threat where it's most dangerous (America). The only possible downside I can think of is that it may upset Sony's Japanese partners, but that's a risk worth taking I think. Just imagine...

America~ Spring 2006
Japan~ Fall 2006
Europe~ Winter 2006/2007

 

[dark10x]

I'd like to see that happen actually... and strategically, it's definitely in Sony's best interests to impede the 360 threat where it's most dangerous (America). The only possible downside I can think of is that it may upset Sony's Japanese partners, but that's a risk worth taking I think. Just imagine...

America~ Spring 2006
Japan~ Fall 2006
Europe~ Winter 2006/2007

I would quite unhappy if that were to occur... :\

 

[koam]

If Sony delays to 2007 and Nintendo follows suit, will the Xbox 360 succeed or become the next Dreamcast? A Revolution in 2007 will most certainly be more powerful than an X360 in 2005, plus it would have the super Jesus controller. Sony would also up their specifications by then for sure making it clearly more powerful than the X360.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

And exactly how would they be upsetting their Japanese partners?

 

[Deg]

I dunno, Sega was actually a strong choice for Europeans with more brand nostalgia over the market. I don't think Sony has to worry about Europe as much as they need to make sure Microsoft doesn't gain a foothold in America. And if that means delaying EU launch into 2007 so they can supply more units to America, that's what's going to happen.

Are you even thinking straight? :lol Do you work for Nintendo by any chance?

You need to stop dreaming of an anti sony future.

 

[bigNman]

I think there is a chance of that happening. The xbox 360 wont be flying off the shelves in Europe and Japan and a 99 dollar ps2 will outsell the x360 for a while.

But I see the PS3 launching in America/Japan fall 2006 and 2007 in Europe.

 

[jarrod]

And exactly how would they be upsetting their Japanese partners?

Pretty much just Japanese pride. For publishers like Sega, Namco, Capcom or Konami it really wouldn't matter much though since they have strong western presences too.

Are you even thinking straight? :lol Do you work for Nintendo by any chance?

You need to stop dreaming of an anti sony future.

Isn't it about time you were banned again?

 

[cja]

Are you even thinking straight? :lol Do you work for Nintendo by any chance?

You need to stop dreaming of an anti sony future.

European ad agencies touting for PS3 business are under the impression "Sony is expected to launch the PlayStation3 in spring 2007".

EA's boss in Europe thinks it unlikely PS3 will see a Euro release in 2006:

Publishers want to believe, but need convincing. “The earlier PlayStation 3 gets to us the better, but even spring next year in Japan was a surprise. Here by next autumn? Wow, that’s hard,” said Electronic Arts’ European boss Gerhard Florin.

While the rest of the article that quote is from tries to spin an '06 is probable line this is the same SCEE who promised PSP in March 2005. I assume you feel the likes of EA work for Nintendo and dream of an anti sony future along with Jarrod then? Whose the one not thinking straight here?

Sony don't know when they can get PS3 out yet in Europe, it'll depend on Cell and RSX yields at their final clock rate and demand in Japan and North America. These are current unknowns and no amount of crystal ball gazing gives us the answers.

 

[Deg]

Pretty much just Japanese pride. For publishers like Sega, Namco, Capcom or Konami it really wouldn't matter much though since they have strong western presences too.



Isn't it about time you were banned again?

It sounds unlike Sony more like what Nintendo would say and do :lol and you are getting pissed for me pointing that out. Awful business choice that wouldnt even happen of course. Europe have given Sony 25m PS2 sales. 25m consoles for publishers to sell games on. Given that the software Europe buys isnt that different from the US it helps to generate console sales in Europe. If you look at the big picture Xbox sales in the West just arent as large as MS say which also explains the support.

Separately, Sony is also understood to have also run a five-way pan-European pitch for a digital project to support its £162m, seven-year sponsorship deal with Fifa, football's world governing body. A decision is expected shortly.

Sony know how to leverage their brand.

 

[kaching]

I'd really love to get some insight into how analyst think these things through - if there's any common thread from one thought to the next. Sony's business plans have targeted 2006 for the PS3 for quite a while now, most of their PS business partners are invested in a 2006 release at this point and a deferred 2007 launch would only incur more PS3 startup costs while seeing no return in 2006, offsetting to some extent whatever benefit analysts see to riding out the PS2 another year. The PS2 is going to continue to be in business for several years yet, regardless of when the PS3 arrives. I don't really see how a 2007 launch of the PS3 would really increase Sony's profit outlook.

 

[Ranger X]

No matter what it means money wise, the less rushed hardware and the more games ready is what i'm looking for. Waiting from fall 2006 to spring 2007 wouldn't kill me at all.
You guys are fucking impatient and the present gen is still strong. The 360 (and also the PS3 at first) will take off slower than most people think.

 

[Mrbob]

I think this is fairly simple.

You think Sony is going to let MS get two Christmas seasons in with Madden 06 and Madden 07, next generation madden, all to themselves? Hellll no. And Sony is going to let all of 2006 ride in Europe and Japan, letting MS getting next gen Winning Eleven exclusive in both regions the entire year? Not gonna happen. Besides, there is a compelling argument to make that PS2 profits can help offset PS3 losses until the PS3 becomes profitable.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Maybe PS3 won't show here until Fall...MAYBE. But 2007 is just idiotic. They would have to seriously bank on MS being very late, not to mention RSX would be clowned by every new PC card on the market. The launch has been Spring 2006 forever. Why would it change now? Changing the date AFTER/NEAR the X360 launch is silly. It would mean MS could sell their usual early-adopter amounts, and then get a new surge in sales from all the disappointed PS3 holdouts after the fact. At least if they broke that news at E3 or something, then you might still have some people willing to ride out the PS2 until then. The PS2's release schedule doesn't look all that intriguing. Not with MS getting some good properties for a newer system. And that $99 price only buys time, not marketshare. It gives MS a chance to romp off to well over a 10M unit lead. Stupid article from Gamespot and Wedbush. Sorry, I don't buy this bullshit for a second. If I'm owned later on, I'll be the first to start the bitching and moaning. PEACE.

 

[VictimOfGrief]

Doom 4 starring "The Rock"

 

[Guy LeDouche]

hah, I think Pachter saying 2007 means 2006 is a lock.

I'll just wait for Sony to announce it. So far, they have stuck to every single timetable they've set-up, so I don't know why people are crying that the sky is falling or something.

 

[Razoric]

hah, I think Pachter saying 2007 means 2006 is a lock.

I'll just wait for Sony to announce it. So far, they have stuck to every single timetable they've set-up, so I don't know why people are crying that the sky is falling or something.

People also believe the PS3 could retail for $500+.

I think a lot of it is probably just wishful thinking. :lol

 

[psycho_snake]

The thing the made PS1 have more marketshare than N64 was the vast amount of games on the PS1. The thing that made PS2 have more amrketshare than Xbox and GC was the head start and the greater selection of games on PS2. This time round, X360 and PS3 seem to be getting the same amount of third party support but X360 will have the head start. The only way that they would release PS3 in 2007 is if everyone at Sony got permanently drunk recently and decided it would be a good idea to give MS an even greater head start to allow them to gain a huge amount of marketshare without any competition apart from Nintendo who seem to have been erased from existance at the moment.

In other words, it wont happen

 

[Any1]

My god, does anyone realize how big the 360 game library would be if Sony waited that long. If Sony did wait, the quantity and quality of games available for the 360 would be huge.

 

[Mrbob]

My god, does anyone realize how big the 360 game library would be if Sony waited that long. If Sony did wait, the quantity and quality of games available for the 360 would be huge.

If Sony does wait till 2007 (They won't), all the people in this thread who say they will wait for PS3 will pick up xbox 360 in 2006! Also, I do think there is a real possibility Halo 3 could be out November 2006.

 

[Stinkles]

I don't think Sony is being arrogant or bullish with any perceived delay. Fact is they've bitten off a lot, and it will take a lot of chewing to get it onto store shelves. Blu-Ray format, hardware costs, Cell tweaking - everything is going to contribute to a long wait. The "arrogance" is just PR. They're acting tough while they get the thing ready. Perfectly understandable.


That said, WHERE THE FUCK IS MY HIGH DEF MOVIES BITCHES>

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

If Sony does wait till 2007 (They won't), all the people in this thread who say they will wait for PS3 will pick up xbox 360 in 2006! Also, I do think there is a real possibility Halo 3 could be out November 2006.

I call Halo 3 and pricedrop before Xmas 2006. Watch it happen

 

[Pimpwerx]

I don't think Sony is being arrogant or bullish with any perceived delay. Fact is they've bitten off a lot, and it will take a lot of chewing to get it onto store shelves. Blu-Ray format, hardware costs, Cell tweaking - everything is going to contribute to a long wait. The "arrogance" is just PR. They're acting tough while they get the thing ready. Perfectly understandable.


That said, WHERE THE FUCK IS MY HIGH DEF MOVIES BITCHES>

What exactly have they bitten off that they can't chew? BD? Cell? RSX? You could have said the same with DVD/EE/GS for the PS2, and many actually did. This rumor is as bologna as it gets. Fiscal year 2007? Sure. That starts in April of next year. But calendar 2007 is idiotic. Some argued the PS3 wasn't gonna offer much of an improvement over the 360. The system in its current form is a beast, but it will be outdated in 2007. The iron's hot, it's time to strike. And I think we'll see that clearly next Spring. This thread should be archived until TGS. There's really no point to be showing all these demos and even games in development (what's DeanoC and co. gonna be doing for the next 18 months?) when you're gonna push a launch back over a year. Buuuuuuull-shit. Buuuuuuuull-shit. I'm sorry, this one smells badly of it. And GS is just parroting that Wedbush article. PEACE.

 

[Razoric]

This thread should be archived until TGS.

on that same note I have a feeling TGS will be what E3 should've been... and my god have mercy on these forums. :lol

 

[sohka88]

PS3 Japan, US and europe fall 2006

$349

 

[Link316]

My god, does anyone realize how big the 360 game library would be if Sony waited that long. If Sony did wait, the quantity and quality of games available for the 360 would be huge.

it won't make much difference if alot the X360 games are just PS2 & Xbox ports

 

[Stinkles]

What exactly have they bitten off that they can't chew?

I didn't say they can't chew it, I said it's a lot to chew. Look at them, masticating furiously. 'Til the PS3 comes out. In 2006 or 2007.

 

[Phoenix]

Buried in an analyst's memo, written shortly after last week's Electronic Arts earnings call, was a hidden gem. According to the widely read team at Wedbush Morgan Securities, Sony may delay the release of the PlayStation 3 until 2007--if exactly the right conditions prevail.

Only if the "right conditions" include Xbox360s being found to give you cancer and AIDs.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I could imagine a senario where the 360 sold bad at 1st because of people waiting for the PS3. So Sony delays the PS3.... then people say fuck! might aswell get the 360!

It would be a very bad move. Sony is banking on people waiting. Making them wait longer is not a good idea.

 

[Chiggs]

People also believe the PS3 could retail for $500+.

I think a lot of it is probably just wishful thinking. :lol

1. HUR HUR HURRR, I WONDER WHERE THEY GOT THE KA-RA-RAAAAZZZZY IDEA THAT THE PS3 COULD BE EXPENSIVE!!!#@!?

2. Yeah, because anyone who thinks it might launch at a price over $299.99 must be a scared Xbot.

 

[SolidSnakex]

1. HUR HUR HURRR, I WONDER WHERE THEY GOT THE KA-RA-RAAAAZZZZY IDEA THAT THE PS3 COULD BE EXPENSIVE!!!#@!?

2. Yeah, because anyone who thinks it might launch at a price over $299.99 must be a scared Xbot.

If you think its launching over 500 you're just on something. Everytime, and I mean everytime, Sony launches a new console so many people expect it to be extremely expensive. Most recently the PSP. No way can Sony launch a that at anything below 400 with that screen. No way.

 

[Chiggs]

If you think its launching over 500 you're just on something. Everytime, and I mean everytime, Sony launches a new console so many people expect it to be extremely expensive. Most recently the PSP. No way can Sony launch a that at anything below 400 with that screen. No way.

I personally think it'll be $399.99 (which is just fine with me), but it's not hard to see why some people believe it's going to be expensive.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

You gotta factor Revolution into this too. Let's say Revolution launches in between X-BOX 360 & PS3. At first, dirrectly, X-BOX 360 & Revolution will be competing for the next-generation buyers...in fact, they may be so busy competing with each other that they both stumble over each other (like they did this generation) giving Sony time to plan and strike accordingly.

I don't believe Sony would wait 'til 2007 (except, maybe Europe), the longest they'll wait is 'til Holiday's 2006 in the U.S. market.

However, let's say Revolution launches after PS3 (seperating itself from the competition), thus having X-BOX 360 on the market by itself for a much longer period...this would force Sony to counter sooner rather than later 'cos instead of next generation buyers having 2 choices, they'll instead only have 1 (X-BOX 360). Not giving Sony as much time to plan & wait gives them less time for: launch software, launch shortages, to lower costs, to beef up final specs. This also keeps Sony from implimenting any of Revolution's ideas into a delayed PS3. Nintendo can use the higher demand of the other 2 consoles to their advantage giving them time for a more strategic worldwide launch or even capitalize on PS3 shortages soon after it launches.

Hopefully Nintendo Revolution launches as close to or as soon after PS3 and sometimes before the end of 2006.

 

[psycho_snake]

If Sony does wait till 2007 (They won't), all the people in this thread who say they will wait for PS3 will pick up xbox 360 in 2006! Also, I do think there is a real possibility Halo 3 could be out November 2006.

Wasnt there some rumours that stated MS will release Halo 3 the same day that Sony release PS3? If thats true then Im quite sure Halo 3 will be out before the end of 2006. It just proves that Sony won;'t release the PS3 any later than fall 2006 because they know MS will gain too much marketshare.