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http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/torino2006/review.html
The problem is that the name IS TORINO or else NYC is Citta' di Nuova York!
Do no tell me this guy is Italian or has Italian ancestors
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http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/torino2006/review.html
The problem is that the name IS TORINO or else NYC is Citta' di Nuova York!
Do no tell me this guy is Italian or has Italian ancestors
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Slaaaaabs said:
Stupid naming conventions
.I personally think that when it can be avoided city names should NOT be translated: adaptation of a different writing system (Kanji to Romaji is something different than tranlating the name IMHO).
Mama Smurf
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I call it Juventusville.
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Mama Smurf said:
Or FIAT-ville...
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Panajev2001a said:http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/torino2006/review.html
The problem is that the name IS TORINO or else NYC is Citta' di Nuova York!
Do no tell me this guy is Italian or has Italian ancestors
Being an American and highly critical of my own culture, I have to say that for the average American moron that map pretty much sums up the extent of their knowledge of what exists outside of America.
That being said.... :lol :lol :lol BRILLIANT!!!
Why Americans insist on using the Italian pronunciation of Torino over the American pronunciation of Turin during the Olympics is beyond me.
Ever heard of the "Shroud of Torino" in the states? Anyone in the states ever talk about taking a trip to Roma? And when was the last time someone in the states mentioned lovely Firenzia?
The double standard is...something.
Ever heard of the "Shroud of Torino" in the states? Anyone in the states ever talk about taking a trip to Roma? And when was the last time someone in the states mentioned lovely Firenzia?
The double standard is...something.
I know the next is probably unnecessary, but oh well.
Officially it's Nederland, which translates into The Netherlands. However, we Dutch folk (oh God, that sounded arrogant
) also use Holland (with the O's being spoken differently in English and Dutch). So yeah, our country has two names. Anyone up for a small history lesson?
The name Holland is derived from holt-land, or holtzland (pushcar), because the north-western part of our country (which centuries ago was part of the Holy Roman -German- Empire) carried a lot trees. After the defeat of Napoleon in 1815 the Kingdom of the Netherlands was founded. There's a lot more to be told, but this is GAF, not some History Age Forums.
To be honest, the usage of Holland for the entire Netherlands is wrong, but we do it ourselves too. There are two provinces who received the name Holland, those are North-Holland and South-Holland. Yeah, not very original, but it works. And incase you're wondering, Amsterdam lies in N-H.
Anyhoo, geography is still a bitch for the US schoolsystem from what I heard. Correct me if I'm wrong ofcourse. But I do wonder now, why do you call it Torino instead of Turin? XD
Officially it's Nederland, which translates into The Netherlands. However, we Dutch folk (oh God, that sounded arrogant
) also use Holland (with the O's being spoken differently in English and Dutch). So yeah, our country has two names. Anyone up for a small history lesson?The name Holland is derived from holt-land, or holtzland (pushcar), because the north-western part of our country (which centuries ago was part of the Holy Roman -German- Empire) carried a lot trees. After the defeat of Napoleon in 1815 the Kingdom of the Netherlands was founded. There's a lot more to be told, but this is GAF, not some History Age Forums.
To be honest, the usage of Holland for the entire Netherlands is wrong, but we do it ourselves too. There are two provinces who received the name Holland, those are North-Holland and South-Holland. Yeah, not very original, but it works. And incase you're wondering, Amsterdam lies in N-H.
Anyhoo, geography is still a bitch for the US schoolsystem from what I heard. Correct me if I'm wrong ofcourse. But I do wonder now, why do you call it Torino instead of Turin? XD
Vashu said:I know the next is probably unnecessary, but oh well.
Officially it's Nederland, which translates into The Netherlands. However, we Dutch folk (oh God, that sounded arrogant
The name Holland is derived from holt-land, or holtzland (pushcar), because the north-western part of our country (which centuries ago was part of the Holy Roman -German- Empire) carried a lot trees. After the defeat of Napoleon in 1815 the Kingdom of the Netherlands was founded. There's a lot more to be told, but this is GAF, not some History Age Forums.
To be honest, the usage of Holland for the entire Netherlands is wrong, but we do it ourselves too. There are two provinces who received the name Holland, those are North-Holland and South-Holland. Yeah, not very original, but it works. And incase you're wondering, Amsterdam lies in N-H.
Anyhoo, geography is still a bitch for the US schoolsystem from what I heard. Correct me if I'm wrong ofcourse. But I do wonder now, why do you call it Torino instead of Turin? XD
Actually, you'd have to include the northern, southern and united Netherlands too, there's a gap in your history.
Nevermind. :lol
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To be fair, I doubt many europeans know all the US states and state capitals, which in a way can be compared to the seperate countries in Europe (or at least that's what the EU hopes to achieve one day... 
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).Good point. Question to NA gaffers: do most americans know all US states, and are able to approximately place them on a map? At last, do all states have specific cultural attributes?Powdered Toastman said:To be fair, I doubt many europeans know all the US states and state capitals, which in a way can be compared to the seperate countries in Europe (or at least that's what the EU hopes to achieve one day...
Powdered Toastman said:To be fair, I doubt many europeans know all the US states and state capitals, which in a way can be compared to the seperate countries in Europe (or at least that's what the EU hopes to achieve one day...
Actually all other countries have states too, you know.
And i don't think the EU tries to achieve what you just said.
Furoba said:Actually, you'd have to include the northern, southern and united Netherlands too, there's a gap in your history.
Nevermind. :lol
:lol
Hey, you guys decided to cut yourself loose and go with the wonky name of België/Belgium.
I deliberately left that out, like I said, no need for a long history paper on GAF. Anyhoo, Torino/Turin, who cares anymore.. The game is shit, that's all that matters.
Alien Bob said:
:lol
We are, but the Britains screwed things up and messed with the translation, cor blimey! Another long story. But seriously, I think you can look it up.
marc^o^ said:
Sadly, many Americans don't even know the capital of their own state. I don't know if I'd say that every single state had distinct cultural attributes, but by and large yes. Some states fall into cultural groups, like the New England States, the Carolinas, Some of the prairie states, etc. There are also significant differences between people from different areas of many states, particularly those that bridge several regions. Speaking of my own home state, Northern Virginia, Southwestern Virginia, and Tidewater Virginia are all very distinctly different. This culture clash is often seen in the state Legislature.
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Brashnir said:
The capital of Minnesota is M.
Theory shot down, bizzam!
Vashu said::lol
Hey, you guys decided to cut yourself loose and go with the wonky name of België/Belgium.
Anyhoo, Torino/Turin, who cares anymore.. The game is shit, that's all that matters.
:lol
We are, but the Britains screwed things up and messed with the translation, cor blimey! Another long story. But seriously, I think you can look it up.
It were the Spanish who cut us off, then the Austrians and later the French! ;p
The only confusing thing might be that the Dutch language is actually not restricted to The Netherlands as it includes Belgium and Suriname (and to a lesser degree South Africa) as well.
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Furoba said:
Aye, you are correct there.
Yes, that is true too. What's even worse, everytime I heard someone from South Africa talk, I can almost understand them. It's really old Dutch from what I was told, and it has evolved to something unintelligible for the most of us. But hey, we have Friesland (for you guys going crazy, it's just a province), which is even worse. That is another language all by itself and even 90% of the Dutch have problems understanding that. XD
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NME said:
It is Firenze btw
. No... pitchforks won't be necessaries... *runs*...
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Matlock said:
Hello Matlock, I was born, raised and lived most of my life in Torino, do I qualify as one of those people ?
The real name if you want to be anal is Augusta Taurinense, why stopping at the old Piemontese/French spelling ?
They're calling it Torino here too even though it's not the name used in the common lingo (Turijn)... so it's nothing restricted to America, I guess either the italians or the olympic committee just wanted everyone to say Torino for some national pride thing
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
In a National Geographic survey a few years back, 11% of Americans couldn't pick out the US on a map. What makes it worst is that they only had a choice of 4 options and some people will have gotten it through a lucky guess. And some other countries around the world beat them at identifying the US.
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Matlock said:What's your point? You're pulling the "stupid American" card in a case where he's RIGHT.
Also, for your bit in the OP about New York to be right...well, it'd be ass-backwards. Torino is an Italian name for Turiin.
Torino is the name of Torino.
Last I checked basically nobody here calls it Turin anymore and it is not the name in the official maps or in any official documentation.
The name IS Torino.
http://www.quirinale.it/homepage.asp
http://www.regione.piemonte.it/piemonteinforma/torino2006/notizie/torino_lione.htm
http://www.to.camcom.it/Page/t14/view_html?idp=7637
Do some official documentation here and write it Turin, it won't go very far.
I say respect, where possible, each country's conventions on its own places and sites.
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Matlock said:
Matlock, NPR... interesting...
.I know that French people, American people, British people, Irish people, etc... call it Turin... it is still wrong in my view and quite indicative of how submissive to them we are as a culture.
I prefer saying Paris and not Parigi, London and not Londra or Munich and not Monaco, etc...
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Alien Bob said:
We can all go back to thinking Piemonte being what it used to be and what happened during its history that changed things...
Going back now is not realistic... or you can still dream it like...
Matlock, not all americans are like that... some are... but my theory is that kind of people is equally distributed in every town in every country of every continent of every world of every universe... if I make my point clear.
Damn even the BBC got it wrong!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/winter_sports/4699248.stm
The 20th Winter Olympics got under way with a spectacular opening ceremony in Turin on Friday.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/winter_sports/4699248.stm
The 20th Winter Olympics got under way with a spectacular opening ceremony in Turin on Friday.
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ourumov said:Turín in Spainis, Torí en català and I always thought Torino in English...never been there, the fuckers that went with me in Italy said it wasn't interesting...I just wanted to go to the FIAT and salute mr. Agnelli
He died a while ago... we have this guy here in charge (well, quite high in the food chain
):
The real opera director is this one though:
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DarienA said:
It is common convention to call it Turin outside Italy...
Italians are guilty of the same crime... few foreign towns are called with their proper name and that is wrong!
Geographical locations and their naming are a tricky bit. For example, the swedish city of Göteborg is often referred to as Gothenburg (or some variation) abroad, the country of Suomi is often refered to (in english) as Finland outside of it's boundaries, Sverige Sweden, and so on.
The thing with language is that it's only good as long as all of the other people around you understand what you are saying, So if the rest of the world has decided to call country X something else, then who is to say that they are wrong? It is the name that they've given to that specific geographical area, everybody understands what it means when it's talked about, etc.
One could think that having a singular naming convention would be easier, but there are problems with that. The thing is that due to the phonemes used in a language, the original name might not be pronouncable, so that the word for the geographical location will be naturally changed over time to something pronouncable, as will some of it's geographical locations.
And then there is the far more "interesting" debate if the names of cities/regions/etc should be pronounced in the same way as the people do in the city/region in question. I hope that none here feels that it should be that way...
The thing with language is that it's only good as long as all of the other people around you understand what you are saying, So if the rest of the world has decided to call country X something else, then who is to say that they are wrong? It is the name that they've given to that specific geographical area, everybody understands what it means when it's talked about, etc.
One could think that having a singular naming convention would be easier, but there are problems with that. The thing is that due to the phonemes used in a language, the original name might not be pronouncable, so that the word for the geographical location will be naturally changed over time to something pronouncable, as will some of it's geographical locations.
And then there is the far more "interesting" debate if the names of cities/regions/etc should be pronounced in the same way as the people do in the city/region in question. I hope that none here feels that it should be that way...
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Vashu said:I know the next is probably unnecessary, but oh well.
Officially it's Nederland, which translates into The Netherlands. However, we Dutch folk (oh God, that sounded arrogant
The name Holland is derived from holt-land, or holtzland (pushcar), because the north-western part of our country (which centuries ago was part of the Holy Roman -German- Empire) carried a lot trees. After the defeat of Napoleon in 1815 the Kingdom of the Netherlands was founded. There's a lot more to be told, but this is GAF, not some History Age Forums.
To be honest, the usage of Holland for the entire Netherlands is wrong, but we do it ourselves too. There are two provinces who received the name Holland, those are North-Holland and South-Holland. Yeah, not very original, but it works. And incase you're wondering, Amsterdam lies in N-H.
Anyhoo, geography is still a bitch for the US schoolsystem from what I heard. Correct me if I'm wrong ofcourse. But I do wonder now, why do you call it Torino instead of Turin? XD
Heh, I tend to visit the Netherlands, but watch Holland play, go figure.
I really have no problem calling it Torino.
Couple reasons. First, I guess in Italy it actually is called Torino. If we haven't respected proper spellings of places in the past, we can start now. That doesn't offend me. Second, "Turin" sounds like barf. It sounds industrial and utilitarian. Torino sounds festive and exciting.
So, even though it may be a marketing decision, I think it is a fairly good one.
Couple reasons. First, I guess in Italy it actually is called Torino. If we haven't respected proper spellings of places in the past, we can start now. That doesn't offend me. Second, "Turin" sounds like barf. It sounds industrial and utilitarian. Torino sounds festive and exciting.
So, even though it may be a marketing decision, I think it is a fairly good one.