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Gaming--> Plasma. Ok?

Dr_Cogent said:
It's going to make all this plasma, and other technologies, look stupid in the future.

You mean like LCOS? which is predictably dead on arrival...most manufacturer cancel their plans for this.


It will look good at any angle unlike current HD technologies. I can't stand viewing these HD TVs at an angle. You have to look at them dead on and that's just unnacceptable to me.

So does plasmas... I think you're getting confused with Rear Projections HDTVs

I like Samsung Slim HDTVs, I may get one but I don't really want to buy another TV in the future without 1080p support.
 
Ghost of Bill Gates said:
You mean like LCOS? which is predictably dead on arrival...most manufacturer cancel their plans for this.




So does plasmas... I think you're getting confused with Rear Projections HDTVs

I like Samsung Slim HDTVs, I may get one but I don't really want to buy another TV in the future without 1080p support.

I wasn't talking about LCOS, so I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Plasmas dismal lifespan is not acceptable, especially for the price you pay. Plus, burn in is still possible, so I really don't care to bother with Plasma. I'm not that rich.
 
SlimCRT: Technology in which the angle of deflection is improved in order to shorten the CRT. Dunno what GoBG was saying, because the only PR I've heard on it was regarding late this year, not last. Seems like it's basically ready to go, but realize it still suffers all of the problems of today's HDTV CRTs, like dot pitch, and inability to show true 1920x1080.

SED/FED: Technology with essentially micro-CRTs driving each pixel. Has the potential to dominate the TV marketplace but is still very much still in development (unless you have a spare 100k US or so to flaunt).
 
Dr_Cogent said:
I wasn't talking about LCOS, so I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Plasmas dismal lifespan is not acceptable, especially for the price you pay. Plus, burn in is still possible, so I really don't care to bother with Plasma. I'm not that rich.

Todays model plasmas last over 20 years with 8 hour a day viewing.. I dont get what you mean " lifespan is not acceptable"

As for burn in.. All phosphor display technology..yes that includes those "mini CRTs" you're talking has a risk of burn-in. It pays to do your own research. The Cnet article on gaming TVs says on newer model plasmas, burn-in is a non issue.

Now I think your real reason you dislike Plasma is the price.
 
Plasmas dismal lifespan is not acceptable, especially for the price you pay. Plus, burn in is still possible, so I really don't care to bother with Plasma. I'm not that rich.

The latest plasmas get around 60,000 hours before they dim to 1/2 thier orginal brightness. I think that figures to be around 20 years of watching 8 hours of TV! How many people really keep a set for 20 years anyway??? This is no longer an argument that holds any water.

As for burn-in, it can happen if you try. But the newer plasma TV's are very burn in resistant. I suspect you'd have to leave the same image on the tv for days before you'd get permanent burn-in. Most plasmas nowadays have screen savers and other features designed to prevent this. Honestly, I've never heard of anyone that owns a panasonic plasma ever having burn-in.

Plasma's really aren't that expensive compared to true LCD's (not projection). Projection is much more affordable, and if you want a much larger TV, have the space for it, and don't mind a slightly inferior picture and viewing angles, then projection makes sense. It all comes down to what you want and need.

/edit/

LOL... Ghost of Bill Gates beat me to it...
 
Plasmas also tend to get really hot. I don't really care for that.

60,000 hours is just what the manufacturer "says" their lifetime is. I am not inclined to believe manufacturers. 30,000 hours is what they have been usually rated at and I sincerely doubt they have improved the half-life for the phosphor gases that much.
 
Deg said:
At those sizes however plasma will offer the best picture by far.

I'll agree with you there. At large sizes, plasma is pretty damn impressive. But at what price range? $3k on a LCD or DLP is going to go alot further than on a plasma (which would likely be some 42" EDTV). Sure, if you're willing to spend $6-10k plasma is a great choice...
 
Dr_Cogent said:
Plasmas also tend to get really hot. I don't really care for that.

60,000 hours is just what the manufacturer "says" their lifetime is. I am not inclined to believe manufacturers. 30,000 hours is what they have been usually rated at and I sincerely doubt they have improved the half-life for the phosphor gases that much.

Come on. Technology keeps moving forward. There have been remarkable steps made lately. Stuff thought not possible even years back.

PG2G said:
I'll agree with you there. At large sizes, plasma is pretty damn impressive. But at what price range? $3k on a LCD or DLP is going to go alot further than on a plasma (which would likely be some 42" EDTV). Sure, if you're willing to spend $6-10k plasma is a great choice...

There are very good cheap Plasmas now. Which is why sales have gone up. Granted they dont match the more expensive ones but the offer lovely PQ. :)
 
Deg said:
Come on. Technology keeps moving forward. There have been remarkable steps made lately. Stuff thought not possible even years back.

True, and I am sure technology is going to go beyond plasma relatively quickly.
 
Dr_Cogent said:
True, and I am sure technology is going to go beyond plasma relatively quickly.

People have been saying that forever. Yet plasma wins for quality and sales.
 
Deg said:
People have been saying that forever. Yet plasma wins for quality and sales.
Plasma wins becaue it's flat, not becasue it has better quality. People buy it for a status symbol. It's like Bose speakers.
 
gohepcat said:
Plasma wins becaue it's flat, not becasue it has better quality. People buy it for a status symbol. It's like Bose speakers.

Speak for yourself.

I bought mine because it had better picture quality than any other display.
 
Yes, field emission displays, not LCDs or Plasmas (even though have I own a 50 inch panny) are the future of flat panel displays (notice I didn't say anything about rear or front projection)

The race to market FEDs (carbon nanotube or otherwise) is going on with a lot of large companies.....Toshiba/Canon will have the first FEDs available this year and even though they don't even use CNT emmitters they are said to offer unbelieveble PQ...
 
GrandPipe said:
This thread sucks. I thought it was goign to be _full_ of useful info.

I bought a plasma TV today, 50" pioneer (http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/home_entertainment/plasmadisplaypanel/pdp505hd/index.html)
Now, i'd like some opinion on Monster cables vs. Xbox HD AV pack/Sony PS2/Gamecube Component cables.
While i'm here, some discussion on component switch boxes and maybe some more on should i be concerned about HDMI right now.

Thanks and watching :D

Its a shame. Congrats on your 50" Pioneer. :) I'd assume monster component are better.

HDMI does matter. There are HDMI dvd players out.
 
Maybe I should hold of fon the XBR960 and see what these FEDs have to offer. Though, buying a first gen one is probably a pretty bad idea.
 
gohepcat said:
Plasma wins becaue it's flat, not becasue it has better quality. People buy it for a status symbol. It's like Bose speakers.

I think Plasma wins because currently its the best technology available as far as picture quality goes and size. I just think its going to go the way of the dodo a lot quicker than traditional CRT technology is.
 
Dr_Cogent said:
I think Plasma wins because currently its the best technology available as far as picture quality goes and size. I just think its going to go the way of the dodo a lot quicker than traditional CRT technology is.


Plasma is a proven technology, it's been around for a long time now. It has solid backing from Pioneer and Panasonic.. among others.

But the new tech displays is another story.. they have to prove their worth. some have already falling like LCOS..which was suppose to be the death of CRT, rear projection and Plasma.

I say get what you can now or you'll be spending the rest of your life waiting.
 
Ghost of Bill Gates said:
some have already falling like LCOS..which was suppose to be the death of CRT, rear projection and Plasma..

Why do you keep saying this? I'm sorry but JVC's and Sony's LCOS based (DLIA and SXRD.) RPTVs are already out on the market and don't suffer from the defects Toshiba had with their first LCOS RPTV. Most of the people that have seen the new 70” Sony SXRD RPTV (1080p native res.) say it’s the best PQ they have seen on any digital display.

GrandPipe, you should have made sure your Plasma had HDMI input because at the moment HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will only pass a HD signal (720p or 1080i) over HDMI.
 
Warrior said:
Why do you keep saying this? I'm sorry but JVC's and Sony's LCOS based (DLIA and SXRD.) RPTVs are already out on the market and don't suffer from the defects Toshiba had with their first LCOS RPTV. Most of the people that have seen the new 70” Sony SXRD RPTV (1080p native res.) say it’s the best PQ they have seen on any digital display.

People have written off LCD and plasmas constantly. Problem is it never happens and instead large advances and record sales occur.

GrandPipe, you should have made sure your Plasma had HDMI input because at the moment HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will only pass a HD signal (720p or 1080i) over HDMI.

Likely does if its not too old.
 
Warrior said:
Still it does not change the fact that LCOS is not a 'dead' tech.



Check out the link he posted to his new Plasma. It does not have HDMI.

http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/home_entertainment/plasmadisplaypanel/pdp505hd/index.html#add_info

I look forward to what LCOS brings but its not in the shops yet.

The tv does have HDMI, it shouldnt have HD in the name otherwise. Pioneer promote the hell out of HDMI on their screens.

edit: reading up its an excellent screen. One of the best.

It costs $10,000 :o

I wish had this. :D
 
Warrior said:
GrandPipe, you should have made sure your Plasma had HDMI input because at the moment HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will only pass a HD signal (720p or 1080i) over HDMI.

Hmm. So what about DVI? Totally useless for HD-DVD and Blueray? I've got an HD set myself (Sammy DLP, realy enjoy it), but it doesn't have an HDMI input. Am I going to be screwed later on?
 
Deg said:
I look forward to what LCOS brings but its not in the shops yet.

LCOS based RPTVs are already out in the U.S. (I'm guessing you're not in the U.S)

Xellos said:
Hmm. So what about DVI? Totally useless for HD-DVD and Blueray? I've got an HD set myself (Sammy DLP, realy enjoy it), but it doesn't have an HDMI input. Am I going to be screwed later on?

HDMI is backwards compatible with DVI. All you need to buy is a HDMI to DVI converter.
 
Warrior said:
GrandPipe, you should have made sure your Plasma had HDMI input because at the moment HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will only pass a HD signal (720p or 1080i) over HDMI.

Hmm, im pretty sure its HDMI & DVI with HDCP compliance (which are the same thing minus analog audio cables for dvi)
 
Buggy Loop said:
Hmm, im pretty sure its HDMI & DVI with HDCP compliance (which are the same thing minus analog audio cables for dvi)

Like I mentioned above HDMI is backwards compatible with DVI. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players will most likely come with HDMI output and not DVI. You'll need to buy a HDMI to DVI converter. But, who knows you might see some top end players with DVI and HDMI out.
 
Impressions of the first generation of FEDs Toshiba/Canon's SED:

CES Diary: Day Three
By Gordon Brockhouse CES hasnÂ’t finished, but IÂ’ve already picked what for me is the highlight of the show: the SED (Super-conduction Electron-emitter Display) technology developed by Canon and Toshiba. Yesterday, Robert Franner and I had an opportunity to attend a closed-door briefing and demonstration of the new technology.
The demonstration featured a side-by-side comparison of 37-inch plasma, LCD and prototype SED displays, all with 720p resolution. The demonstrators would not say which plasma display they were using; the LCD was a current Toshiba model. The plasma is a current model, and according to the presenters, an upmarket unit (as evidenced by the fact that itÂ’s a high-def display). Still, based on its black performance, I would say IÂ’ve seen better plasma displays, though it was clearly much better than the milky-grey units that were the norm a couple of years ago.

Flat-Out Beautiful: In every respect, the SED unit outperformed the plasma and LCD displays. The differences werenÂ’t massive on scenes consisting mainly of mid-tones. But on very dark and very bright scenes, the SED display was far better. On dark scenes, blacks looked truly black; and moreover shadow detail was considerably better, allowing you to make out textures and details in dark fabrics for example. It was the same at the upper end of the brightness scale: more brilliant whites and better highlight detail. Motion was much better on the SED. Especially on the LCD, a sweeping metronome had noticeable blurring: it was completely clean on the SED.

Contrast and motion looked every bit as good as youÂ’d get from a top-notch CRT, which isnÂ’t surprising when you consider that the front surface of the SED display is basically the same as a large, high-resolution picture tube. Like a CRT, SED produces images by firing electrons at a screen coated with light-emitting phosphors. The difference is the source of those electrons. Instead of firing electrons from an electron gun and controlling their direction with an electromagnetic yoke, SEDs have a tiny solid-state electron emitter behind each pixel. The result is a very thin profile. The panel itself is only 2mm deep, and the entire display is 7mm deep.

In a nutshell, this was the best-looking flat-panel image that IÂ’ve ever seen
(though some of the new LCD models from BenQ, LG and Samsung that IÂ’ve seen here also look stunning). Given that, IÂ’m not surprised that SEDÂ’s developers are hoping to take a 20 to 30% share of the global flat-panel market.

But it’s not going to happen quickly. Toshiba and Canon plan to begin producing a 50-inch-plus 1080p SED television later this year, but at low production volumes, around 3,000 units per month. Once full-scale production begins, capacity will increase to 15,000 units per month, gradually increasing to 70,000 per month by the end of 2007. To put those numbers into perspective, consider that among plasma manufacturers, Pioneer alone is currently producing 100,000 units a month. And while production ramps up, LCD and plasma manufacturers will continue to improve their products. The improvement in these displays in the past year underlines the fact that SED developers are chasing a moving target, so a 25% marketshare isn’t going to fall into their lap – even if they meet their production targets.

ThereÂ’s no question though that SED is a fabulous technology, and demonstrates that this is a great time to be in the technology business. And itÂ’s a great time to be a technology consumer.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=492066&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

While Samsung's CES introduction of the Z102 was a highly public event, intended to generate all the excitement and publicity possible, Canon and Toshiba made the North American introduction of their Surface-conduction Electron-emitter Display (SED) as secret as a press event can be, with highly controlled attendance in a conference room in the far reaches of the Las Vegas Convention Center's South Hall, unmarked except for the room number.

The SED - a variation on the on the architecture of the field-emission display (FED) in which a surface-conduction electron emitter replaces the field emitter of the FED - was introduced by Canon at EuroDisplay '96 in Manchester, UK, and a 10-inch prototype was shown. There was considerable initial excitement but development issues, reportedly with display uniformity, resulted in the company soon adopting a low profile for the technology. Then, a joint venture with Toshiba was announced in September 2004 and formally established in October, with SED production being promised for 2005. The JV begins operation this month.

In the press demonstrations, a 36-inch, 1280x768-pixel demonstrator was shown in a theater-like arrangement side-by side with an TFT-LCD and PDP of comparable size. The power to each panel was continuously monitored and displayed on LED readouts. The presenter (a well-rehearsed actress) carefully pointed out the motion artifacts on the PDP and LCD as the same program material was simultaneously presented to each display.

It should be pointed out that demonstrations of this type must be approached very cautiously because all of the test variables - including ambient lighting, program material, set-up of the display parameters, even the choice of competing displays - can be selected to favor the featured display. Nonetheless, the demonstration was impressive, with the SED seemingly having blacker blacks and brighter whites at a power consumption that seemed to average about 60 percent that of the LCD. Motion artifacts were not visible from the middle of the seating area. The mostly night-time scenes had impressive depth, snap, and detail.

When asked about the past problems with uniformity across the display, a spokesman said, "We have a solution for non-uniformity, as you can see." Indeed, the SED images appeared to have good uniformity.

Another question from the audience asked if the 36-inch prototype was representative of the JV's first product. A spokesman said no; the first commercial product would be a 50-inch panel with 1080 lines.

http://www.sid.org/news/newsstory.html



FEDs will, basically, offer the holy grail of flat panel displays...

CRT blacks and shadow detail (they *are* CRTs and emmit no light at all on totally black images...something LCDs and Plasmas don't do)

Lighter and thinner than LCDs/Plasmas (2mm deep panel/7mm deep display)

No motion blur (1ms response rate)

1080p res out the gate

Power consumption a fraction of LCDs and Plasmas

>8000:1 contrast ratios




The downsides are they can potentially have phosper burn-in like a CRT (much better than plasmas though) and Toshiba is pricing them @ Plasma price points @ first....so say around 5 grand for the first gen 50 inch product...

Of course, Sony, LG, Matsushita, Samsung and Motorola have all publicly stated they are working on Nanotube FEDs so the Toshiba SED will have to fight it out in the marketplace with those products once they arrive (can you say price war?)

Should be fun to watch....both the TVs and the FED market :)
 
Kleegamefan said:
Impressions of the first generation of FEDs Toshiba/Canon's SED:



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=492066&perpage=20&pagenumber=2



http://www.sid.org/news/newsstory.html



FEDs will, basically, offer the holy grail of flat panel displays...

CRT blacks and shadow detail (they *are* CRTs and emmit no light at all on totally black images...something LCDs and Plasmas don't do)

Lighter and thinner than LCDs/Plasmas (2mm deep panel/7mm deep display)

No motion blur (1ms response rate)

1080p res out the gate

Power consumption a fraction of LCDs and Plasmas

>8000:1 contrast ratios




The downsides are they can potentially have phosper burn-in like a CRT (much better than plasmas though) and Toshiba is pricing them @ Plasma price points @ first....so say around 5 grand for the first gen 50 inch product...

Of course, Sony, LG, Matsushita, Samsung and Motorola have all publicly stated they are working on Nanotube FEDs so the Toshiba SED will have to fight it out in the marketplace with those products once they arrive (can you say price war?)

Should be fun to watch....both the TVs and the FED market :)

Dont rely on overly biased showings and impressions. Much of the stuff you point out are not true for plasmas and LCD's even today. What will happen when 2007 comes? :lol What happened to that nanotuble and intel crap ? Werent they suppossed to be in production soon?
 
Warrior said:
GrandPipe, you should have made sure your Plasma had HDMI input because at the moment HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will only pass a HD signal (720p or 1080i) over HDMI.
Had to double check for a moment there....
Input 3 AV Input, S-Video Input, Y' Pb' Pr' Input, HDMI input
 
Ghost of Bill Gates said:
Plasma is a proven technology, it's been around for a long time now. It has solid backing from Pioneer and Panasonic.. among others.

But the new tech displays is another story.. they have to prove their worth. some have already falling like LCOS..which was suppose to be the death of CRT, rear projection and Plasma.

I say get what you can now or you'll be spending the rest of your life waiting.

Plasma has been proven to be expensive as well, and it's still pretty damn pricey IMO.

I will bide my time.
 
Warrior said:
Why do you keep saying this? I'm sorry but JVC's and Sony's LCOS based (DLIA and SXRD.)

If you research you would know manufactures are dropping LCOS left and right or delaying their plans for LCOS all together.

Intel scraps launch of new LCOS TV screen technology
, 08.16.04, 10:11 AM ET

SAN FRANCISCO (AFX) - Intel Corp has scrapped the launch of technology it claimed would halve the cost of large-screen televisions before the end of this year, the Financial Times reported.

Samsung states,

"It seems like the technology and business case for LCOS is still not there," said David Steel, vice president of Samsung's digital media business,

http://news.com.com/Intel+delays+first+TV+chip/2100-1041_3-5311584.html?tag=nefd.top
 
Dr_Cogent said:
Plasma has been proven to be expensive as well, and it's still pretty damn pricey IMO.

I will bide my time.

Yep, the technology in Plasmas are only getting better, but if price is a concern to you and to most people it is.. I would go with a CRT rear projection over DLP.
 
I did it!!


After reading this thread, poking around at AVForums, and looking here and there......

I went and bought a...

Panasonic: TH-42PWD7UY

l_TH_42PWD7UY.jpg


Proffesional model (No tuner, No speakers[don't need em anyway, SS and Dish])

All in all it was 1895+200Ship +175 for Desktop stand.

Sweet deal.

I should get it delivered by Thursday or Friday
:) :) :)
 
Ghost of Bill Gates said:
Yep, the technology in Plasmas are only getting better, but if price is a concern to you and to most people it is.. I would go with a CRT rear projection over DLP.

I was always under the impression that DLP offers the best visual quality other than CRT.

I've never seen any high end videophiles use anything but DLP since its availability.
 
GrandPipe said:
This thread sucks. I thought it was goign to be _full_ of useful info.

I bought a plasma TV today, 50" pioneer (http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/home_entertainment/plasmadisplaypanel/pdp505hd/index.html)
Now, i'd like some opinion on Monster cables vs. Xbox HD AV pack/Sony PS2/Gamecube Component cables.
While i'm here, some discussion on component switch boxes and maybe some more on should i be concerned about HDMI right now.

Thanks and watching :D


Forget Monster Cable, just go with the cables you get in the Xbox HD pack and you'll be fine.
 
FYI,

EXCERPTED FROM:

Plasma Facts and Myths

WHITE PAPER

Plasma Facts and Myths
Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective
Commissioned by: Panasonic
November 2004


Plasma Break-In
Like a fine new automobile, the performance of a plasma TV can be optimized by allowing a break-in period. By properly following these simple break-in instructions, you should be rewarded with long-term enjoyment of your plasma TV.

Plasma phosphors are most susceptible to image retention in the first hundred hours of use. The panel becomes considerably less sensitive to burn-in after this period.

Very often, televisions, including plasma, are shipped from the factory with the contrast control at a high setting to provide a bright picture under typical dealer showroom lighting conditions. In your home, the room light levels are usually one half or less than that in retail showrooms. The contrast control may need to be lowered in your home for comfortable contrast levels that do not induce eye strain.

When the plasma is initially installed, videophiles say it is best to do the following:

Make sure the display is in a viewing mode (aspect ratio) that completely fills the screen (there are often three or more settings from which to choose). The panel is shipped in this condition, in what is called the “Just” mode.

Turn down the picture control (contrast) to 50% or less.

Briefly engage the 4:3 mode to confirm the side bars are set to mid-gray (there is usually an adjustment in the Set Up menu that takes the sidebars from black to gray) to minimize the chance of burn-in.

Return the set to a “full screen” (Just, Zoom, Full) position during the first hundred hours of use.

During the first hundred hours of use it is best not to view the same channel for extended periods. This should prevent channel logos and other fixed images found on some channels from being retained.

Avoid any static images (video games, computer images, DVD title screens, etc.) during the hundred-hour break-in.

After the hundred-hour break-in period, during the next nine-hundred hours:

Continue to retain the picture setting at 50% or less.

Limit the use of 4:3 aspect ratio mode (traditional picture size that does not fill the entire screen) to 15% of viewing time.

Limit the use of static images (computer, video games, etc.) to less than 10% of viewing time.

After one-thousand viewing hours, panels are much less likely to experience image burn-in.



So, following this advice from Panasonic, you'd be best served to wait 1000 hrs before doing any gaming unless it's 10% or less of your viewing time.
 
Yeah i recommend heed the advice. Bear in mind games vary however. Avoid racers when your tv is new for example.

Funny coming from panasonic since their plasmas are the toughest :lol

I wish i was Grandpipe when it comes to tv viewing. His Pioneer rocks hard.
 
CygnusXI said:
I did it!!


After reading this thread, poking around at AVForums, and looking here and there......

I went and bought a...

Panasonic: TH-42PWD7UY

l_TH_42PWD7UY.jpg


Proffesional model (No tuner, No speakers[don't need em anyway, SS and Dish])

All in all it was 1895+200Ship +175 for Desktop stand.

Sweet deal.

I should get it delivered by Thursday or Friday
:) :) :)


Nice! I have the 3 year old model TH-42PWD5UY and it still looks brand new :)
 
gohepcat said:
I was always under the impression that DLP offers the best visual quality other than CRT.

I've never seen any high end videophiles use anything but DLP since its availability.

Well for true blacks nothing can beat a CRT..and the life span of CRT guns on rear projection can last a life time.. also its cheaper than DLPs. DLPs are thinner though..a lot thinner.
 
HokieJoe said:
Forget Monster Cable, just go with the cables you get in the Xbox HD pack and you'll be fine.

No..any shielded cable is better than MS HDTV pack cables.. I don't know about the recently release Xbox HD pack though.. you can use xbox HD pack...just don't use the cables that come with.

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hdavpack.jpg


Those best buy video cables, but any cable with shielding and gold-plated is better than the cables that come with the MS HD-pack.. so you may find a better deal at Radio Shack.
 
Ghost of Bill Gates said:
Well for true blacks nothing can beat a CRT..and the life span of CRT guns on rear projection can last a life time.. also its cheaper than DLPs. DLPs are thinner though..a lot thinner.

You have the true blacks part right- nothing will outshine a CRT for true blacks. However, the guns on a CRT-based RPTV are not much different than a direct view CRT- they wear with age.


Ghost of Bill Gates said:
No..any shielded cable is better than MS HDTV pack cables.. I don't know about the recently release Xbox HD pack though.. you can use xbox HD pack...just don't use the cables that come with.

Well, the specs on the Xbox High Definition AV Pack reads

connects the console to most TVs with interlaced component video inputs including high definition ready TVs that support 480i and either 480p, 720p or 1080i component video signals.

To me, this would indicate that it has the requisite bandwidth necessary to display analog HD signals. Unless they're guilty of false advertising. ;-) I tried to find out what grade of cables they're using with no luck. Either RG-59, or RG-6 would be more than sufficient for a run of 6ft or less.

BTW, I concur on the Rat Shack suggestion. They use RG-6 cable and use 24K gold RCA connectors to terminate them. $29.99

Here's the link:

6-Ft Gold-Plated Component Video Cable
 
HokieJoe said:
You have the true blacks part right- nothing will outshine a CRT for true blacks. However, the guns on a CRT-based RPTV are not much different than a direct view CRT- they wear with age.

Comparing to a light bulb set, CRT last a long time..longer than you will want to keep it.


Well, the specs on the Xbox High Definition AV Pack reads

connects the console to most TVs with interlaced component video inputs including high definition ready TVs that support 480i and either 480p, 720p or 1080i component video signals.

To me, this would indicate that it has the requisite bandwidth necessary to display analog HD signals.

Just trust me! Test it out for yourself! I was one who didn't believe it either until I bought a set of shielded gold-plated cables. I was shocked out the color and detail deference between MS HD cables and store bought ones.
 
Ghost of Bill Gates said:
Comparing to a light bulb set, CRT last a long time..longer than you will want to keep it.

Oh yeah. Relative to any "bulb-based" display device, you'll get longer service out of a CRT device. However, if I change the bulb in a DLP set, essentially I have a brand new display. Some claim that LCD's "wear" because of heat-induced discoloration of the LCD panels and the polarizers. I'm not in a position to state the authenticity of such a claim; but I do know that has been a "reported" problem.


Ghost of Bill Gates said:
Just trust me! Test it out for yourself! I was one who didn't believe it either until I bought a set of shielded gold-plated cables. I was shocked out the color and detail deference between MS HD cables and store bought ones.

It would be a little hard for me to discern, since I'm running a 60" SD RPTV. On my setup, the standard Xbox HD pack looks fine, if a little dim in some games. The resolution is fine though.

I just bought the HD pack for the digital audio (DD5.1) and component outs, not for HD (at this time). I'll trust you on the HD side.

The only reason I made note of it, is because I run into people wondering if this expensive cable or that expensive cable will work better than plain old RG59 or RG6 terminated with good 75ohm RCA's. Generally, the answer is no, it won't make a hill of beans difference.
 
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