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Gay game?
- Thread starter Mihyaeru
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C- Warrior said:Denying this girl...
...puts...
...in the red category
I didn't think Ashly was hawt at all. She was too weird looking. Those freaking ears stuck out like crazy.
Did you ever take her up on a high ledge, jump down, kick away the ladder, then try looking up at her? LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOOLLOLLOLOLO ROFLLLMAOOOO!!!!
BTW, Krauser isn't dead. Beat Mercenaries with him and in the background, it's blurred, but you can see that building blowing up where he fought Leon. If you ask me the whole Mercenaries part of the game was really about him escaping the island before it blew up.
Larry Bird
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xaosslug
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Larry Bird said:
Dante is such an effing hot male character design. What did they do to him for the DMC4 teaser? He looks... not good.
Dr_Cogent said:
I bet when you hear the word "gay themed" anything you have horrific mental images of pumped up guys oiled down in leather, dancing to Donna Summer, gazing and groping on each other. lol
cybamerc said:
Wow, as insightful a read as that was, I must say... I've read some lameass arguments for and against stuff in my time, but yours takes the cake. Congratulations! But, I guess you can substantiate your hate with your ignorance.
But I must say that a lot of the stereotypes of gays straight people have gays perpetuate themselves.
Anyway, I'm suprised this hasn't been posted:
Coolest ambiguously gay character evah:
lol
krypt0nian
Banned
Not sure why all the girly boys have been posted. Most are meant in fun, it just goes to show how much we need to overcome, I suppose.
I'd say Sam Fisher looks like more of my boyfriends than what's been posted so far. Some of you really need to meet more gay people before forming opinions.
I'd say Sam Fisher looks like more of my boyfriends than what's been posted so far. Some of you really need to meet more gay people before forming opinions.
A couple of thoughts:
1) There have been very few games which integrate sexuality in any kind of mature or interesting way, straight or otherwise. Before you tackle the question of whether or not a game with overt gay themes would be critically acclaimed or commercially successful, I think you need to figure out the general problem of why sexuality in games hasn't been addressed well to this point.
2) The other "big picture" question to ask is this: Why would gender and/or sexuality matter in the vast majority of games? I'm still chuckling at the (don't read if you somehow missed Metroid over the past decade)
thing since it was absolutely irrelevant to the action in the game. I suspect that is true for most games, in fact. Would it matter in Doom if you were a space marine or a cross-dressing accountant? Would it matter if Mario was trying to save his boyfriend Luigi rather than Princess Peach? I don't think any of those details make a whit of different -- they are entirely superficial.
3) Although I would hope that a gamer would want to play a gay-themed game if it was good, I would understand and respect their decision to NOT play it if that was their choice. Tolerance does not mean that you have an obligation to seek out things that you don't like or don't agree with -- it means that you respect the rights of others to think and behave as they see fit.
1) There have been very few games which integrate sexuality in any kind of mature or interesting way, straight or otherwise. Before you tackle the question of whether or not a game with overt gay themes would be critically acclaimed or commercially successful, I think you need to figure out the general problem of why sexuality in games hasn't been addressed well to this point.
2) The other "big picture" question to ask is this: Why would gender and/or sexuality matter in the vast majority of games? I'm still chuckling at the (don't read if you somehow missed Metroid over the past decade)
"Samus Aran is a girl!?!?!"
3) Although I would hope that a gamer would want to play a gay-themed game if it was good, I would understand and respect their decision to NOT play it if that was their choice. Tolerance does not mean that you have an obligation to seek out things that you don't like or don't agree with -- it means that you respect the rights of others to think and behave as they see fit.
-jinx- said:
I'm not saying they have to play it, although if it was a great game I know some would. And some gamers are gay. The thing is NEW gamers would come because this would be a new type of game, one that would be the first catering to them. For example Nintendogs it's a NON-game and many gamers were saying they didn't care much for the Idea, did you see the sales? What happened? It brought in a different type of gamer because it was a different type of game.
I don't really expect to get any positive replies from close minded people here (not talking directly to anyone) I'm mostly looking for gay gamers and open minded gamers opinion anyway.
Mr_Furious
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So far you've done nothing to expand on what the appeal would be of a gay game. You mention Nintendogs and you know what, it's quite appealing because there's a HUGE segment of the population that either owns or loves dogs (or animals in general). Basically, I think -jinx- wraps up my opinion on this topic nicely. I think your blinded by your "close minded" agenda resulting in your incapacity in seeing it's a bad idea on many levels (both commercially and socially).
Mr_Furious said:
Socially?
Jinx's points related to quality and relevance..
It's no more bad an idea than books featuring gay characters, or movies featuring gay characters or whatever. Ultimately all that should matter to us is quality.
And i agree with Wyzdom's post, I was going to say the same thing earlier, but I was getting rambly, so I abandoned the post
Yeah, why are we so focused on what makes us different? We are all people when it comes down to it, so why try to place focus on our differences. If a game happens to have a gay character in it, ok - fine. But why go out of our way to try to make one that's specifically tailored towards that?
Mr_Furious said:
Yeah I'm close minded because I have hope of seeing my and 10% of my races sexuality represented in the games that I play... Your replies are the worst in this thread, you are trying to hard.
Wyzdom said:
Well you obviously didn't read my first post just the thread title.
Mihyaeru said:
Mihyaeru said:
Had you said species, there would have been no question at all. Race on the other hand is not very descriptive.
race1 Audio pronunciation of "race" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
Race has different meanings. When I read your post, it sounded like you were referring to your race as in the second definition above. Which led to the confusion. No need to come off with an attitude either. I asked an honest question, expecting an honest and non jerky answer.
Mihyaeru said:
What, leave just because I have a differing viewpoint than you do? If you just wanted a bunch of yes men/women in the thread, you should have said so in the first post. We are here to discuss and debate - and I believe that can take place without being abrasive in the process.
Ok, I understand you're pro-gaygame, but the fact is that what you desire already exists. There are many games that feature homosexual characters, be it obvious or otherwise. Most of these games do not print the fact that they have homosexual characters as a feature on the back of the box, so this fact might have eluded you. What you are probably asking for is a game that does what is already being done, but maybe to a larger extend and at the same time I think what you REALLY want is for that fact to be promoted and advertised. I am now going to explain why that is a silly and very wrong idea.
Say you have a game like Fallout, except instead of letting the player decide how to create his character and play the game, the one linear relationship path is that said character is male and homosexual. His only options would be to hit on the guy NPCs while the female NPCs would only have options like "Sorry lady, I don't swing that way." or "I already have my man, you would only be a third wheel babe!" or "That's a generous offer lady but I'm afraid I'll have to decline.". The game has a solid storyline, other excellent hetrosexual characters, and everything would be an A class production. The only difference would be that the lead character is a homosexual male.
Now, you take this game and could market it two ways. You could market it the traditional way, which would be to promote it as a RPG with tons of freedom in dialogue choices, multiple game paths, multiple endings and an excellent battle system. You would leave it up to the previews and reviews to casually mention that the game's writing is brave enough to integrate a gay lead and it is done well and tastefully. The game will still get slapped with a M17+ because of the gay theme and the game will go on to sell whatever it is it sells.
Or you could market it as THE WORLD'S FIRST GAY RPG! This will get it a shitload of media attention, and the gay community might or might not be in great support for this game depending on how "realistic" the homosexuality of the lead is protrayed in the game. There will be tons of analysis on this game, and parental groups might object and attempt to get the game banned. The game might or might not sell more than it would otherwise, but it's integraty will forever be tarnished. No matter how many awards it wins, no matter how highly praised it is by real gamers, the public opinion will forever be that it is "that gay RPG!".
As you can see, this is why most developers will shy away from the thought of a PRO-GAY game. Not because they are homophobic, no because the gay community is being marginalized, ignored or repressed. Simply because it attracts the wrong kind of attention. As already mentioned above its not like there are NO games that feature homosexual characters, but its just not a really good selling point as you are suggesting. Go ask the people on the street what they think of Brokeback Mountain and you'll see.
Say you have a game like Fallout, except instead of letting the player decide how to create his character and play the game, the one linear relationship path is that said character is male and homosexual. His only options would be to hit on the guy NPCs while the female NPCs would only have options like "Sorry lady, I don't swing that way." or "I already have my man, you would only be a third wheel babe!" or "That's a generous offer lady but I'm afraid I'll have to decline.". The game has a solid storyline, other excellent hetrosexual characters, and everything would be an A class production. The only difference would be that the lead character is a homosexual male.
Now, you take this game and could market it two ways. You could market it the traditional way, which would be to promote it as a RPG with tons of freedom in dialogue choices, multiple game paths, multiple endings and an excellent battle system. You would leave it up to the previews and reviews to casually mention that the game's writing is brave enough to integrate a gay lead and it is done well and tastefully. The game will still get slapped with a M17+ because of the gay theme and the game will go on to sell whatever it is it sells.
Or you could market it as THE WORLD'S FIRST GAY RPG! This will get it a shitload of media attention, and the gay community might or might not be in great support for this game depending on how "realistic" the homosexuality of the lead is protrayed in the game. There will be tons of analysis on this game, and parental groups might object and attempt to get the game banned. The game might or might not sell more than it would otherwise, but it's integraty will forever be tarnished. No matter how many awards it wins, no matter how highly praised it is by real gamers, the public opinion will forever be that it is "that gay RPG!".
As you can see, this is why most developers will shy away from the thought of a PRO-GAY game. Not because they are homophobic, no because the gay community is being marginalized, ignored or repressed. Simply because it attracts the wrong kind of attention. As already mentioned above its not like there are NO games that feature homosexual characters, but its just not a really good selling point as you are suggesting. Go ask the people on the street what they think of Brokeback Mountain and you'll see.
duckroll said:Ok, I understand you're pro-gaygame, but the fact is that what you desire already exists. There are many games that feature homosexual characters, be it obvious or otherwise. Most of these games do not print the fact that they have homosexual characters as a feature on the back of the box, so this fact might have eluded you. What you are probably asking for is a game that does what is already being done, but maybe to a larger extend and at the same time I think what you REALLY want is for that fact to be promoted and advertised. I am now going to explain why that is a silly and very wrong idea.
Say you have a game like Fallout, except instead of letting the player decide how to create his character and play the game, the one linear relationship path is that said character is male and homosexual. His only options would be to hit on the guy NPCs while the female NPCs would only have options like "Sorry lady, I don't swing that way." or "I already have my man, you would only be a third wheel babe!" or "That's a generous offer lady but I'm afraid I'll have to decline.". The game has a solid storyline, other excellent hetrosexual characters, and everything would be an A class production. The only difference would be that the lead character is a homosexual male.
Now, you take this game and could market it two ways. You could market it the traditional way, which would be to promote it as a RPG with tons of freedom in dialogue choices, multiple game paths, multiple endings and an excellent battle system. You would leave it up to the previews and reviews to casually mention that the game's writing is brave enough to integrate a gay lead and it is done well and tastefully. The game will still get slapped with a M17+ because of the gay theme and the game will go on to sell whatever it is it sells.
Or you could market it as THE WORLD'S FIRST GAY RPG! This will get it a shitload of media attention, and the gay community might or might not be in great support for this game depending on how "realistic" the homosexuality of the lead is protrayed in the game. There will be tons of analysis on this game, and parental groups might object and attempt to get the game banned. The game might or might not sell more than it would otherwise, but it's integraty will forever be tarnished. No matter how many awards it wins, no matter how highly praised it is by real gamers, the public opinion will forever be that it is "that gay RPG!".
As you can see, this is why most developers will shy away from the thought of a PRO-GAY game. Not because they are homophobic, no because the gay community is being marginalized, ignored or repressed. Simply because it attracts the wrong kind of attention. As already mentioned above its not like there are NO games that feature homosexual characters, but its just not a really good selling point as you are suggesting. Go ask the people on the street what they think of Brokeback Mountain and you'll see.
Brokeback mountian did well and most of my friends (not gay) saw it and loved it (I live in California BTW) But I like the Idea of there being the "option" as I already said, which is why I gave credit to Jade Empire I would love to see more games like this. I, again as I have said before am not looking for just and ALL gay game. I'd rather have a gay positive game and what your talking about is gay positive because it gives the option and I think that's great. I actually think it's better than the option to be gay only.
Lufiaddict
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necrogoldo
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Mihyaeru said:
Brokeback Mountain definitely did well, but my point is that it will always be known to the mass public as "that gay cowboy film". It's a stigma that Ang Lee can live with because he's an arthouse director. But I think you can understand why a producer of something higher budget and more mainstream targeted would want to flat out avoid that stigma.
As you say, Jade Empire gives you that option, so do other games (Fallout, Fallout 2, Persona 2 Innocent Sin, Fable), but you shouldn't ever expect it as a standard. No offense, but as gamers looking forward to more open-ended games with more NON-HOMOSEXUAL choices, we're already shit out of luck. Do you really expect developers to find it easier to add open-ended HOMOSEXUAL choices too?
Most open-ended PC PRGs these days do offer that choice, simply because they offer TONS of choices. But when you're limited for choice as much games are, it would be easier to cater to the masses wouldn't it? Most gamers would rather there be ONE pretty girl if there's no choice at all, rather than ONE handsome guy. I don't know but that's some food for thought.
Mihyaeru said:
I understand the quote you reminded us. I read it quick the first time fair enough.
But you trigerred a big wave of gayness in the thread dude.
Having a character that is gay in a game or wishing for some sure don't make those games "gay themed". It the way you said it that lead all the misunderstandings.
SatelliteOfLove
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Don't care, as long as it ain't prostelytising.
cicero
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I love how you consistently use "open-minded" only to describe gamers with views that agree with your own. But you are mostly looking for gay gamers, like yourself, or gamers who agree with your opinions? May I ask why responses to a thread like this in a gaming forum should be expected to be limited to this? If you basically only wanted to hear supportive opinions and views, then why not take the time to go and make your own website that would attract like-minded people?Mihyaeru said:
Funny how you say that, supposedly to no one in particular, right after failing to respond to the majority of jinx's questions. I think his post was quite "open-minded", and your response is merely an implied insinuation which infers that his reply wasn't "positive" and that he is "close-minded". Despite your claims to the contrary, what else can one assume given your inadequate response to his numerous questions, and the fact that you specifically made those comments at the end of your inadequate response.
LiquidMamba
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I wouldn't mind to see a gay relationship in a game, or any serious relationship in a game for that matter.
Instead of the game having the tired "rescue the girl you secretly love" (Or guy in this case) plotline, instead the characters are already in a serious and mature relationship?
Instead of the game having the tired "rescue the girl you secretly love" (Or guy in this case) plotline, instead the characters are already in a serious and mature relationship?
xaosslug
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Dr_Cogent said:
That's the impression that I get. ::shrug:: I mean, you're fighting hard against Mihyaeru's topic, but I have yet to see any kind of groovy reasoning as to why. Seems like you're arguing against Mihyaeru for the sake of it. I really don't even understand why you're in this topic at all, except to argue semantics. Whatever, dude.
cicero said:
Whatever, dude.
cicero said:
I WASN'T talking to jinx spacifically and that's why I made a point to say that, so he knew that. & I said I wanted to hear open minded and gay people but those people my not have supportive opinions and views. I would just rather hear a disagreement from a person that has actually considered my idea, which I think is understandable. Kind of like people who are pro free speech but not if your point is taking away another persons free speach, know what I mean? But I didn't say anyone cant post in here.
The only game I can think of with a significant gay character in a heroic role was Deep Fear, but the voice acting and characters really brought it down. The "actor" they had playing Dubois, the gay character, was a really, really lame flame. Check it out for yourself: ->Deep Fear dialogue<-.
That aside, the rest of the acting is so awful, it's fantastic. Hard to believe it went out the door and into stores.
cicero
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You trolled him with an ad hominem straw man, pure and simple. He hasn't even remotely stated or implied anything like what you "fixed" his comments to be.xaosslug said:
People have considered your idea, and some have rejected it to some degree. You imply that they are close-minded merely because they pose differing views or ask pointed questions which may disagree with your opinions. Did YOU display an "open-mind" when you rejected, seemingly out of hand, the comments by jinx without considering and acknowledging them?Mihyaeru said:
"pro opinion"?? I call him a troll because he so obviously did troll. He "fixed" the comments of someone who he disagreed with to fit some pre-conceived "impression" he had about the "real" supposed basis of Dr_Cogent's comments. Did Dr_Cogent specifically state "I do think their lifestyle is WRONG, and hope they have fun in BURNING up in HELL."??? Where exactly did he do this???Mihyaeru said: