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Genshin Impact |OT| 5.0 (Natlan) - Everything Changed When the Fire Nation Arrived

Pejo

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The new archon quest short or is it just me?
Yes and I mentioned in an earlier post, it essentially left us back at the very beginning before the quest even happened (as the traveler). At least we (the player) know some more stuff now, but it was possibly a negative total quest progress, since we lost the eye of the first tiller that other quests spent time procuring and protecting.

It was a fun little side story but if we're not getting another Dain quest for 6-12 months, it was a huge disappointment.
 
Haven't played any quests yet, but the flagship event for this one is really short and simplistic too. Despite all the characters, it still feels like a filler update. Those characters are probably a bit undercooked too.

According to first impressions, the new temporary area for 4.8 sucks too. Looks like we're in for a rough couple of months until Natlan releases.

I have ventured into the area released in 4.6 though, and what stuck out to me is how you don't have to equip annoying items or pick up objects in the world to engage with area-specific mechanics. Not sure if they've done this before, but it's a good thing regardless.
 
WuWa question:

What is the icon/symbol above the ping on the top rightmost (like a bullseye)? It has that red mark and I don't know what to do to remove it.
 

Pejo

Member
WuWa question:

What is the icon/symbol above the ping on the top rightmost (like a bullseye)? It has that red mark and I don't know what to do to remove it.
That just means somewhere in your pause menu you have an unresolved notification. Could be inventory/event/quest/etc. When you get any type of "selector" item, it lights up your backpack, so check there if it's not obvious.
 

Pejo

Member
So who's running the odds here, Chev on first banner, second banner, or skipped again?

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If I were them, I'd just save her until Natlan. But knowing MHY, I assume they'll just throw her on some nonsensical banner and call it a day.

Gotta say Navia/Nilou sounds like a really appealing weapon banner. I might go for that.
 

Pejo

Member
If I were them, I'd just save her until Natlan. But knowing MHY, I assume they'll just throw her on some nonsensical banner and call it a day.

Gotta say Navia/Nilou sounds like a really appealing weapon banner. I might go for that.
Nilou's sword is BiS for quite a few characters now, and we only have a single HP% 4* sword, so it's a good pickup. Navia's axe is definitely one of the more aesthetically pleasing weapons, so I get it. I'm still waiting for better Emilie previews, but otherwise I'm not touching my stash until Natlan.

Ok Genshin GAF, what think you of a more Melusine Sige? I like it quite a bit more than the generic kid with gooey antlers.
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Man if Navia is rerunning I might go for her.
She’s one of the few characters left I would really like. That said, I have literally no other Geo characters other then Geo traveler and Ning lol oh I guess Noelle too. I hear she needs a bunch of support to function well, how true is that?
 

Pejo

Member
Man if Navia is rerunning I might go for her.
She’s one of the few characters left I would really like. That said, I have literally no other Geo characters other then Geo traveler and Ning lol oh I guess Noelle too. I hear she needs a bunch of support to function well, how true is that?
Just somebody that can cause Crystallize really. I use Zhongli with her for various reasons. My go to team is Navia/Fischl/Kokomi/Zhongli because it makes lots of crystals and has high elemental off-field uptime. She's pretty great even on her own with a Hydro/Pyro/Electro charcter though. One of the easiest characters to play in years.
 
Just somebody that can cause Crystallize really. I use Zhongli with her for various reasons. My go to team is Navia/Fischl/Kokomi/Zhongli because it makes lots of crystals and has high elemental off-field uptime. She's pretty great even on her own with a Hydro/Pyro/Electro charcter though. One of the easiest characters to play in years.
I really like playing her in the various trials and events, I’m a fan for sure. I was just worried because I don’t have all her usual partners.

Is it crystallize specifically, or just a shield? Like could Thoma, Kirara, Layla work? Not sure the difference, and I know almost nothing about geo as I’ve largely ignored it the entire time Ive played 😅

Edit. Also keep in mind I won’t have her weapon either.
 
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Pejo

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I really like playing her in the various trials and events, I’m a fan for sure. I was just worried because I don’t have all her usual partners.

Is it crystallize specifically, or just a shield? Like could Thoma, Kirara, Layla work? Not sure the difference, and I know almost nothing about geo as I’ve largely ignored it the entire time Ive played 😅
Crystallize crystals become her "bullets" to boost her skill damage. So the more of them you collect or suck up while holding the skill button, the bigger the damage numbers, which make monkey brain happy.

Strictly speaking you don't need a 2nd Geo applicator, but it feels a lot smoother when she's not the only one creating her crystals due to internal cooldowns of reactions and her short imbue duration. I wouldn't use Kirara but one of the other two are probably fine. I don't think she even really needs a shielder since she fries most enemies in a shot or two + a few whacks. A thing you have to be mindful of is having reactions that erase the elemental application like how Pyro+Hydro creates vape and then removes both elements from the enemies. That will reduce her ability to make crystals and thus her damage. That's why I like Electro charged, since the Hydro will remain even after the reaction occurs.
 
Ohhh and electro charged will work nicely for me
Raiden and Kokomi, Navia and… extra spot? Fischl? Yelan? Hmmm if that could work, I could be interested hahahaha
would be nice to fill the Geo gap in my account too. 🤔
 

Pejo

Member
Ohhh and electro charged will work nicely for me
Raiden and Kokomi, Navia and… extra spot? Fischl? Yelan? Hmmm if that could work, I could be interested hahahaha
would be nice to fill the Geo gap in my account too. 🤔
If you want to keep that theme and use a kinda/sorta shielder and add to damage, you could always go EoSF ER build Beidou for her Electro Shield+nice damage bonus. I might try that team out myself, sounds interesting.

Anyways, Star Rail bros - you pulling on Firefly tomorrow? I've got her pre-farmed and enough to hit pity once, hopefully I win the 50/50.

New Luofu arc is coming up (which I'm not excited about in the least) but the new characters look good at least.
Looks like she'll be getting her new Eidolons for free in the event/patch.



 
I have enough to pull for FF, but I don’t have any other break team members. And because of my pulling sprees recently, even though I got very lucky, I don’t have enough atm to 100% guarantee her if I lose the 50/50.

I love the design and may go for her regardless, but I was also thinking of saving for Jade just because I hear she’s a FUA character.

Actually took my FUA team into SU for the first time yesterday. Even with Robin and Topaz not fully maxed out, them plus Ratio and Luocha absolutely decimated World 3 (farming fleet of the ageless) and my clear time seemed faster then with Nihility. Stacking elation buffs is too good. Topaz even at E0S0 is a beast.
 
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Pejo

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I found this recently and it's now canon to me.


Wasn't expecting that twist lmao.

WuWa patch notes for 1.1 has some decent improvements:
  1. All blue and purple tuners can now be converted into gold tuners.
  2. Unlocking new Echo entries will give extra Union EXP, and for us players who have already unlocked every Echo in the game, we will receive the extra experience points via in-game mail.
  3. Reaching 100 Guidebook Activity Points gives us Echoes from a wide pool, which will now be reduced to only include 3 cost Echoes and 4 cost Echoes.
  4. Version 1.1 will increase the maximum Databank level to 21, which will also increase the Echo drop rarity to 100% golden. Meaning, no more purple Echoes.
  5. The Tacet Field reward animation will be entirely removed from the game.
  6. Echo leveling will have a lowered Shell Credit cost.
  7. The Cruisewing overworld challenge will now be simplified come Version 1.1
  8. Every character will have tags associated with them to help differentiate their roles and abilities from other characters.
  9. There are new controller mode optimizations.
 

Pejo

Member
Won the 50/50 and got Firefly at around 80 something pulls. Not enough left to go for the Light Cone, but the more I look, the 4* Forgotten Hall cone isn't bad for her. I had all of the mats pre-farmed except obviously her signature relics. Even with just the fire set and the talia set, she's doing respectable numbers with Harmony Trailblazer. Her kit is pretty straightforward and strong, I'm pretty satisfied. It's caused me to do a major shakeup of my teams though, because just like Genshin, I don't like to use the same character in multiple teams. For now I'm running Harmony TB/Firefly/Tingyun/Natasha. I could definitely get more damage and better synergy if I moved Ruan Mei and Gallagher out of their respective teams, but fuck meta. Plus Ruan Mei is the only thing keeping my Himeko team relevant.

I kinda wish they'd move to 5 member parties. It'd be a whole lot more interesting for team comps

That Mortefi guy in WuWa is super strong for a 4*. He is matching or sometimes exceeding my 5* characters in dealing damage.
Reminds me of when the big tiddie 4* girl (Taoqi or whatever) was broken for a week or so because her 45% damage buff worked for the whole party instead of just herself as intended.
 
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Star Rail:
I said F it and drained my resources on RM lol
Now just throwing whatever I get at FF and let the chips fall where they may already lost a 50/50 to Bronya

I have so many characters to build up now I don’t really want to play 😅
 

deanote666

Member
The new event is terrible.

Either make a Mario or bullet hell level. Don't do both at the same time.

They made it so you can completely ignore the bullets and focus on just getting coins.
 

Pejo

Member
The new event is terrible.

Either make a Mario or bullet hell level. Don't do both at the same time.

They made it so you can completely ignore the bullets and focus on just getting coins.
These are some of my most used characters so it was a walk in the park for me. Got "pink" medals on all stages except Chiori. But yea it was obviously a low effort event.
 

Pejo

Member
I just can't enjoy Genshin after playing WuWa for 2 weeks. The combat and QoL features just make Genshin feel like a massive downgrade to play.
I kinda agree. Wuthering Waves has a lot to improve but it's made the gameplay of Genshin feel very flat. I'm really wishing that WW would allow 4 character parties though, that's the only thing I don't care for, being limited to 3. Wonder if it's a RAM issue and they're worried about low end devices or something?

Anyways, one-and-done web event for 40 primos + garbage for Sige.
Sigewinne's web event is now available! Take part to obtain Primogems~ https://hoyo.link/9RXjFBAL
 

Pejo

Member
Wtf, why?
Can’t they just create more characters and skins lol, why do they need a reactor? Lmfao
Who knows. They do actually do quite a bit of charitable donations and stuff which I think is cool. You know, the kind of stuff you can only afford to do if you're filthy rich.

So new Pyro Archon design leak interpretation. Now we're the musketeers I guess?
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They know everyone wants an Amazonian war goddess, and they're still pissing around with this garbage.
 

Pejo

Member
It's leaps better than the previous design
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Is she not dressed like a circus clown, yes. At least that much I can agree with. But it doesn't give me the feeling of a powerful archon of war and I hate these overly frilly designs with lots of stupid accessories.

I hate that they said that they wanted to avoid direct references to real world stuff while they're making Genshin but then they go and do conquistadors, some of the worst people in history, and pretty much every real life Chinese holiday/cultural event.

They should have just been honest and said that their daddy government wouldn't let them do swimsuits and halloween costumes.
 
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Is she not dressed like a circus clown, yes. At least that much I can agree with. But it doesn't give me the feeling of a powerful archon of war and I hate these overly frilly designs with lots of stupid accessories.

I hate that they said that they wanted to avoid direct references to real world stuff while they're making Genshin but then they go and do conquistadors, some of the worst people in history, and pretty much every real life Chinese holiday/cultural event.

They should have just been honest and said that their daddy government wouldn't let them do swimsuits and halloween costumes.
She looks more like a musketeer to me. And we already have multiple of those. But the concept of conquistador is much, much better than a samba bullfighter/dancer/whatever because this is at least something of a warrior. She would need to wear a morion and breastplate to complete the Tercio look, but that could still happen (they will never do this).

So many of the designs in this game suck, that I'm not surprised or even disappointed anymore. Maybe the Pyro Sovereign will be good. Or the Electro dragon. Or whoever else they come up with. Archons aren't the end all be all anymore. Furina hardly featured in her own AQ and didn't even get a second quest. If Hoyo don't care, why should I?

Your complaints are valid, but they haven't kept to their own rules and standards from the start.
 

Pejo

Member
She looks more like a musketeer to me. And we already have multiple of those. But the concept of conquistador is much, much better than a samba bullfighter/dancer/whatever because this is at least something of a warrior. She would need to wear a morion and breastplate to complete the Tercio look, but that could still happen (they will never do this).
They already had the helmet in that event splash screen last patch, so I'd assume they're the "millelith" of Natlan, at least for one of the factions.
So many of the designs in this game suck, that I'm not surprised or even disappointed anymore. Maybe the Pyro Sovereign will be good. Or the Electro dragon. Or whoever else they come up with. Archons aren't the end all be all anymore. Furina hardly featured in her own AQ and didn't even get a second quest. If Hoyo don't care, why should I?
Yea you're right. And since 'my friend' started modding, the base designs basically don't matter at all. I'm just a super fan of Himeko from Honkai Impact 3 and allegedly the Natlan Archon was supposed to be her 'version' in Genshin, so I really wanted something good for her. Especially since they did her dirty in their other games, usually killing her or making her playable versions so bad that nobody wants to use them. An androgynous musketeer wasn't on my short list of favorite archetypes, so watching these various design leaks has been extra painful.
Your complaints are valid, but they haven't kept to their own rules and standards from the start.
Yea, just frustrated with their inconsistencies and design direction for pretty much all of 4.x patches. WuWa's designs have been a breath of fresh air in most cases.

Anyways, here's Sige's demo video. They obviously understand the vibe and OST for what a summer patch should be, but they still won't ever give us a proper summer event


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Just hit Union Rank 45 in Wuthering Waves, picked the Sword as my free 5* selector weapon for Rover/future Sword characters. Pretty noticeable improvement already on the damage front, but he still does nowhere near the amount that my Yinlin does. Still pretty good for a free character though.
 
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Nankatsu

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So basically Wuwa 1.1 is Dragonspine? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

New area looks cool, but I can't shake the similarity.

Already reached Databank 20, but I'm still behind on Union leve, only 37.
 
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I'm just a super fan of Himeko from Honkai Impact 3 and allegedly the Natlan Archon was supposed to be her 'version' in Genshin, so I really wanted something good for her
I read that this was just a re-draw of that original samba design, so who knows how accurate it really is. I hope it turns out completely different.

Anyways, here's Sige's demo video. They obviously understand the vibe and OST for what a summer patch should be, but they still won't ever give us a proper summer event
Wow, the first Sige related content that doesn't constantly jerk off Neuvi. A Christmas miracle come early. Now if only her kit didn't suck.
 

Pejo

Member
So basically Wuwa 1.1 is Dragonspine? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

New area looks cool, but I can't shake the similarity.

Already reached Databank 20, but I'm still behind on Union leve, only 37.
1.1 has some good changes, namely if you're Databank 20 (or 21, I can't remember - they're adding a new level) then you are 100% guaranteed to get a gold echo drop if an echo drops. Some other nice QoL fixes too.

I'm rolling for Jinhsi but I'm really excited for that pink haired big tiddie girl in the 2nd half. Her moveset is pretty crazy.
 

Nankatsu

Member
1.1 has some good changes, namely if you're Databank 20 (or 21, I can't remember - they're adding a new level) then you are 100% guaranteed to get a gold echo drop if an echo drops. Some other nice QoL fixes too.

I'm rolling for Jinhsi but I'm really excited for that pink haired big tiddie girl in the 2nd half. Her moveset is pretty crazy.

I think I won't roll for anyone on 1.1, unless I really like the characters moveset in terms of gameplay flow.

I gotta tweak Jiyan and Yinlin, and also build Calcharo, Verina and Jinxin. I'm packed with characters to build.

Plus, I prefer going for Scar boy, which potentially could come on 1.2.
 
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Pejo

Member
I read that this was just a re-draw of that original samba design, so who knows how accurate it really is. I hope it turns out completely different.
The only solace it gives me is that the design is fluid or at least there are multiple options. Here's hoping there's an actual good one in the mix too.
Wow, the first Sige related content that doesn't constantly jerk off Neuvi. A Christmas miracle come early. Now if only her kit didn't suck.
I laughed when I read this because somebody on reddit found 2 frames of Neuvi/Wrio standing far off in the background together in the trailer and spazzed out about it.

Anyways, this sure is a choice on how to do the level 100 uncap:
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I think I’m slowly checking out of Genshin/Star Rail, not going to uninstall or anything, but ya, the last couple months my interest has just been waining and I feel like I’ve gotten more then I could have asked for out of those games. It’s been a great year (well technically July 5th would be 1 year for Genshin) but there’s just too much good stuff right now and summer is in full swing.

I will likely still play and come back for major events and patches, but I think I won’t be logging in every day anymore as often.

Long live Inazuma and the Raiden Shogun!
 
Anyways, this sure is a choice on how to do the level 100 uncap:
At least you won't have to spend 500 exp books and 8000 resin farming bosses again.

If you don't do end-game content, you probably wouldn't care about lvl 100 anyway. The other option would be to distribute them through events and such, like they do crowns. That'd be boring.
 

Pejo

Member
At least you won't have to spend 500 exp books and 8000 resin farming bosses again.

If you don't do end-game content, you probably wouldn't care about lvl 100 anyway. The other option would be to distribute them through events and such, like they do crowns. That'd be boring.
Yea this makes me a bit worried that they're not doing new passives after all. If it's just a stat gain I'll be really disappointed.
 
Yea this makes me a bit worried that they're not doing new passives after all. If it's just a stat gain I'll be really disappointed.
Probably best to expect less than the bare minimum. At least you guys have other gachas to distract yourself with. I'm stuck on this one!
 

jonnyXx

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Anyways, this sure is a choice on how to do the level 100 uncap:
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So we can only level 4 characters per abyss cycle then. Even so I don't believe for a second that it will be that easy, you dont even need resin.

If it's this easy then ain't no way we're getting new ascension talents. And transformative reactions scaling is being capped otherwise hyperbloom will rule supreme. Or maybe they only cap hyperbloom, the rest could use the buff.
 

Pejo

Member
WuWa 1.1 Trailer:



They really need to improve the overworld music and the braindead puzzles.

Some cool stuff. I'm glad we're getting new echoes each patch, but it's such a bummer that the 4 cost ones are typically always gonna be your "main" slot skill due to the passive buffs they give. I think it was fundamentally a mistake to make them like that. It'd be way cooler if you could pick based on the active skill without gimping yourself.

Doesn't seem to be a a cold mechanic for WuWa Dragonspine, so no worries about standing near fireplaces and stuff.
Probably best to expect less than the bare minimum. At least you guys have other gachas to distract yourself with. I'm stuck on this one!
We'll see, if Natlan is us spending most of our exploration time as the pokemon creatures I might drop Genshin for good and just come back when the story is finished to see how it plays out. It's not like their new character designs are wowing me. The gameplay is stale, the events are typical "end of version" recycled low effort stuff, the 4* event rewards have been pretty middling for a while now. It's a pretty safe time to take a break. I'd really like to see ZZZ flop hard for them so they can't just keep getting away with putting their logo on it and having it print money for them.
So we can only level 4 characters per abyss cycle then. Even so I don't believe for a second that it will be that easy, you dont even need resin.

If it's this easy then ain't no way we're getting new ascension talents. And transformative reactions scaling is being capped otherwise hyperbloom will rule supreme. Or maybe they only cap hyperbloom, the rest could use the buff.
We don't even know how the stats will scale at 100. Maybe it won't even give any stats, just some cosmetic glow or something. If they're not doing new passives for underpowered characters, I'm uninterested in the whole thing. I already don't min/max my characters, and adding another 200 atk won't be enough to get me to reliably play Abyss since I don't even load into it usually now. Level 100 should look like a big opportunity for them to ignite some excitement into the game, do some big changes or a whole new character growth mechanic. If it's just "get 3* and get an item", that's a huge missed opportunity.
Unless Sige does something new, exciting, I'm probably skipping.

Does she do enough heals, hydro application to replace kokomi?
Regardless of any of that you're depending on the auto targeting feature of the bouncing bubble to actually hit something in a reasonable amount of time, so I'd say Kokomi is more consistent at any rate, even if you have to stand in the circle. Probably best to play the trial a few times to see if it's something you want. It looks like she only applies bond of life to herself based on the wording of the kit, but I'm curious about that part myself. Her Burst seems to be purely for damage, which makes little sense to me.
 
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