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Gizmodo gets its hands on the new iPhone prototype

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http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/28/technology/verizon_iphone/index.htm

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- It's that time of year again: The weather is getting warmer, Apple's annual Worldwide Developers Conference is just around the corner, and rumors about the iPhone coming to Verizon are sprouting up.

Don't believe it, Verizon fans. It's unlikely that Steve Jobs will announce a Verizon tie-up when he gets on stage at the WWDC event on June 7.

Secondly, Verizon is set to roll out its 4G network later this year, and AT&T will unveil its 4G network in 2011. Those networks will be on a new universal, global standard called LTE, making a 4G/LTE iPhone much more cost-effective for Apple and easier to sell around the world. That would make next year or even 2012 a more likely timeframe for debuting a Verizon iPhone.

And suppliers haven't given any indication that Apple is building a CDMA phone, according to Jagdish Rebello, principal analyst of communication systems at iSuppli.
AT&T's exclusivity contract

Apple has a five-year exclusivity deal with AT&T (T, Fortune 500), according to court documents, making it unlikely that the iPhone could come to Verizon before 2012.

Many analysts said nothing is set in stone and speculated that the terms could have been renegotiated.

"No one has a good handle on how long that exclusivity deal runs, but those contracts usually last 90 days to six months," said Josh King, general counsel at Avvo.com and former senior corporate development executive at AT&T Wireless.

But one big indication that AT&T's contract will continue for a while is its sweet 3G pricing deal for the iPad.

AT&T offers unlimited 3G access for the iPad on a contract-free basis for an average of about $22 a month. Because those sales only account for 15% of AT&T's data revenue, according to data tracker Trefis, it may be part of a bigger strategy.
 
RubxQub said:
That's pretty anti-developer of you! :D

What about the poor app creators that already provide this functionality for basically nothing (like 5 bucks)? Apple implementing this themselves really isn't a need at this point, as what you're talking about already exists and pretty established fashion.

Orb, Stream2Me, AirVideo...all do this now and pretty darn well.

Apple's intention isn't to replace those services for everyone, but to provide extra incentive to buy from them and "reward" those people by giving them an added plus of remote streaming.

...either way, this is all just speculation. Who knows what they've really go up their sleeve.

Who knows what they are going to do, but you could certainly argue that getting new customers into the iTunes Store due to this feature is substantially more important than just getting an extra 5 bucks a month from existing customers.

Increase marketshare, increase potential for substantially more profit.

We'll see.


Oh I know, but in the end Apple wants to make more money like any corporation. So i foresee a pay-per-listen model coming, or a pay-per-month and you get to listen to as many songs as you can for that month. There's definitely gonna be a cash grab in here for Apple somewhere. I won't be signing up. :lol
 
Manics said:
Oh I know, but in the end Apple wants to make more money like any corporation. So i foresee a pay-per-listen model coming, or a pay-per-month and you get to listen to as many songs as you can for that month. There's definitely gonna be a cash grab in here for Apple somewhere. I won't be signing up. :lol
It's funny, I actually hadn't even considered that this could be the shift to a "stream as much as you want" type system instead of just streaming existing purchases.

Regardless, I want Apple to start thinking about streaming, damnit!
 
RubxQub said:
That's pretty anti-developer of you! :D

What about the poor app creators that already provide this functionality for basically nothing (like 5 bucks)? Apple implementing this themselves really isn't a need at this point, as what you're talking about already exists and pretty established fashion.

Orb, Stream2Me, AirVideo...all do this now and pretty darn well.

Apple's intention isn't to replace those services for everyone, but to provide extra incentive to buy from them and "reward" those people by giving them an added plus of remote streaming.

...either way, this is all just speculation. Who knows what they've really go up their sleeve.


just as a devil's advocate POV, Apple has a history of replacing 3rd party solutions with built in features without much regard to the original utilities. mac OS X has a long history of this.

that said, no, I don't think they'll have cloud streaming for all your non-iTunes music.

i think cloud streaming of all itunes movies and tv shows would be shit hot. it's a lot tougher to find space on a portable device for 2 GB movies than 8 MB songs.
 
LCfiner said:
just as a devil's advocate POV, Apple has a history of replacing 3rd party solutions with built in features without much regard to the original utilities. mac OS X has a long history of this.

that said, no, I don't think they'll have cloud streaming for all your non-iTunes music.

i think cloud streaming of all itunes movies and tv shows would be shit hot. it's a lot tougher to find space on a portable device for 2 GB movies than 8 MB songs.
I'm with you. I'm not saying that Apple wouldn't do it, just having a bit of fun with the thought of wanting Apple to do it instead of utilizing existing solutions and how that usually rubs people.

Movie streaming is my number 1 wanted feature of this, as I can currently fit all of my music on my devices...but have something like over 500GBs of iTunes purchased movies/TV shows that I have to pick and choose.
 
I kinda hope that Apple includes a bluetooth tethering option from iPhone to iPad in OS 4, even if it's the same extra plan cost to use as the iPad 3G has.

But I know they won't, because Steve said no iPad tethering. :(
 
Chorazin said:
I kinda hope that Apple includes a bluetooth tethering option from iPhone to iPad in OS 4, even if it's the same extra plan cost to use as the iPad 3G has.

But I know they won't, because Steve said no iPad tethering. :(
Jailbreak lets you do wonderous things.
 
Chorazin said:
I kinda hope that Apple includes a bluetooth tethering option from iPhone to iPad in OS 4, even if it's the same extra plan cost to use as the iPad 3G has.

But I know they won't, because Steve said no iPad tethering. :(

Couldn't they just supply a solution to setup your iPhone as a wireless hotspot?
 
They could. But they won't. Although it's more likely now, since Android does it. But, your phone is perfectly capable of it. I refer you to the post just above yours.
 
Weird that Apple would be so extreme in pixel density on the iphone after being mediocre on pixel density in their laptops. I guess the marginal cost of higher density might be lower on a smaller screen, though.
 
Odious Tea said:
So you wanna pay for the same solution and the same battery rapage?
An optimized solution would most likely incur less of a rape of thue battery. Tethering through Bluetooth instead of wifi would most likely be much better.
 
Chorazin said:
An optimized solution would most likely incur less of a rape of thue battery. Tethering through Bluetooth instead of wifi would most likely be much better.
Hrm. How would you feel about wifi hotspot creation?
 
maharg said:
Weird that Apple would be so extreme in pixel density on the iphone after being mediocre on pixel density in their laptops. I guess the marginal cost of higher density might be lower on a smaller screen, though.

I think the benefits of having the resolution be exactly double previous iphone's pushed them to go further with pixel density than they might normally have.
 
DECK'ARD said:
The screen is going to be quite something.

It's good enough for print DPI.
Must be for iBook app or whatever its called. But seriously that screen will be awesome. What's the chance of it being OLED or AMOLED? Zero? :(
 
Bananakin said:
I think the benefits of having the resolution be exactly double previous iphone's pushed them to go further with pixel density than they might normally have.

I agree. I'm not sure that there is a lot of benefit in going for such a high pixel density from a purely screen quality point-of-view. It's already extremely difficult to see the pixels in today's 800x480 phones.
 
enzo_gt said:
Must be for iBook app or whatever its called. But seriously that screen will be awesome. What's the chance of it being OLED or AMOLED? Zero? :(
I read a bit ago that Steve/Apple wanted it in, but it was somewhat difficult on the production end/getting a partner to supply what they want etc. Probably not in this version.

But man I cannot wait. Still crossing fingers for that 512 MB RAM.

And the higher resolution = easier to develop apps for both iPad and iPhone = win for consumers.
 
Buckethead said:
I read a bit ago that Steve/Apple wanted it in, but it was somewhat difficult on the production end/getting a partner to supply what they want etc. Probably not in this version.

But man I cannot wait. Still crossing fingers for that 512 MB RAM.

And the higher resolution = easier to develop apps for both iPad and iPhone = win for consumers.
I dont see how it would be any easier or harder to develop universal apps. If the made a 1 inch by 1 inch button on the ipad it will be less than half that size on the new phone
 
My worry with the increased pixel density and A4 processor is that some games will be impacted negatively, performance wise.

Dark10x, I think it was, already stated in another thread that some games that run on 60fps on the iPhone, do not run at such a high frame rate on the iPad.

My main reason for upgrading my iPhone is better performance in games, and if there are bottlenecks in the 4G, I may consider just upgrading to a 3GS.
 
cjelly said:
My worry with the increased pixel density and A4 processor is that some games will be impacted negatively, performance wise.

Dark10x, I think it was, already stated in another thread that some games that run on 60fps on the iPhone, do not run at such a high frame rate on the iPad.

My main reason for upgrading my iPhone is better performance in games, and if there are bottlenecks in the 4G, I may consider just upgrading to a 3GS.

you can still make "sub-HD" games for iPhone 4g, as each pixel will map exactly to be 4 pixels on the device -- as the screen is the same size, you won't be able to tell.
 
hate there is no 12month contract, always 18 months so i finish 6 months after a new one comes out. and then there is 6 months left till the next one comes out. bullsheeet!
 
iNvidious01 said:
hate there is no 12month contract, always 18 months so i finish 6 months after a new one comes out. and then there is 6 months left till the next one comes out. bullsheeet!

i thought it was 2 years? at least for ATT?
 
iNvidious01 said:
hate there is no 12month contract, always 18 months so i finish 6 months after a new one comes out. and then there is 6 months left till the next one comes out. bullsheeet!

Consider yourself lucky... In Canada the minimum is a 3 years contract...
 
tino said:
No it doesn't. Do you understand what Jailbreak does?

As for Apple related news, Department of Justice is looking into expend its Apple antitrust investigation beyond the music business. I don't feel like starting a new thread so here it go.

My comment: Serve your right Steve Jobs, just for the no-nipple policy, you deserve every bit of the government interference.
It rapes your battery because it's running an un-optimized solution that uses both your 3G connection and wifi connection at the same time. Bluetooth uses less power and would offer plenty of bandwidth.

And yes, i know what jailbreaking does.
 
Chorazin said:
It rapes your battery because it's running an un-optimized solution that uses both your 3G connection and wifi connection at the same time. Bluetooth uses less power and would offer plenty of bandwidth.

And yes, i know what jailbreaking does.


You only need to jailbreak a wifi-only iPad to enable bluetooth tethering to connect to a phone, it doesn't even need to be an iPhone. Stop talking non sense.
 
tino said:
You only need to jailbreak a wifi-only iPad to enable bluetooth tethering to connect to a phone, it doesn't even need to be an iPhone. Stop talking non sense.
Fuck! Dude, this entire time we've been talking about how I'd like an official solution for tethering to an iPhone to a wifi iPad, because an optimized solution would be much better for battery life.

Never, NEVER did i ask about a jailbroken iPad, or mention a non-jailbroken version one, being tethered to ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN AN IPHONE.

Stop reading what you want and read what I wrote.
 
Y2Kev said:
What apps are you thinking of?

There's one that's a download manager for Safari which I've tested and seems to really negatively affect the battery if you have Safari open much, even when you're downloading nothing.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Jailbroken iPhone user posts are like "get an iPad" posts in Kindle threads.
Chorazin said:
Truer words, never spoken.
Tobor said:
Words of truth.
:lol :lol :lol

Anyway:

Steve: You know, when this whole thing with Gizmodo happened, I got advice from people who said 'you gotta just let it slide, you shouldn't go after a journalist just because they bought stolen property and tried to extort you.' And I thought deeply about this, and I concluded the worst thing that could happen is if we change our core values and let it slide. I can't do that. I'd rather quit.

:lol I guess 'merciless' is one of Apple's core values.
 
God, I so want an iPhone. I so want one so much. Especially with the new one. But I can't decide whether it's worth it FOR ME to change from a $15 per month "leave any time you want" prepaid plan to a what could be $80 per month "You're locked into us for two years! Muahaha!!!" plan. Fucking hell. Why do contracts exist? Why haven't people banded together to fight this outdated method yet? No one should have to be forced to stick with a plan they don't want. They should be allowed to leave whenever they want. Especially if the company sucks. Why should you be forced to be stuck with a company that sucks? That's just stupid and should be illegal!

Anyway, I digress. Since I can't fight it, I'd rather join it. But I can't justify $80~ a month. What is the cheapest AT&T plan out there with plenty of data? I'd end up paying out the ass for shit I wasn't even using. And that's just wrong.
 
Jasoco said:
God, I so want an iPhone. I so want one so much. Especially with the new one. But I can't decide whether it's worth it FOR ME to change from a $15 per month "leave any time you want" prepaid plan to a what could be $80 per month "You're locked into us for two years! Muahaha!!!" plan. Fucking hell. Why do contracts exist? Why haven't people banded together to fight this outdated method yet? No one should have to be forced to stick with a plan they don't want. They should be allowed to leave whenever they want. Especially if the company sucks. Why should you be forced to be stuck with a company that sucks? That's just stupid and should be illegal!

Anyway, I digress. Since I can't fight it, I'd rather join it. But I can't justify $80~ a month. What is the cheapest AT&T plan out there with plenty of data? I'd end up paying out the ass for shit I wasn't even using. And that's just wrong.
You can buy it for the unsubsidized price and not get locked into a contract, I think.
 
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