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http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Bush_allegedly_told_Palestinian_leaders_God_1006.html

President George W. Bush allegedly told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, the BBC will report in a program slotted to run Oct. 17, RAW STORY can reveal.

The BBC errantly posted a press release link on their website early, revealing the documentary's contents.

In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday Oct. 10, Monday Oct. 17 and Monday Oct. 24 British time), Abu Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003 to BBC reporters.


Foreign Minister Shaath declares: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Prime Minister Mazen recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

Buwahahahaha. :lol
 
Crow said:
How many more years does the world have to endure this looneytune again?
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I dunno. He never puts a timetable on anything.

Recently, our country observed the fourth anniversary of a great evil and looked back on a great turning point in our history.

We still remember a proud city covered in smoke and ashes, a fire across the Potomac, and passengers who spent their final moments on Earth fighting the enemy. We still remember the men who rejoice in every death, and Americans in uniform rising to duty. And we remember the calling that came to us on that day and continues to this hour.

We will confront this mortal danger to all humanity. We will not tire or rest until the war on terror is won.
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*Waves flag furiously*
 
Jesus said:
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye, with never a thought for the great plank in your own? Or how can you say to your brother, "let me take the speck out of your eye", when all the time there is that plank in your own? You hypocrite! First take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s.
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Probably taken out of context, but whatever.
 
Phoenix said:
Why does he keep ignoring God when it comes to Central America, South America, Africa, Asia, etc.?
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He's not ignoring God. It's just that God ignores Central America, South America, Africa and Asia. :)

Well...maybe not Asia.
 
I got into a conversation with a friend's mother who is a rather literalist (though not hate-mongering) Christian. A curious point is that she had the view that all politicians lie and are corrupted by the system but still supported George W. Bush not just because of a particular policy(s) she agreed with, but as a person.

Wait - she considered him a liar and corrupt as any politician yet supported him in the sense of integrity over others (Kerry)?

Well, it turned out her rationalization was similiar to that which I've seen in a lot of Christians of a certain flavor. What mattered is that Bush is pious as she sees it. She reasons that we're ALL marked by original sin and highly flawed, so the fact that Bush might be corrupt, decieve, and lie was forgivable. But he was very obviously a Man of God, and that was more important than anything. The Other Guy wasn't pious enough, even though in terms of how they do their job, she seemed to think both Bush and Kerry would be about equal. In fact, she could even admit that Bush may not overall be the best choice for carrying out the role of President.

But he's a Man of God.

I will say this opened my eyes, or at least refined my views a little bit. Piety is everything to a lot of people, and errors or just plain lousy work on the job will be swept under the carpet so long as God is mentioned every other word. The rationalization is so powerful, that even massively important positions of authority - like the office of the President of the United States - are reasoned to be all the same, so long as God is the co-pilot.

(Going along with that, I found in discussing it with her, was a deeply ingrained, virtually subconcious presumption that because God was the co-pilot, nothing truly bad would ever come of anything so long as a person is true and pious. How could it? Doctrine says "worship me and it'll all be okay", right? ... right? That's how she saw it, at least.)
 
TheDuce22 said:
This God guy sounds like an idiot.
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I've often pondered that he might actually be a pretty cool guy.

But unfortunately, he's got simply the worst drooling fanboys anyone has ever had. Just the pits man, a total bummer.
 
Kaijima said:
I've often pondered that he might actually be a pretty cool guy.

But unfortunately, he's got simply the worst drooling fanboys anyone has ever had. Just the pits man, a total bummer.
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So God is actually......

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Oh my!
 
Maybe by God he meant Cheney. Replace all instances of God with it...

Foreign Minister Shaath declares: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from Cheney. Cheney would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then Cheney would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel Cheney's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by Cheney I'm gonna do it.'"
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The "Divine right of Kings" was always a good defense. Until people got pissed off with Kings and moved to America. Oh wait..
 
Phoenix said:
Why does he keep ignoring God when it comes to Central America, South America, Africa, Asia, etc.?
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Because those places don't exist in the bible. Even Pilate was given power by God, what one does with it isn't mandated by him, though.
 
Too much God hating going on in this thread. Whether or not Bush is "a man of God," only he and God knows. I think that in this instance, religion and faith are just being used as political tools to prey on the weaknesses of those who truly believe.
 
Alucard said:
Too much God hating going on in this thread. Whether or not Bush is "a man of God," only he and God knows. I think that in this instance, religion and faith are just being used as political tools to prey on the weaknesses of those who truly believe.
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I'll stop hating God as soon as he pays back the $5 he owes me. The fucker.
 
Alucard said:
Too much God hating going on in this thread. Whether or not Bush is "a man of God," only he and God knows. I think that in this instance, religion and faith are just being used as political tools to prey on the weaknesses of those who truly believe.
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I disagree with your cynical take and would suggest that if Bush said something like this in this situation perhaps it was a ham-handed means to find common bond/use a common "language" to express his beliefs. AFA using religion as a political tool to prey on the weakness of believers, are you talking about Bush or the Palestinian ministers here?
 
Alucard said:
Too much God hating going on in this thread. Whether or not Bush is "a man of God," only he and God knows. I think that in this instance, religion and faith are just being used as political tools to prey on the weaknesses of those who truly believe.
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I'm a devout Christian and believe that a man's relationship with God is his own business. But to run a country by your religious whims is just irresponsible. I mean who gave Mr. Bush the authority to act in God's name using our country? Was it God? And if it was why didn't he tell anyone? That whole "Surely by the mouth of two or three witnesses" thing not apply here? Neither does that whole "by their fruits shall ye know them", because I can point to some pretty rotten fruit from Bush and his camp? Good gosh, I don't go into work and say "I coded it this way because God told me to. So leave me alone" The pearls before the swine.
 
"Foreign Minister Shaath declares: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'""

NEWS FLASH, THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT TEACHING OF GOD AND THE MESSIAH, PRESIDENT BUSH SOUNDS LIKE A FALSE PROPHET AND A FOOL.

Good day!
 
Kaijima said:
I've often pondered that he might actually be a pretty cool guy.

But unfortunately, he's got simply the worst drooling fanboys anyone has ever had. Just the pits man, a total bummer.
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so he's kinda like Brett Favre?
 
The quiet words of the wise are more to be heeded
than the shouting of a ruler among fools.
Wisdom is better than weapons of war,
but one bungler destroys much good.
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Guess he didn't read the whole book.
 
This was actually reported on when it happened, but it didn't get a ton of traction, other than liberal weblogs freaking out.

Here's the original Haaretz story, which quotes Palestinian PM Mahmoud Abbas. The online version isn't dated, but there's a Washington Post story that quotes it from June 27, 2003.

President Bush said:
God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.
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Zoinks.
 
Kaijima said:
I got into a conversation with a friend's mother who is a rather literalist (though not hate-mongering) Christian. A curious point is that she had the view that all politicians lie and are corrupted by the system but still supported George W. Bush not just because of a particular policy(s) she agreed with, but as a person.

Wait - she considered him a liar and corrupt as any politician yet supported him in the sense of integrity over others (Kerry)?

Well, it turned out her rationalization was similiar to that which I've seen in a lot of Christians of a certain flavor. What mattered is that Bush is pious as she sees it. She reasons that we're ALL marked by original sin and highly flawed, so the fact that Bush might be corrupt, decieve, and lie was forgivable. But he was very obviously a Man of God, and that was more important than anything. The Other Guy wasn't pious enough, even though in terms of how they do their job, she seemed to think both Bush and Kerry would be about equal. In fact, she could even admit that Bush may not overall be the best choice for carrying out the role of President.

But he's a Man of God.

I will say this opened my eyes, or at least refined my views a little bit. Piety is everything to a lot of people, and errors or just plain lousy work on the job will be swept under the carpet so long as God is mentioned every other word. The rationalization is so powerful, that even massively important positions of authority - like the office of the President of the United States - are reasoned to be all the same, so long as God is the co-pilot.

(Going along with that, I found in discussing it with her, was a deeply ingrained, virtually subconcious presumption that because God was the co-pilot, nothing truly bad would ever come of anything so long as a person is true and pious. How could it? Doctrine says "worship me and it'll all be okay", right? ... right? That's how she saw it, at least.)
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I head something like that on TV, but for Miers. The person didn't have much information on Mier's views... so they built an profile around her church and what other church-goers say.
 
Here's something you guys should love:
George Carlin said:
When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.

So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.

For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.

So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!
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