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Going to build a new PC soon, need some GAF help...

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I feel like a bit of a idiot posting a topic like this again, becuase I have made a couple in the past on the old board. And something always made me end up not getting the new PC yet. It usualy had to do with either money, or having someone here tell me about something cool that wasnt out yet, and I would read more about it and find I wanted to wait for it. One example of this was I kinda held off for Socket 939 (I am building an Athlon 64 system). Another factor in not getting it was I plan to order the parts on this site But I unfourtinatly untill just recantly didnt have my own credit card. Andf trying to convince my dad to use his card online is something I didnt want to really go through again. And also the s939 CPU I wanted was way expensive, so I was waiting for the price to drop down which it has now. And lastly Half Life 2 still hasnt released, but since it looks like it will soon...

I am Canadian, as are all these prices.

I have pretty much decided on the system I am planning to build and I'll list the specs now:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ s939
Asus A8V Delux motherboard
2GB DDR400 PC3200 RAM, for this I am thinking on buying 2 of these

I already own some of the parts:

ATI Radeon 9800 Peo
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum
160 gig Western Digital hardrive
LG Dual Layer DVD burner

And than there's the case, that's one thing I am having a lot of trouble deciding on. I found one I really like, but it's quite expensive, and it's too big to fit on my desk, my current tower is just over 17" tall, and it barely fits under the hutch of my desk. This one I liked was a Coolermaster, it's called the Wavemaster, this is it here But it's like 19" tall or something.

Anyway the point is I need help in deciding on a case, I want a black case, and prefferably one with a dore/cover on the front. Especaly so now since unfourtinatly the LG DVD drive didnt come with a black swapable faceplate, in fact it doesnt even look like you can take the white one off. But the dore isnt imparitive, I may buy another drive down the road. But I still want it to match up. Here is a link to all the vases they have, so please help me by recomending me a decent case, I think they stock most major brands.

Also as for the RAM, I know a little, but not a lot about it, so please tell me if this is a good choice, from what I understand of timings, it seems to be good. but still, I would like to hear from someone who knows more about it.

And if I order a system from that site I can also buy a OEM version of Win XP Pro, but I am not sure what exactly they class as a system.

Anyway as of right now I know pretty much what I want, but I just have these few above questions. Oh and one other, I remember reading a while back (it may have been here) that someone had some compatibility problem with a similar setup to what I plan to build. I remember it being something along the lines of he wasnt able to play games or something becuase of the Asus board combined with his video card and CPU. I think the CPU was a 3500+. Since this is deffinatly going to be used for gaming, that would not bode well. So will i have this problem, or has it been resolved. I have heard that the Asus board is like a revision 2.0 or something, so maybe it's been fixed? That is assuming the problem I heard of was on the older model.

Anyway, any help you guys can give me is appreciated.

~Black Deatha
 
Wow, nice!
make sure you have some good cooling for that athlon.

The RAM is an excellent choice. There are several good points about it.
1) a 3200 400mhz is the fastest you can get.
2) the cas latency is low (CAS Latency - 2-3-3-6-T1). Anything that begins with 2 is good stuff.

althought its kind of expensive. try these , they are exactly the same but cost about a 100 less. Don't worry about the company they offer a lifetime warranty and i'm using PDP RAM right now. it kicks ass
 
gamepro said:
Wow, nice!
make sure you have some good cooling for that athlon.

The RAM is an excellent choice. There are several good points about it.
1) a 3200 400mhz is the fastest you can get.
2) the cas latency is low (CAS Latency - 2-3-3-6-T1). Anything that begins with 2 is good stuff.

althought its kind of expensive. try these , they are exactly the same but cost about a 100 less. Don't worry about the company they offer a lifetime warranty and i'm using PDP RAM right now. it kicks ass

Thanks man, but but you are forgetting one thing, newegg is in USD, the price on the site I linked to (ncix) is a Canadian site, so I just checked the exchange rate, and the newegg price is $244.28 CAD. But I'll still consider it, I just want to make sure to still be ordering enough to get the OEM XP Pro, it says "with a system" and I still dont know what they consider to meet the requirements for a system. Once I just bought a harddrive and I was abloe to get Win XP Home OEM with it, but that was somewhere else.

~Black Deatha
 

Limedust

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This mini-rant takes the assumption that this will be a gaming rig. Unless not having what will technically give you the highest benchmark figures possible will drive you insane, I am going to go against what everyone else will tell you and suggest getting a socket 754 Athlon64. Socket 939 will give you greater memory bandwidth (essentially double), but in-game performance for anything out today shows no discernable difference between 754 and 939 systems for any benchmarks that I have seen.

If anybody has gaming benchmarks showing a performance difference between identically equipped 754 and 939 systems, I would like to see them... and I don't mean that in any sort of arrogant manner.
 

rastex

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Well, the whole 754 vs 939 debate really centers around what your plans are. 754 is going to be more than sufficient for the next 2 years with all the games coming out based on the Unreal, Doom3, and Half-Life 2 engines. When Unreal3 games start coming out in 2006 or so even a 939 won't be able to handle that, so I really feel there's no point in getting a 939 over a 754 especially due to the price.


And gamepro, I'm a total noob when it comes to cooling, so what do you mean by having cooling on the Athlon. I'm running a 3000+ and it runs pretty hot :/
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
That's bullshit. The GPU plays a huge factor in all that.
 

Diablos

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Let's see your rig do this at 60fps. Hell, 30fps.

HDRGlow.jpg


:D
 

rastex

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Exactly.

And now with the trend in computing towards parallel processing, who knows what tech is gonna look like in 2-3 years. From Win98-WinXP, things have been pretty stagnant in terms of tech, evolutionary wise it has progressed remarkably, but in no way revolutionary. When Longhorn is released in 2006 there's going to be a MASSIVE push from all sectors in the industry (software, processor makers, video card makers) to upgrade to new machines. Just like what happened with DOS->Win95.
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
I have never been naive enough to fall for the whole '________ game can't be run on current high-end hardware. It's silly and has never held up. It's also stupid from a publishing/money-making perspective.

'Run at all' and 'Not run at 60fps' are two different things.
 

rastex

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True, it all depends on what you consider as "acceptable" performance.

But my argument still holds true that even at low performance, the difference between 754 and 939 probably won't make too much of a difference, they'll both suck.
 
aaaaa0 said:
Careful, if you fill all 4 of your memory slots on an AMD64 motherboard, you may have to slow the command rate on your memory timings from 1T to 2T.

This costs you about 1 GB/s of memory bandwidth, which will probably negate what you gained from having low latency memory.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128&p=5

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I had no idea about that, but as I said I don't know much about RAM, so am I to understand that if I put in 2 gigs, the motherboard will bottleneck it to the point that I will only get the performance of 1 gig?

And again, please guys, recommend some good cases!!

~Black Deatha
 

Vormund

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Biff Hardbody said:
I would just buy 1 gig of ram and use the rest of money for a better video card.

Yep. I ended up getting Corsair TwinX-1GB with timings of 2-2-2-5 rather than 2GB

:D
 

Diablos

Member
rastex said:
Exactly.

And now with the trend in computing towards parallel processing, who knows what tech is gonna look like in 2-3 years. From Win98-WinXP, things have been pretty stagnant in terms of tech, evolutionary wise it has progressed remarkably, but in no way revolutionary. When Longhorn is released in 2006 there's going to be a MASSIVE push from all sectors in the industry (software, processor makers, video card makers) to upgrade to new machines. Just like what happened with DOS->Win95.
Yeah, that means everyone is gonna be in the dark again when it comes to what hardware they should buy, how much they should spend, where software/games will head in terms of future growth, etc. Just what we need. :( At least now we can predict where things are heading.
 

Vormund

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we need to shift things along though.

I know I'll be buying a completely new machine when Longhorn is released.
 
Cerebral Palsy said:

I have seen there cases and really dont care for the look of them, any others?

And I think i mayjust go for 1 gig if that's the case, but please, someone tell me if my understanding of the RAM issue is correct...

~Black Deatha
 
God I hate when this happens, I am asking for some help here guys, can someone not reply?

Or should I just make a new topic about cases?

~Black Deatha
 

rastex

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Well what DO you want in a case? Are you concerned about looks? what type of looks? Do you want to carry it around a lot for going to LANs? Do you care about noise?

I got this Antec Sonata and am pretty happy with it. It's pretty darn quiet, but ever since I installed my new CPU fan it's gone up in noise. But it looks nice and overall I'm happy with it.

Personally, I kind of regret not going with a shuttle though. I saw my friend's shuttle and it's sweeeeeet.
 
rastex said:
Well what DO you want in a case? Are you concerned about looks? what type of looks? Do you want to carry it around a lot for going to LANs? Do you care about noise?

I got this Antec Sonata and am pretty happy with it. It's pretty darn quiet, but ever since I installed my new CPU fan it's gone up in noise. But it looks nice and overall I'm happy with it.

Personally, I kind of regret not going with a shuttle though. I saw my friend's shuttle and it's sweeeeeet.

That's a good few questions. I have never gon to a lan, and dont see my self doing so in the near future, so i never move my PC around really. I just want something that looks decent, isnt more than 17" tall and prefferably black, thae one you posted looks nice. I would perfer it quiet, and also to have good air flow...

I also wouldent mind a window on the side, but it's not a must...

And like I said in my origonal post, preferably black and with a dore/cover, but one that doesnt look stupid...

~Black Deatha
 

rastex

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The Sonata is a good choice then. It's pretty damn quiet and it's very sleek and elegant. I could say that airflow could be better, but whatever. But it doesn't have a window, but it does have a front panel.
 
rastex said:
The Sonata is a good choice then. It's pretty damn quiet and it's very sleek and elegant. I could say that airflow could be better, but whatever. But it doesn't have a window, but it does have a front panel.

yeah, so I see, looks pretty good, but since you have it, can you tell me, since I have the Audigy Platinum I/O drive, with the various controles sticking out from it, would I be able to close that dore over it?

~Black Deatha
 
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