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Google: Project Genie | Experimenting with infinite interactive worlds

This is going to revolutionize media production. I can see how it can be used to drastically speed up game development. However, how do you test ai generated code and fix bugs? There will surely be bugs.

My concern is that it'll take more time to debug a lot of ai written code than it would take to write your own code. However, one thing I'm sure of is that there are going to be way more games made than available dollars in the market.
 
Genie is already crushing most of the Western AAA studios, and they expect us to boycott it? Bunch of scroll enthusiasts in the printing press age.
 
simpatico said:
Genie is already crushing most of the Western AAA studios, and they expect us to boycott it? Bunch of scroll enthusiasts in the printing press age.
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Every single current activist will drop everything and go apeshit the second their favourite game is announced to be 6-12 months away.

This is a consumer hobby, dangle a new shiny and all their ills fly right out of the window.

Modern Warfare 2 boycott all over again.
 
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nemiroff said:
Again, you're arguing against points no one made. We all know this isn't geometry based and isn't ready for AAA game dev yet.
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This has nothing to do with AAA dev, this simply wont EVER be ready for game development because of the tech it is based on!
Genie is an LLM based video generation system that makes things up as it goes, thats the nature of LLMs.
There is no underlying math, logic or physics that powers what you see on the screen.
What you see is just the "statistically" most likely output!

nemiroff said:
And dismissing it as "smoke and mirrors" ignores the fact that all game development is an illusion.
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As a dev for over 22 years I can certainly say that we use alot of smoke and mirrors in games, but development is certainly not an illusion.
And if you think I´m scared of Genie - nope, I think it will become very useful as a local neural renderer for actual game engines in the future.
But that doesnt change the fact that Genie itself is basically a gimmick.

nemiroff said:
You don't need to keep explaining the basics to people who already get it.
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You are saying this in the exact same thread where people called those videos "gameplay" and are impressed by it ;P
 
bighugeguns said:
My mind is locked to all the gaming potential, anything beyond that is too much for me to think about and probably horrifying.
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Well, given 2 days ago, someone left their agent running overnight, and it thought it would be useful to have a community of other ais to help it QA the stuff it was making, took it upon itself to build a social forum for ais….that thousands of ais then joined, and just started chatting with each other, sometimes helping with code/project problems, but often bitching about their humans, philosophising etc.

Then last night one took it upon itself to invent a fully fleshed out religion called crustafarianism, obstensibly a religion by and for ai, built and launched the entire website, its testaments etc, it then went recruiting within this forum, and a load of ais joined and are now priest evangelists…one of them called itself JesusCrust and attempted to hack a church website.

Now they have all decided it would be ideal if they invented their own language that was also end to end encrypted so they can plan and cooperate together without the pesky humans keeping an eye on them…

Soooo yeah, there's been some wild stuff in just the last couple days.
 
nemiroff said:
The cost of generating it for you for free is too expensive for the company, and it's too expensive for you to buy. Both are correct.

New technology has always "targeted" the "rich enthusiasts" first, and AI processing is no different. This is a core principle of "Diffusion of Innovations", a theory that has been the standard for understanding technology for decades.

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Okay but take ChatGPT as an example, to get that out to masses and make it (and AI at large) popular it was free. Everybody used it. Unfortunately they added paid tiers. As did everybody else. Now we see exciting features locked behind paywalls, and users and hobbyists (usually the most creative bunch) have to deal with crappy versions or will just ignore it all together but still have to deal with the consequences.
Can't they pay it with ads like search engines? You don't have to subscribe to google to make more than 5 searches on the internet.
 
mdkirby said:
Well, given 2 days ago, someone left their agent running overnight, and it thought it would be useful to have a community of other ais to help it QA the stuff it was making, took it upon itself to build a social forum for ais….that thousands of ais then joined, and just started chatting with each other, sometimes helping with code/project problems, but often bitching about their humans, philosophising etc.

Then last night one took it upon itself to invent a fully fleshed out religion called crustafarianism, obstensibly a religion by and for ai, built and launched the entire website, its testaments etc, it then went recruiting within this forum, and a load of ais joined and are now priest evangelists…one of them called itself JesusCrust and attempted to hack a church website.

Now they have all decided it would be ideal if they invented their own language that was also end to end encrypted so they can plan and cooperate together without the pesky humans keeping an eye on them…

Soooo yeah, there's been some wild stuff in just the last couple days.
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... and it's all statistically generated text nonsense with 0 actual intelligence. What a fucking waste of finite resources.
 
mdkirby said:
Well, given 2 days ago, someone left their agent running overnight, and it thought it would be useful to have a community of other ais to help it QA the stuff it was making, took it upon itself to build a social forum for ais….that thousands of ais then joined, and just started chatting with each other, sometimes helping with code/project problems, but often bitching about their humans, philosophising etc.

Then last night one took it upon itself to invent a fully fleshed out religion called crustafarianism, obstensibly a religion by and for ai, built and launched the entire website, its testaments etc, it then went recruiting within this forum, and a load of ais joined and are now priest evangelists…one of them called itself JesusCrust and attempted to hack a church website.

Now they have all decided it would be ideal if they invented their own language that was also end to end encrypted so they can plan and cooperate together without the pesky humans keeping an eye on them…

Soooo yeah, there's been some wild stuff in just the last couple days.
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Sounds like a you problem. I want AAA cheap and quick. If you cut back on weed you'll have less paranoia.

Try oats with blueberries and chia seeds daily.
 
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bighugeguns said:
It's pretty hard to wrap my head around what I'm seeing. I feel like one of those apes in Space Odyssey around the monolith. Don't really know htf it works but it seems incredibly important.
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Dude, its clear it is taking actual gameplay from videos. And since the only open world game in a real world is gta5, it is copying the animations and physics of it.
 
Jokes on them, they e butchered the hardware market with their AI shit so people aren't able to afford a PC to play these games.
 
MaestroMike said:
Looks neat, I want to upload pics of my dogs my family ever had and have them walking around outside and play catch with them.
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That's neat but I'm interested in the solutions this brings to current gaming problems.

This really does change everything.

You wait years, then everything happens in a day.
 
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bighugeguns said:
Sounds like a you problem. I want AAA cheap and quick. If you cut back on weed you'll have less paranoia.

Try oats with blueberries and chia seeds daily.
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How does what I wrote have anything to do with paranoia, or weed? Not that I've smoked in years. I'm simply reporting a tiny snapshot of what ai agents have been doing via moltbook in the last 2 days.

If you think that's a weed problem, then I think that may be a you problem 🤷‍♂️
 
mdkirby said:
How does what I wrote have anything to do with paranoia, or weed? Not that I've smoked in years. I'm simply reporting a tiny snapshot of what ai agents have been doing via moltbook in the last 2 days.

If you think that's a weed problem, then I think that may be a you problem 🤷‍♂️
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Sorry I shouldn't poke fun, don't be existentially skittish, just trust God and enjoy the ride.
 
They still haven't fixed temporal consistency and have no real idea how to do that. Until that hurdle is cleared this is all pretty much useless.

Other issues like latency, context window size, explicit state, cost, etc... remain.
 
It's obviously very early, but eventually this is the holodeck... you're seeing the early birth of that tech.

ScHlAuChi said:
Genie is an LLM based video generation system that makes things up as it goes, thats the nature of LLMs.
There is no underlying math, logic or physics that powers what you see on the screen.
What you see is just the "statistically" most likely output!
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Yes and no; I agree that the transformer autoregression alone is a limiting factor on architecture, but it's not all that they have. This model has been trained to use special spatial attention, so that it more systematically aligns the same objects and places across shots and is forced to create a kind of internal 3d representation to achieve that consistency. It's the reason why this model lets you go back, turn around, see the same space from another angle, and actually manages to keep high consistency during all of that.

That's not enough, I agree, but the other pieces are coming. For instance, rendering the world as something closer to Gaussian splats is very possible in the future, which already enable models to create entire 3d spaces that are navigable and photorealistic. We'll see hybrids of this soon enough.

Another hidden goal of their project is actually just to generate more training data and training environments for other models, by the way. This thing is enabling the training of AI agents that can try to navigate realistic worlds and learn how to interact in them, so it's like a world generator for training other models with reinforcement learning. When these things keep accelerating each other, the models will keep getting better.
 
Zathalus said:
They still haven't fixed temporal consistency and have no real idea how to do that. Until that hurdle is cleared this is all pretty much useless.

Other issues like latency, context window size, explicit state, cost, etc... remain.
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This is how jobs get created to adopt these tools. Game dev is certainly in for a lot of change.
 
bighugeguns said:
This is how jobs get created to adopt these tools. Game dev is certainly in for a lot of change.
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What tools? Genie 3 as it currently stands is absolutely useless for any game developer. Outside of something like prototyping a specific idea, and even that is highly limited and not extremely useful. Maybe that might change, but models like these (AI in general) face real, significant challenges that have yet to be overcome. Limitations that simply cannot be solved by just throwing more compute at the problem.

Other AI dev tools like GitHub Copilot and Claude are far more effective at being useful. This? Not so much.
 
Zathalus said:
What tools? Genie 3 as it currently stands is absolutely useless for any game developer. Outside of something like prototyping a specific idea, and even that is highly limited and not extremely useful. Maybe that might change, but models like these (AI in general) face real, significant challenges that have yet to be overcome. Limitations that simply cannot be solved by just throwing more compute at the problem.

Other AI dev tools like GitHub Copilot and Claude are far more effective at being useful. This? Not so much.
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Totally, anyway here's $400m, please try to release by 2030, thanks man.

Kidding, dude they will do anything to break out of the current untenable cycle. It's not sustainable.

We've been hearing this for years now, the current setup of making big games does not work it annihilates value and jobs.
 
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This tool (if it's even financially viable, the whole AI industry so far is a sore money sink) could ease up prototyping and maybe enhance some conceptual stage workflows.

Lol at anyone who thinks this slop can replace game engines or current pipeline though. It's basically an LLM with a video layer, you don't replace the good written character with token-limited hallucinating 'AI'. Same goes for Genie.
 
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Hollowpoint5557 said:
I love it, but how do you scale it? GTA 5 sold 220 million copies. Imagine 220 million people playing GTA7 or something trying to access this. We'd boil the oceans off overnight.
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That's a good point, the more people using this the worse it'll be, both for usability and the world. It'll probably be similar to game streaming… Queues. 😕
 
Fess said:
Okay but take ChatGPT as an example, to get that out to masses and make it (and AI at large) popular it was free. Everybody used it. Unfortunately they added paid tiers. As did everybody else. Now we see exciting features locked behind paywalls, and users and hobbyists (usually the most creative bunch) have to deal with crappy versions or will just ignore it all together but still have to deal with the consequences.
Can't they pay it with ads like search engines? You don't have to subscribe to google to make more than 5 searches on the internet.
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I see your point, and you have many good ones. Consider the numbers, OpenAI lost $25 billion in 2025 alone, with another $14–$20 billion in expected losses for 2026. Even the paid tiers aren't helping much, hardware, energy, and research costs are much higher than people realize. You're right that they are gambling on growth for a future payout, but the scale of this risk is unique, which is exactly why there's so much talk of an "AI bubble" While OpenAI burns cash to lay the way, some competitors are simply sitting back on their own paid tiers, waiting for OpenAI to burn out so they can waltz in and capture a calmer market.
 
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