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[NervousXtian]

Sorry, for FoxNews link... I was trying to read about their Trump perspective on Russia.. but saw this instead.

Republican furor about the Department of Education stems from 2011 when the department began pressing colleges to more aggressively police sexual assaults and threatening to take away Title IX funding from schools that failed to do so. Title IX is a law enacted in 1972 that prohibits any educational program or activity that receives federal financial assistance from denying benefits to or discriminating against someone based on their sex.

“Some of the most egregious examples of executive overreach and intimidation” took place at the department, “and I believe it was this type of overreach that the American people repudiated in this election,” Lankford told the College Fix.

Since the Obama administration’s crackdown on schools, a number of students who have been found guilty by their colleges of sexual assault have filed lawsuits alleging their due process rights were violated during the investigation and ruling of the cases.

“What we represent is not a popular issue, we know that,” Cynthia Garrett, co-president of Families Advocating for Campus Equality, which supports due process rights for accused students, told FoxNews.com back in November. “But there are so many young men whose lives have been destroyed by these allegations.”

Think about the young men whose lives were ruined... but forget about the all the women getting far worse happening to them on campuses all the time?

I do agree that there's been sometimes overstepping of due process, but the end result of including sexual assault as part of Title IX is good.. especially considering the many scandals of late where schools have put sports ahead of doing the right thing.

Full FoxNews story:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...obamas-actions-on-college-sexual-assault.html

Title should say "wants to"

 

[Platy]

Their lifes were so destroyed that they might become president one day

 

[LionPride]

The hell

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

"Sexual assault allegations destroy men's lives." says person who watched Donald Trump get elected president.

 

[sphagnum]

Of course they do.

 

[whyamihere]

Oh my god

 

[gnexus]

GOP going all in on this heel turn

 

[cdyhybrid]

"Sexual assault allegations destroy men's lives." says person who watched Donald Trump get elected president.

Truuuuuuu

 

[Trojita]

How was their due process violated?

 

[HStallion]

Is this for fucking real? Can I say I hate the GOP? I don't mean conservatives or rural white America or anything like that but the elected officials and leaders of a party who constantly try to outdo comic book super villains for how evil and callous they can be. Fuck these pieces of shit.

 

[Kthulhu]

As usual with right wingers. If it doesn't work like they like it then they will try to throw it all away instead of trying to improve it.

 

[WetWaffle]

How could they have so little regard for the women, who would be physically AND emotionally traumatized from the sexual assault? Couple that with the victim-blamers in real life and online, and she can become absolutely miserable, much more than the fucking perpetrator.

 

[How About No]

Is this for fucking real? Can I say I hate the GOP? I don't mean conservatives or rural white America or anything like that but the elected officials and leaders of a party who constantly try to outdo comic book super villains for how evil and callous they can be. Fuck these pieces of shit.

Nah I'm sure tons of them don't mind this

 

[sphagnum]

How could they have so little regard for the women, who would be physically AND emotionally traumatized from the sexual assault? Couple that with the victim-blamers in real life and online, and she can become absolutely miserable, much more than the fucking perpetrator.

"If they don't want to be assaulted, they shouldn't dress like sluts!"

 

[NervousXtian]

How was their due process violated?

Say in the case of the Minnesota Football players who were not criminally charged, but suspended.. and then more that were never even questioned before were suspended.

Though there is a problem with law enforcement taking things seriously with on campus incidents, and campus police being hugely inconsistent across the board... but still this is a bad move by the GOP if they do this.

Fix the standards and make sure people get due process, and punish schools who don't do what's right when things are brought to their attention.

 

[Wolfe]

This is such a joke considering half the time I hear about some dude sexually assaulting a girl on campus it's for the fact he's getting a super lenient sentence.*


*

Spoiler

If the guy's white that is.

 

[jambo]

Is this for fucking real? Can I say I hate the GOP? I don't mean conservatives or rural white America or anything like that but the elected officials and leaders of a party who constantly try to outdo comic book super villains for how evil and callous they can be. Fuck these pieces of shit.

But both sides are the same.

 

[Nudull]

At the same time Russia is trying to decriminalize domestic violence. How quaint.

 

[darklin0]

I am still waiting for the pivot.

 

[NewFresh]

How could they have so little regard for the women, who would be physically AND emotionally traumatized from the sexual assault? Couple that with the victim-blamers in real life and online, and she can become absolutely miserable, much more than the fucking perpetrator.

Yeah, but what if she made it all up for the attention! Did you ever think of that?!?!?

 

[sangreal]

How was their due process violated?

Because this is about handling sexual assault through whatever made up process a school comes up with instead of the real court system that has protections for the accused.

There is a wikipedia page just on the due process issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_assault_due_process

It's something the Department of Ed. has recognized too

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Hahahaha, thank you women that voted for all these douches.

Making sure you, your children, your children's children are worth less than men's.

 

[kirblar]

Title IX is a legitimately awful way to try and address the issues w/ how schools handle sexual assault. However, it was also just about the only way they were able to do it (because of the GOP lockdown on congress.)

The due process concerns are actually legitimate here, the problem is that the GOP (just like with the ACA) has no interest in replacing/correcting the actual underlying issue that led to the externalities.

 

[hypernima]

Shit like this is why the Women's March is needed.

 

[WetWaffle]

"If they don't want to be assaulted, they shouldn't dress like sluts!"

The fact that some men and even some women think that is sickening. Making excuses cause some don't have enough self-control not to touch/grab someone who doesn't wanna be touched.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

feminism is needed now more than ever.

 

[jfkgoblue]

While schools have used this provision to essentially take away the rights of the accused, the GOP would rather blow it up than actually fix the problem.

 

[Elandyll]

He's not even president yet.
Imagine what they can do in -FOUR YEARS-.

We might not even recognize the country at all when they're done, because we'll be back in the 1950's.

Except for the white poor/ lower middle class, which will be much worse off, not better, contrarily to what Trump has been selling.

 

[The Kree]

53%

 

[CrispyBoar]

Is this for fucking real? Can I say I hate the GOP? I don't mean conservatives or rural white America or anything like that but the elected officials and leaders of a party who constantly try to outdo comic book super villains for how evil and callous they can be. Fuck these pieces of shit.

How could they have so little regard for the women, who would be physically AND emotionally traumatized from the sexual assault? Couple that with the victim-blamers in real life and online, and she can become absolutely miserable, much more than the fucking perpetrator.

This is what happens when people have voted for some rich celebrity asshat that doesn't have a clue about running a country.

 

[kirblar]

How could they have so little regard for the women, who would be physically AND emotionally traumatized from the sexual assault? Couple that with the victim-blamers in real life and online, and she can become absolutely miserable, much more than the fucking perpetrator.

Framing this as a war between victims and alleged perpetrators is not ok.

Fixing things for one side does not mean you need to or should ignore the effect on the other, nor is it a "battle of who is hurt more" where you ignore negative effects on one group.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

This is what happens when people have voted for some rich celebrity asshat that doesn't have a clue about running a country.

nah this is just the end result of several decades of work after the civil rights act was passed. Nixon, Reagan, Republicans under Clinton, Bush Jr, the Tea Party...

 

[Burglekutt]

Sorry, for FoxNews link... I was trying to read about their Trump perspective on Russia.. but saw this instead.





Think about the young men whose lives were ruined... but forget about the all the women getting far worse happening to them on campuses all the time?

I do agree that there's been sometimes overstepping of due process, but the end result of including sexual assault as part of Title IX is good.. especially considering the many scandals of late where schools have put sports ahead of doing the right thing.

Full FoxNews story:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...obamas-actions-on-college-sexual-assault.html

Title should say "wants to"

I thought the justice system was supposed to be based off the ideal that 10 guilty people go free rather than 1 innocent person be punished

How was their due process violated?

State(government) run universities are determining guilt of(punishing) a student without a proper trial

 

[Hyun Sai]

That was bound to happen when Trump got elected, no surprise here.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I thought the justice system was supposed to be based off the ideal that 10 guilty people go free rather than 1 innocent person be punished

For jail.... sure

 

[massoluk]

I mean if the law is unfair to some of the accused, issue guidelines to fix it instead of repeal?

 

[NervousXtian]

Because this is about handling sexual assault through whatever made up process a school comes up with instead of the real court system that has protections for the accused.

There is a wikipedia page just on the due process issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_assault_due_process

It's something the Department of Ed. has recognized too

Yeah, there's legit problems with the way it's being done.. but instead of fixing the problems they'll just nuke them.

Considering that schools even in very recent years were still trying to hide and cover-up sexual assaults is fucked up.

 

[R10Neymarfan]

Well not too far off from the Russia Parliament

 

[EVOL 100%]

Reads like an Onion article.

Somehow, I get the feeling that I'll be thinking about that for a lot of news stories that come out

 

[Burglekutt]

For jail.... sure

so its ok for the government to fuck with your life without convicting you of anything as long as they dont put you in a cell?

 

[kirblar]

I mean if the law is unfair to some of the accused, issue guidelines to fix it instead of repeal?

They can't. Title IX was a really, really ugly way of implementing this, where they told them "fix this or we withhold funding", but that "withhold funding" part was literally the only leverage they had. There was no granularity or ability to tell them how to do it.

 

[devilhawk]

While schools have used this provision to essentially take away the rights of the accused, the GOP would rather blow it up than actually fix the problem.

Yeah.

Universities purely look at these cases through PR now. Either they hide and cover it up, which only hurts the victims, or they immediately and bluntly punish the accused, which potentially creates new victims. It seems any attempt to be judicious and thorough is met with massive backlash in social media and the press. Universities all too often just chose to make it go away in any way possible.

A lot of it comes down to schools not having the resources or wherewithal to be doing what are essentially criminal investigations.

 

[Gallbaro]

Wouldn't this likely be beneficial to victims? Didn't this have the unintended side effect of removing sexual assault by and to adults into a made up court of the school's invention? This ended up treating sexual assault as if it happened in a day care facility.

Spoiler

Apart from the fact that university has devolved into "College Experience" aka adult day care.

 

[FStubbs]

so its ok for the government to fuck with your life without convicting you of anything as long as they dont put you in a cell?

This man saved lots of lives in the Atlanta '96 bombing. Was then accused of actually being the bomber until the day he died, though was never formally charged.

This man, one of the foremost biological weapons experts we have, was accused of sending anthrax to people for years, but again, was never formally charged.

Both of these "persons of interest" were innocent.

 

[Burglekutt]

This man saved lots of lives in the Atlanta '96 bombing. Was then accused of actually being the bomber until the day he died, though was never formally charged.

This man, one of the foremost biological weapons experts we have, was accused of sending anthrax to people for years, but again, was never formally charged.

Both of these "persons of interest" were innocent.

whats your point?

 

[Cybit]

Yeah.

Universities purely look at these cases through PR now. Either they hide and cover it up, which only hurts the victims, or they immediately and bluntly punish the accused, which potentially creates new victims. It seems any attempt to be judicious and thorough is met with massive backlash in social media and the press. Universities all too often just chose to make it go away in any way possible.

A lot of it comes down to schools not having the resources or wherewithal to be doing what are essentially criminal investigations.

Pretty much this.

They can't. Title IX was a really, really ugly way of implementing this, where they told them "fix this or we withhold funding", but that "withhold funding" part was literally the only leverage they had. There was no granularity or ability to tell them how to do it.

Yeah. Doing this through Title IX and leaving the people who think college football players shouldn't be paid in charge of sexual assault was pretty high up there on the "fucking stupid idea" list. (Seriously, the same idiots in charge of the NCAA, aka school administrators, are in charge of protecting women on their campus. This never had a chance in hell of succeeding)

If the GOP weren't just going to nuke it from orbit and fuck women I'd actually be OK with looking at a way of protecting women and due process. But I think we all know that won't happen, so, fuck the GOP.

 

[Burglekutt]

Pretty much this.



I'd actually be OK with looking at a way of protecting women and due process.

This is the goal. How do we do it?

 

[Dai101]

GOP going all in on this heel turn

Turn?

 

[Fuchsdh]

Yeah, under normal circumstances I'd actually be fine with this, because the Title IX provisions for this were pretty bad in implementation. But I'd also be concerned about improving police handling of assault cases so they'd be dealing with the crimes instead of the schools, and coming up with a better mechanic for holding schools accountable without turning them into inquisitorial boards.

Like Obamacare, I think the Republicans are more interested in blowing shit up than actual constructive reform.

 

[Alienfan]

How does the onion even write articles when shit like this is now real news