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Neil Gaiman (Creator of Good Omens, Sandman, Coraline) accused of sexual assault

Tams

Member
That is the most "hiding behind my keyboard" thing EVER!

Feel free to share your opinion to the Maori you see in owrson :p

It just annoys everyone. Just get on with the damn game!

Even New Zealanders get fed up with it.



Back on topic. I just can't understand why these people keep going back for abuse. I understand the power difference and coercion, but I just can't get my head around why you just wouldn't go back or get yourself out of those situations.
 

od-chan

Member
I just can't understand why these people keep going back for abuse.

Honestly, fuck some of these women. My heart goes out (truly) to anybody who is suffering from abuse and who, for a variety of reason, can't just easily leave, this is something that hits somewhat close to home for me. But we obviously need to bring back personal accountability, what the hell. The first one apparently hang around his house (she was supposed to babysit, baby was on a playdate though) so she accepted his invitation for a bath in his garden bath tub. Who does that? Who goes back to that for more sexual assaulting?

Yeah, no, maybe some "victims" need to get blamed. I'm not excusing any of his behaviour, multiple things can be true at once. He's a pest who can't keep it in his pants, fuck him. I'm not saying all of these women brought this on themselves either; I'm not familiar with all the cases and allegations. I just read about the one with the bathtub and that girl is just an idiot. Obviously she didn't deserve to get assaulted either way, but there's really only so much sympathy you can have. Like a gambler spending all of his life savings in Vegas? Sure, that sucks, but also, who gives a shit.

There's a good chance some of the cases are a lot more legitimate, I dunno. The media (and by extension, the people) feel some kinda need to embellish everything though. Like who gave a shit if Charles Manson got a speeding ticket, there's enough actual crime to go around so maybe concentrate on that. But obviously they need more engagement so embelleshing is kinda how they generate a profit. And then people go "oh but it's soo terrible" yeah no it really isn't, it's yellow press bullshit.
 
The main woman in the new article is the most stereotypical art hoe imaginable.

I'm disappointed to learn about Tilda Swinton's Waldorf school. That system produces nothing but weirdos and socially disfunctional assholes. While it has some advantages, mostly related to its practical, hands-on approach, it's all drowned by Steiner's batshit insane esoterism.
 

Tams

Member
Honestly, fuck some of these women. My heart goes out (truly) to anybody who is suffering from abuse and who, for a variety of reason, can't just easily leave, this is something that hits somewhat close to home for me. But we obviously need to bring back personal accountability, what the hell. The first one apparently hang around his house (she was supposed to babysit, baby was on a playdate though) so she accepted his invitation for a bath in his garden bath tub. Who does that? Who goes back to that for more sexual assaulting?

Yeah, no, maybe some "victims" need to get blamed. I'm not excusing any of his behaviour, multiple things can be true at once. He's a pest who can't keep it in his pants, fuck him. I'm not saying all of these women brought this on themselves either; I'm not familiar with all the cases and allegations. I just read about the one with the bathtub and that girl is just an idiot. Obviously she didn't deserve to get assaulted either way, but there's really only so much sympathy you can have. Like a gambler spending all of his life savings in Vegas? Sure, that sucks, but also, who gives a shit.

There's a good chance some of the cases are a lot more legitimate, I dunno. The media (and by extension, the people) feel some kinda need to embellish everything though. Like who gave a shit if Charles Manson got a speeding ticket, there's enough actual crime to go around so maybe concentrate on that. But obviously they need more engagement so embelleshing is kinda how they generate a profit. And then people go "oh but it's soo terrible" yeah no it really isn't, it's yellow press bullshit.

Glad to know I'm not alone in thinking that.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Back on topic. I just can't understand why these people keep going back for abuse. I understand the power difference and coercion, but I just can't get my head around why you just wouldn't go back or get yourself out of those situations.

This is what lends credence to what Neil Gaiman wrote on his blog: that the sex was consensual and that some of the stories didn't happen or were distorted. Because if it wasn't, why did these women go back to Gaiman? Harvey Weinstein had the power to make and break acting careers, he was someone who was in a position to get aspiring actresses to sleep with him. But a comic book/novel writer?


Over the past many months, I have watched the stories circulating the internet about me with horror and dismay. I’ve stayed quiet until now, both out of respect for the people who were sharing their stories and out of a desire not to draw even more attention to a lot of misinformation. I've always tried to be a private person, and felt increasingly that social media was the wrong place to talk about important personal matters. I've now reached the point where I feel that I should say something.

As I read through this latest collection of accounts, there are moments I half-recognise and moments I don’t, descriptions of things that happened sitting beside things that emphatically did not happen. I’m far from a perfect person, but I have never engaged in non-consensual sexual activity with anyone. Ever.

I went back to read the messages I exchanged with the women around and following the occasions that have subsequently been reported as being abusive. These messages read now as they did when I received them – of two people enjoying entirely consensual sexual relationships and wanting to see one another again. At the time I was in those relationships, they seemed positive and happy on both sides.

And I also realise, looking through them, years later, that I could have and should have done so much better. I was emotionally unavailable while being sexually available, self-focused and not as thoughtful as I could or should have been. I was obviously careless with people's hearts and feelings, and that's something that I really, deeply regret. It was selfish of me. I was caught up in my own story and I ignored other people's.

I’ve spent some months now taking a long, hard look at who I have been and how I have made people feel.

Like most of us, I’m learning, and I'm trying to do the work needed, and I know that that's not an overnight process. I hope that with the help of good people, I'll continue to grow. I understand that not everyone will believe me or even care what I say but I’ll be doing the work anyway, for myself, my family and the people I love. I will be doing my very best to deserve their trust, as well as the trust of my readers.

At the same time, as I reflect on my past – and as I re-review everything that actually happened as opposed to what is being alleged – I don't accept there was any abuse. To repeat, I have never engaged in non-consensual sexual activity with anyone.

Some of the horrible stories now being told simply never happened, while others have been so distorted from what actually took place that they bear no relationship to reality. I am prepared to take responsibility for any missteps I made. I’m not willing to turn my back on the truth, and I can't accept being described as someone I am not, and cannot and will not admit to doing things I didn't do.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
I have not read the expose, but speaking generally: you cannot retroactively withdraw consent years after acting completely in line with consent having been given (i.e. you’re repeatedly going over to his house to hook up and sending intimate messages), because your feelings have now changed or were not sufficiently reciprocated over time. It is an impossible standard.
 

calistan

Member
I have not read the expose, but speaking generally: you cannot retroactively withdraw consent years after acting completely in line with consent having been given (i.e. you’re repeatedly going over to his house to hook up and sending intimate messages), because your feelings have now changed or were not sufficiently reciprocated over time. It is an impossible standard.
There's something in that giant article I linked to earlier about how Gaiman's ex (Amanda Palmer) has been "bled dry" by a messy divorce and custody battle that's now entering its fifth year. Exposing his kinks in public might be her latest roll of the dice, even though the police already closed the report on him.

The article also says Gaiman and Palmer would often share partners, and Palmer not only introduced some of these women to him, she actually gave them advice on how to please him in bed.
 

Cyberpunkd

Member
Back on topic. I just can't understand why these people keep going back for abuse. I understand the power difference and coercion, but I just can't get my head around why you just wouldn't go back or get yourself out of those situations.
You don’t understand why, then you provide the exact reason in the next sentence.
 
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E-Cat

Member
'Comic book'.
Figured out why I never heard of him. Thanks 👍
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King of the world!…. *of comic books.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
They're trying to do that. With the pronouns lunacy and "body type A/B" nonsense character selection in games.
Yep. But great works are impossible to create while aiming to avoid offending anyone.

People like that journalist above will never produce anything of value to the world, so they resent those who do and revel in the self-righteous takedown. It’s pathetic.

Of course, if Gaiman broke the law, hold him accountable. Beyond that, this whole #metoo thing has long overstayed its welcome and it’s hard to care about soft boy misadventures with groupies.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
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Yeah, let’s remove the humanity from everything so that we achieve a sanitized, non-problematic world…

Agreed. I want art created by humans, not artificial art created by machines.

I don't want to live in a world where AI and robots do everything for us. At that point we're living in the Wall-E universe. We'd become emotionless husks endlessly consuming sterile content.

No thanks.
 
Yep. But great works are impossible to create while aiming to avoid offending anyone.
As a Hunter x Hunter fan since the original 1999 anime came out, I feel this. It's been interesting watching the newer anime skyrocket into the popculture zeitgeist, and seeing people's reactions to Hisoka with modern sensibilities.

He's an incredibly well-written, uniquely deplorable character, and the modern audience has trouble reconciling those two aspects. He's often the target of criticism for the series in its entirety because of his problematic tendencies, but that complexity is a microcosm of why Hunter x Hunter is so great.
 
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