evilromero
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That would be awesome. I'd buy THUG2.DJPS2 said:
Got PSP Yesterday
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Hero said:Besides Lumines, is the PSP launch really that impressive? I mean, is anything new in Vampire Chronicles? Hot Shots Golf and Ridge Racer are plentiful on PS2, does the PSP versions offer anything that can't be found? The biggest reason I want a PSP now is that I can use it as a portable mp3 player and movie player. Portable Naruto = hot.
Not to see that the US NDS launch was hot. SM64DS, FTM, and MDS were the only good titles. But the Japanese launch was a bit more impressive and fresh in my opinion.
Here's my take:
1.) The PSP software-- although most of it is already available on the PS2-- is made more impressive by the fact that you can take it with you, rather than have to lug a PS2 and LCD screen (and appropriate power supplies) with you. The prospects of being able to play Ridge Racers, THUG2, Hot Shots Golf, and other currently existing PS2 franchises while traveling or even before bed is pretty cool to me.
2.) The DS software literally looks a full generation behind the PSP software. Despite the launch lineups (which I'm hoping will be more plentiful when the US launch date arrives), I personally see a larger upside for the PSP. Nintendo's only upside lies in the first-party software that PSP owners obviously won't get to play... unless Armageddon occurs and Nintendo goes third-party. At any rate, choosing between the PSP and the DS is like choosing between the PS2 and the N64. For me, at least, it's no contest... since the N64 was all but a complete disaster, IMO.
I understand that you're faulting the PSP launch lineup for not being all that original... but originality doesn't sell anymore.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Poor DS gets slammed in psp and DS threads. Whats wrong with me, im actually having fun with it.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
theres too much trolling going on in these threads. Leave the NDS people alone damnit!
Saying that you chose between PS2 and N64 when you compare PSP and NDS is fundamentally flawed.
The way you play the games and what kind of games there will be is vastly different and referring to the traditional console world is not valid, maybe for PSP but not NDS.
PSP and NDS have very different market appeals and game offerings.
The way you play the games and what kind of games there will be is vastly different and referring to the traditional console world is not valid, maybe for PSP but not NDS.
PSP and NDS have very different market appeals and game offerings.
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
w00t
can't wait to pick up a psp next month
can't wait to pick up a psp next month
Lyte Edge said:Just format your Memory Stick Duo and you'll get a music folder you can simply drag and drop MP3 files to when you enter USB mode. It's that easy.
I've got that. That pic at the beginning of the thread is showing his music folder, with several subfolders with mp3s in. When I first got mine, I tried that, and only the direct .mp3 files in the top 'MUSIC' folder would play. the ones in the subfolder would show like that pic, but would't play. And you couldn't browse to the folder to see the mp3s inside.
I was just curious if he got it working somehow.
SantaC
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DJPS2 said:
There isn't any competition? In Japan there is, and DS has still sold very well even after PSP launched. yes yes I know that the PSP only ship like 100K per week, but that doesn't change the fact that you can wait until you get your hands on a PSP instead of getting a DS. The DS numbers didn't take a dive when the PSP came out.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Well it wont get any better for the psp when a pokemon game gets released for the DS. Is there a Dragon Warrior or FF game coming out for psp? I know im getting one for GTA and konami games but i wonder if it needs a big time game in japan.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I can really see the psp being a huge hit in the US and a moderate sucess in japan. How will that affect japanese support? Do we care?
DJPS2 said:
What equal ground? Next year we'll see the release of Xenon. Will people be willing to drop the $100-150 for the DS or the $100-150-200 for the PSP when the Xenon will be out? And if the tiered pricing for the Xbox 2 (with or without hdd) is correct, will the base unit bring it to a comparable level to the DS/PSP pricing levels?
There's no way that anyone can accurately predict next years sales. No one knows what will happen in this industry.
Nintendo had the right idea to release this Christmas season and get some moderate sales before the next generation of home consoles begin. Sony's taking a gamble that the PSP will outsell the Xenon, especially when you consider that the PS3 will release soon after.
I don't really like portables. If I was forced to pick one though, I'd likely go with DS. Simply because I'm pretty sure that any PSP game can be easily done on the PS2, whereas the DS' touch screen isn't available on the Cube.
That said, luckily I don't have to choose. I'll be buying both.
MassiveAttack
Banned
Spike said:
A reasonable argument but fundamentally flawed when viewed in light of the fact that handheld and console purchases are often made by different consumers or consumers who would like to play games both at home and away.
Were GBA sales adversely affected by PS2 and XBOX sales in 2001? Absolutely not and yet GBA and XBOX shipped in the same year. Unless MS has a secret XBOY planned for 2005, I simply fail to see a significant impact on either DS or PSP sales when Xenon releases.
In the same vein, this idea of multiple versions and tiered pricing for Xenon is a catastrophically stupid strategy, if it exists at all.
captmcblack
Member
YESSSSSSSSSSS
ONE OF THESE THREADS AGAIN!!!1
...ugh.
So just like that, the DS wouldn't be worth playing, just knowing the PSP is coming out.
This forum...awesome.
ONE OF THESE THREADS AGAIN!!!1
...ugh.
So just like that, the DS wouldn't be worth playing, just knowing the PSP is coming out.
This forum...awesome.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Good point spike, any game thats a hit on the psp will probably be ported to the ps2 with better visuals and more content.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
GBA was 99.99 wasnt?
CrimsonSkies
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That pic of the DS and the Sony PSP is crazy. The DS looks like something Fisher Price came out with in comparison. I'm still thinking about a PSP for the media playback, but I'm definitely going to let it be out at least a year StateSide before I do.
MassiveAttack said:
So, you assume that only consumers that currently buy handhelds will be interested in PSP. Using this logic, then I'd agree that the Xenon will have no impact on the sales of PSP next fall.
But, wouldn't it be more logical that the PSP would entice current PS2/GCN/Xbox owners into purchasing it rather than just the consumers who have only been purchasing GBAs? If so, then wouldn't these same consumers walk into the store and see a PSP for $199 and a Xenon for $299 and say that the Xenon would be the better deal? Couldn't they be more enticed to go for that system over the PSP?
It seems to work that way when arguing for the PSP over the DS.
GBA was $100. Xbox and PS2 were $299. That's a $200 difference. Besides, the PSP isn't aimed at GBA gamers, it's aimed at PS2/GCN/Xbox gamers. Wouldn't they be more interested in the Xenon, if it were to launch next fall?
I don't think it's that stupid, actually.
The way I see it is the base model might be more for the experts. The ones who own a kickass computer setup and have a network in their home. The HDD in their computer can be used as the HDD in the Xenon.
The Xenon with the HDD built-in could be for others who don't have such a great computer setup and don't have a network running in their home.
something most haven't considered is the fact that with increasingly powerful technology comes increasing production values and hence cost.
With the power of PSP, people are going to demand FFX, GTA, MGS, Silent hill quality games. And unless they're all ports, they're gonna cost a lot to make, and probably cost. I expect a LOT of ports (like GBA) in both directions.
Having said that, DS may fair no better, as developers struggle to use the DS' features in an innovative way, thus also raising developmetn costs. Unless they simply add a map and pseudo analogue controls.
oe the next gen of home consoles gets under way, though, and PSP can really take advantage...
With the power of PSP, people are going to demand FFX, GTA, MGS, Silent hill quality games. And unless they're all ports, they're gonna cost a lot to make, and probably cost. I expect a LOT of ports (like GBA) in both directions.
Having said that, DS may fair no better, as developers struggle to use the DS' features in an innovative way, thus also raising developmetn costs. Unless they simply add a map and pseudo analogue controls.
oe the next gen of home consoles gets under way, though, and PSP can really take advantage...
Marty Chinn
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I still believe that once software becomes available, the Nintendo DS could offer the better gameplay experience by offering new ways of playing games and new concepts that haven't been done before. Unfortunately, that time is not now or the near future.
The Nintendo DS launch line up is almost a disaster. I dare say its one of the worst launch lineups in console and portable gaming history. I've always been a huge Nintendo fan and I've owned every Nintendo system from the SNES on at launch. That includes a US SNES, Japanese GB Color, Japanese GBA, US Virtual Boy, Japanese N64, and Japanese GC. In fact I stood in the line, what line there was, to get a Japanese GC on day one. I did not get a Nintendo DS at launch because the software line up was terrible. Nintendo's own offering was just Mario 64 DS? Come on that's poor for even Nintendo. Metroid should have been launch, Wario Ware should have been ready. Heck Wario launched in Japan and won't be ready until February in the US. This is just a terrible software launch for the Nintendo DS. Add on top that the software looks like a generation gap between the PSP right now, and it just doesn't look impressive at all. I still believe once the big guns come out and the developers start taking advantage of the two screens and touch interface, the Nintendo DS will be great, but until then, it's hard for me to praise it. I still have trouble actually wanting to buy any games for the system even though I did get one for Christmas.
Now the PSP on the otherhand, I was pretty down on it thinking while it was more fancy, that it offered nothing new to portable games except stuff that looked better. To a degree that is still true, but the difference in hardware capabilities between it and the DS let alone anything else out there is just too significant this time around. The launch line up, an impressive nineteen games, has plenty of good to great titles in it. I can't honestly think of a better launch line up of software that actually held up in the quality of the title that is better than the PSP's. Heck, just think how small launch line ups in Japan are normally. You're lucky to get 5 titles and at most 10. But here we got almost 20? Ridge Racer, Vampire Chronicles, Lumines, Minna no Golf, Metal Gear Acid, and Dynasty Warriors all are good titles, and they're all launch software.
I'm sorry but right now it's just hard for me to even grasp the thought that the Nintendo DS has better software than the PSP, let alone a better launch line up. The simple fact taht people claiming you can just play games similiar to them on the PS2 should be testiment enough. Heck it's a weak argument to put down the PSP because honestly, other than a couple of titles, what on the GBA and Nintendo DS can you not get the same experience from other consoles?
The Nintendo DS launch line up is almost a disaster. I dare say its one of the worst launch lineups in console and portable gaming history. I've always been a huge Nintendo fan and I've owned every Nintendo system from the SNES on at launch. That includes a US SNES, Japanese GB Color, Japanese GBA, US Virtual Boy, Japanese N64, and Japanese GC. In fact I stood in the line, what line there was, to get a Japanese GC on day one. I did not get a Nintendo DS at launch because the software line up was terrible. Nintendo's own offering was just Mario 64 DS? Come on that's poor for even Nintendo. Metroid should have been launch, Wario Ware should have been ready. Heck Wario launched in Japan and won't be ready until February in the US. This is just a terrible software launch for the Nintendo DS. Add on top that the software looks like a generation gap between the PSP right now, and it just doesn't look impressive at all. I still believe once the big guns come out and the developers start taking advantage of the two screens and touch interface, the Nintendo DS will be great, but until then, it's hard for me to praise it. I still have trouble actually wanting to buy any games for the system even though I did get one for Christmas.
Now the PSP on the otherhand, I was pretty down on it thinking while it was more fancy, that it offered nothing new to portable games except stuff that looked better. To a degree that is still true, but the difference in hardware capabilities between it and the DS let alone anything else out there is just too significant this time around. The launch line up, an impressive nineteen games, has plenty of good to great titles in it. I can't honestly think of a better launch line up of software that actually held up in the quality of the title that is better than the PSP's. Heck, just think how small launch line ups in Japan are normally. You're lucky to get 5 titles and at most 10. But here we got almost 20? Ridge Racer, Vampire Chronicles, Lumines, Minna no Golf, Metal Gear Acid, and Dynasty Warriors all are good titles, and they're all launch software.
I'm sorry but right now it's just hard for me to even grasp the thought that the Nintendo DS has better software than the PSP, let alone a better launch line up. The simple fact taht people claiming you can just play games similiar to them on the PS2 should be testiment enough. Heck it's a weak argument to put down the PSP because honestly, other than a couple of titles, what on the GBA and Nintendo DS can you not get the same experience from other consoles?
Legal Step
Member
You people make me laugh.
Oh come on guys, really? We had to do this thread again? And yet, like a moth to a flame, I have to reply. It's so compulsive. I'm perpetually drawn to this sort of diaster.
But instead of being too serious I'll just reply to the lollerific worthy posts or the slightly off-kilter ones:
Ok, but, see... you can't be subjective while saying "The DS has already shown itself to be the far better puzzle game system." Even if this is true - Zoo Keeper, Chokkan Hitofude and soon Meteos might say this is - you certainly can't say DS has shown this to be true based on the Lumines vs. Hitofude comparrison. Even if I believed you played Hitofude or the PSP, which I don't, herein it is subjective. Both offer different puzzle experiences are both are supposed to be intense fun. I won't judge either of them until I played them, but your post reaks of insecurity.
Also, if you have fun on one system and fun on the other and yet one is fun + awesome audio/visual presentation, which would be better? If they're both equally fun would not the one with the better audio/visual presentation win? Just a boomerrang!
And this! :lol :lol
You're the best, seismologist. A comedian set in platinum shoes.
The problem with this argument, which is always the problem when relating the handheld industry to the console one, is that handhelds are portable while consoles are not. Nobody is going to lug their massive Xenon from one place to the next to get their portable experience - they're either going to get DS or PSP. It's that simple. So while certainly the visual luster will lose a bit of its charm after the Xenon/PS3/GC rush it'll still be a major factor in determining which portable someone wants since it offers different opportunities. Gaming on the Go!
But instead of being too serious I'll just reply to the lollerific worthy posts or the slightly off-kilter ones:
seismologist said:
Ok, but, see... you can't be subjective while saying "The DS has already shown itself to be the far better puzzle game system." Even if this is true - Zoo Keeper, Chokkan Hitofude and soon Meteos might say this is - you certainly can't say DS has shown this to be true based on the Lumines vs. Hitofude comparrison. Even if I believed you played Hitofude or the PSP, which I don't, herein it is subjective. Both offer different puzzle experiences are both are supposed to be intense fun. I won't judge either of them until I played them, but your post reaks of insecurity.
Also, if you have fun on one system and fun on the other and yet one is fun + awesome audio/visual presentation, which would be better? If they're both equally fun would not the one with the better audio/visual presentation win? Just a boomerrang!
seismologist said:
And this! :lol :lol
You're the best, seismologist. A comedian set in platinum shoes.
Spike said:
The problem with this argument, which is always the problem when relating the handheld industry to the console one, is that handhelds are portable while consoles are not. Nobody is going to lug their massive Xenon from one place to the next to get their portable experience - they're either going to get DS or PSP. It's that simple. So while certainly the visual luster will lose a bit of its charm after the Xenon/PS3/GC rush it'll still be a major factor in determining which portable someone wants since it offers different opportunities. Gaming on the Go!
Virgin Wii
Banned
Stinkles said:
Wow, DS doesn't look as bad as I thought compared to the PSP. I still prefer the PSP design, but it's not like Jennifer Connelly sitting next to an ugly girl or something. You can tell they are both sleek looking machines in that pic.
The only reason I'm suprised the DS looks so good is because I've seen another comparison pic. It was an unplayed DS with 3 people sitting and playing PSPs at a table. The DS looked like shit in that shot.
Virgin Wii
Banned
And here it is!
RE4 vs. SH4 said:And here it is!
Yup, seen this pic many times before plastered all over the internet
May I ask what changed between this pic and the one posted at the start of this thread? I mean, imho the DS always held up fairly well... but I don't know what changed between that pic and the one at this threads start
Virgin Wii
Banned
Maybe it's just the PSP that changed. The lighting is different, so it doesn't have the glossy goodness advantage.
DJPS2 said:
So you don't consider PSP competition? And don't pull that shortage shit on me, the DS still did 150k+(only second to PSP's 200k+) the week PSP launched and then went back upto 190k to 200k per week during the shortage.
But PSP still = get mainly because of the sexiness of Lumines.
MassiveAttack
Banned
captainbiotch
Banned
I feel like a retard for liking this forum sometimes. How so many people can act so childish over some handhelds boggles me.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I think both systems look sweet
Virgin Wii
Banned
MassiveAttack said:
I really hope Lumines gets published here.