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[kumanoki]

i firmly stand by the one true fact in music. Whatever has a catchy beat becomes popular.

Fixed.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

No, it doesn't. It is far from true. Big L is one of the greatest rappers of all-time. To most people, you'll hear a who is that? Fans of respective genres that go beneath the mainstream surface find your statement to be dreadfully false

obviously i disagree because if he was the one of the greatest rapper of all-time he would be one of the most popular rapper of all time. Thats how math in my reality works. Good Rap = people like. people like = pass on to other people. lots of people = SUPER POPULAR

unless theres this secrect agenda in the music world that holds down certain greatest muscians of all time from obtaining success.

there is also a fine line in music. Theres music that is technically good and other musicians appreciate. then there is obviously pop no brainer insta jingles.

 

[Diablos]

No, it doesn't. It is far from true. Big L is one of the greatest rappers of all-time. To most people, you'll hear a who is that? Fans of respective genres that go beneath the mainstream surface find your statement to be dreadfully false

Thank you. I'm no fan of rap, I never ever listen to it - but I kind of know where you're coming from. I'd rather listen to 2Pac and Compton's Most Wanted instead of most mainstream rap today. The same argument applies to so many genres of music.

 

[kumanoki]

unless theres this secrect agenda in the music world that holds down certain greatest muscians of all time from obtaining success.

$$$$MONEY$$$$

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

you also have to go into what popular is. Big L is popular in the underground rap world you speak of then ok he is a good rapper and is popular.

yeah money. because the industry doesnt want to make money from the greatest rappers nobody ever heard of.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

btw i just would like to say all you indie fucks that compain that nobody listens to your music! it should be popular! are the same people that will cry and hate their bands for selling out. go suck a fuck

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

In 1996, Garth Brooks refused his American Music Award for favorite overall artist. Brooks said Hootie and the Blowfish did more for music that year than he did.

 

[kumanoki]

you also have to go into what popular is. Big L is popular in the underground rap world you speak of then ok he is a good rapper and is popular.

yeah money. because the industry doesnt want to make money from the greatest rappers nobody ever heard of.

Record companies can't promote everyone on the planet. Often they have to choose between artist with similar sounds. I know for a fact that radio stations and parent companies like Clearchannel push certain artist over others in order to push a talent into making them more listeners, more money...while ignoring other comparable talent.

 

[Diablos]

btw i just would like to say all you indie fucks that compain that nobody listens to your music! it should be popular! are the same people that will cry and hate their bands for selling out. go suck a fuck

Wha?

I don't hate Radiohead or SP or Pearl Jam or Deftones for "selling out". These are just the names that popped into my head for five seconds. Selling out and reamining talented and creative is one thing. Selling out and not caring afterwards is another - and that's what we're seeing and hearing today. In every category, pretty much.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

in the year 1981 i was born.

trivia is fun for the whole family.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

Wha?

I don't hate Radiohead or SP or Pearl Jam or Deftones for "selling out". These are just the names that popped into my head for five seconds. Selling out and reamining talented and creative is one thing. Selling out and not caring afterwards is another - and that's what we're seeing and hearing today. In every category, pretty much.

i wasn't taking a shot at you. More at the 1000 of sXe scene kid hypsters that LOOOOVVVVEEE their music so much.

they are so unique so different yet they need their music to define who they are. poor misunderstood talented souls they are. can i get some tears?

 

[Diablos]

Okay.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

Record companies can't promote everyone on the planet. Often they have to choose between artist with similar sounds. I know for a fact that radio stations and parent companies like Clearchannel push certain artist over others in order to push a talent into making them more listeners, more money...while ignoring other comparable talent.

you are right, and we also know that they scout like crazy for the next talent. Its even popular to do so now! AMERICAN IDOLS.

but maybe you are right, maybe the great talent gets skipped over while people who can be more MARKETED are picked up. Actually you are right. We dont see many fat musical talents on mtv do we

 

[hXc_thugg]

Actually you are right. We dont see many fat musical talents on mtv do we

That guy in Coheed and Cambria is pretty fat.

Coheed and Cambria sucks.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

i love that band.

 

[hXc_thugg]

You also said this...

rock desperately needs a new set of kurt cobains, billy corgans, trent reznors.....BADLY! BAADDDDLLLYYYYY.

 

[Diablos]

There never will be a new set of Kurt Cobains, Billy Corgans or Trent Reznors.

When SP reunites in a few years as Jimmy almost confirmed in three interviews now, that should be good enough for you megafoo

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

i'll be happy when Portishead releases a new cd and I get a girlfriend i can fuck along with it

 

[Diablos]

i'll be happy when Portishead releases a new cd and I get a girlfriend i can fuck along with it

I'll never forget the time you were on IRC saying you had your laptop on a girl's back WHILE you were having sex.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

i told you i was hardcore

 

[Diablos]

Right.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

well diablos if this means anything you are my favourite poster on gaf and im glad youre back because atleast you talk in threads.

be my friendosaraus.

 

[Diablos]

well diablos if this means anything you are my favourite poster on gaf and im glad your back because atleast you talk in threads.

:lol Awesome.

 

[Shinobi]

btw i just would like to say all you indie fucks that compain that nobody listens to your music! it should be popular! are the same people that will cry and hate their bands for selling out. go suck a fuck

:lol :lol :lol So true...

Half the problem for the Grammys now is that there are too many fucking award shows now. And with all the entertainment choices available now (gaming, DVD, the net), there's really no compelling reason to watch an award show where you don't even know half the names of the artists in question. At least with the Oscars (the grandaddy of all award shows) there's more familiarity to the movies in question. Still, don't be surprised if ratings fall sharply there.

 

[ElyrionX]

Grammys are too mainstream for my taste. Even if they had a category for best metal band, it would probably go to Linkin-fucking-Park, which is probably the most untalented band around.....

 

[megateto]

I know for a fact that radio stations and parent companies like Clearchannel push certain artist over others in order to push a talent into making them more listeners, more money...while ignoring other comparable talent.

I know for a fact that in order to get into the list of a national Spanish radio station, in fact, the most popular (with all the bad things it implies XD), you have to pay big $$$.

Oh, and thanks for the Gareth Brooks details.

 

[bob_arctor]

obviously i disagree because if he was the one of the greatest rapper of all-time he would be one of the most popular rapper of all time. Thats how math in my reality works. Good Rap = people like. people like = pass on to other people. lots of people = SUPER POPULAR

unless theres this secrect agenda in the music world that holds down certain greatest muscians of all time from obtaining success.

there is also a fine line in music. Theres music that is technically good and other musicians appreciate. then there is obviously pop no brainer insta jingles.

1st of all, I am shocked and amazed that Big L was even mentioned. And Big L, while loved by those "in-the-know" and one of the greatest freestyle/punchline MC's of ALL TIME ("Battling me is like fighting a gorilla in a phone booth!"), died a relative unknown, he was on the verge of mainstream success prior to his murder (rumor was that he was going to be signed to Roc-A-Fella).

And Chavez, your math sucks.

And while we're at it, lemme throw O.C. into the mix as another sadly overlooked and incredible MC.

 

[Shinobi]

Ratings for awards shows plunge

By BILL BRIOUX - Toronto Sun



Have we finally fallen out of love with J.Lo, Britney, Paris or the other seven people we've been obsessed with the past few years?

Ratings for awards shows are falling faster than Joan Rivers' latest facelift. Sunday's Grammy Awards (CBS: 19.41 million viewers) were down a whopping 24% compared with a year ago stateside. Not only did it not win the week, it didn't even win the timeslot, where it was beaten by ABC's Desperate Housewives (22.13 million viewers).

It was the same story in Canada, where CTV's not-so-Desperate Housewives (2.25 million) easily beat Global's Grammys (1.61 million).

More telling, perhaps, was the huge drop in pre-show ratings. E!'s Live from the Red Carpet, hosted by Star Jones Reynolds (and seen locally on Star!), plummeted 42% in the U.S. from the year before (when Joan and Melissa did it). The dip can't all be blamed on Star-fawning-Jones. She pulled more than twice the viewers the Rivers girls did Sunday on their new U.S. cable home, the TV Guide Channel.

The trend isn't limited to The Grammys.

Ratings for last month's Golden Globes were down nearly 40% from the year before. That show pulled 16.7 million U.S. viewers on NBC, where it came third in its timeslot behind unstoppable Desperate Housewives (24 million) and CBS's Cold Case.

It was the least-watched Globes ever on NBC and the biggest Globes flop on network TV since 1982. Again, the red carpet show was down from the year before.

It gets worse. Ratings from last September's 2004 Emmy Awards slipped to 14 million ABC viewers --the smallest Emmy audience since 1990. That represented a 34% drop in the 18-49-year-old demographic year-to-year.

The downward trend must be of concern to CTV, which has both The Academy Awards (Feb. 27) and The Junos (April 3 from Winnipeg) on their calendar. Last year's Juno broadcast on CTV was down sharply from the year before, despite host Alanis Morissette getting nearly naked.

ABC hopes hip host Chris Rock can goose this year's Oscar broadcast. But without anything close to a Lord Of The Rings blockbuster among the contenders, Rock is looking at a much smaller room.

It could just be that, no matter who is hosting, we're just burnt out on the same stars fetching the same hardware. Other theories:

* Their 15 minutes are up. Paris? Not hot. J.Lo? S.O.L. Madonna, Britney, Julia, Jennifer ... we're bored with you. Sell us something we want or quit wasting our time.

* The wall of entertainment magazine noise from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. every night has drained every ounce of interest in what Brad Pitt or Jennifer Aniston are wearing -- or who.

* All these American and Canadian Idol weenies have watered down the concept of celebrity to the point that there is no distinction to being a star anymore -- and hence no interest.

* Today's film, music and TV -- bad.

* People would rather watch Desperate Housewives than desperate celebrities.

* Awards shows are stupid.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2005/02/16/932083.html

 

[Star Power]

The Grammy's NEVER get good ratings. They've been complaining about this for the past few years...