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GTA 4 HIJACKS PS3!

US PlayStation Mag lifts the lid on brand new next-gen GTA title, more MGS 4 details revealed

PSM, the US's best-selling PlayStation Magazine, has unveiled some juicy game-related PS3 morsels alongside a provisional list of more or less confirmed game titles set to hit Sony's next-gen console, heavily rumoured to burst from Ken Kuturagi's loins next summer.

PSM cites conversations with a variety of developers, many who've recently received PS3 development hardware, as the source for their list. Rockstar North is said to have had its dev kit since August this year and is currently working on a brand new game engine for their next-gen GTA titles. Rockstar is aiming to create a photo-realistic city for GTA 4, complete with seriously advanced AI for the game's NPCs.
 
I can't wait to see a next gen GTA as much as the next guy....but going for a photo realistic look, I don't know, it might be a bit much, it get's a lot of flak as is as cartoony as it looks.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
I can't wait to see a next gen GTA as much as the next guy....but going for a photo realistic look, I don't know, it might be a bit much, it get's a lot of flak as is as cartoony as it looks.

Super Adults Only!
 
ZombieSupaStar said:
all they need to do is put some sorta vchip in ps3 360

then parents cant say anything
Right, just like how the congressionally mandated v-chip that's in every television has slowed the push towards increased TV censorship. O wai
 
B.S. article or not, what are the chances of seeing this before 2007? Two years of development went into GTASA, and that was using renderware. Even if they use UE3 as the rumors have suggested, they still have to create all the different scenery for the city/cities in the game.
 
Well, I wouldn't say they were striving for "cartoony" with the current games, and I think they know as well as anyone that they need to spend all of the extra horsepower striving to make the experience more lifelike, or else someone will swoop in and do it for them, possibly undermining the biggest franchise of the generation.

I think they'd know pretty damn well from this generation that if one takes a revered franchise known for its immersion and then TURNS IT INTO A CARTOON, there's going to be a huge enough backlash that the entire hardware platform might be taken back a step or two. In case you don't get which one,
you know, like Wind Waker[/i]

But yes, of course as GTA gets more realistic, critics will be more vehement in their demands to police it. Hell, GTA:SA would look pretty mild compared to any ghetto movie worth its salt. Training Day makes its scenes look like a picnic. What people freak out about is the thought that even in their safe, white suburbs, their kids could be empowered to commit all sorts of atrocities digitally, a field that parents often don't have a comfortable grasp of. I hope they go all out and shoot for the equivalent of an R-rating, which would be just an M (just like R movies are easy to get into by all); hopefully someone can bring up that point for once, instead of treating gaming like an island with no other forms of media to compare its content to.

Nevertheless, I don't think an AO rating could stop the next GTA game, if anything an AO rating coupled with a massive mail-order-only launch bonanza would be one of the industry's crowning achievements in media coverage and sales, and might actually usher in a period where publishers can get away with reselling games themselves, cutting out assbackwards middlemen like Gamestop and reaping WAY MORE profit because of it.

Mail-Order Future!
 
qirex said:
Right, just like how the congressionally mandated v-chip that's in every television has slowed the push towards increased TV censorship. O wai
I wish I could come up with something sassy right now to say to you, just because I could.
 
If GTA wasn't for the PS3, it would be kinda stupid on R*'s part, wouldn't it? I mean, the game sold a fuckton on PS2 exclusivity (before ports). It will single-handedly hand the West to the system and ensure them a massive fanbase to sell to. This is one thing I am almost sure DCharlie is wrong on. Not b/c I have insider info over him, but b/c it would make no sense otherwise. PS3 seems the sure bet, and going for photorealism seems like the obvious step this series will take. I don't think the visual presentation of the game to date has anything to do with art style so much as hardware/engine limitations. Trying to go photoreal with that cludgy engine would have looked awful, to say the least. With all games going for thousands of people on screen, at high detail, this seems like the clear direction the series will take. I will only ask once again that the next progression incorporate some of the hood-hanging action of Pursuit Force. PEACE.
 
Mooreberg said:
B.S. article or not, what are the chances of seeing this before 2007? Two years of development went into GTASA, and that was using renderware. Even if they use UE3 as the rumors have suggested, they still have to create all the different scenery for the city/cities in the game.

Using RenderWare isn't faster than writing your own engine. It will get things up on the screen much faster, but for any decent sized game it becomes a nightmare to work with. The second half of every RenderWare project I've known has been a painful struggle to work around it. However, other middleware packages are worse.

None of my Rockstar friends work on GTA stuff, but I would be surprised if the GTA guys weren't thankful to be rid of RenderWare.
 
Syb said:
Bullshit.

I like the cartoony look. DRIV3R is all realistic and it err, blows.

Yes.. But that's not WHY it blows..

Hey, so why are they acting as if having development kits for, at the most, 5 weeks, is some great thing?
 
Zeo said:
Yes.. But that's not WHY it blows..

Hey, so why are they acting as if having development kits for, at the most, 5 weeks, is some great thing?

Ah! DRIV3R blows because its a buggy piece of crap thats err, crap. DRIV3R looks crap because it tried to be photorealistic.
 
I'm over the GTA thing.

When GTA3 came out I thought it was the greatest thing since ring pops, and I played it till my fingers went raw. Then Vice City came out, and it was even better, and I played it till my fingers fell off. But for some reason, San Andreas did nothing for me. Maybe it was because it was essentialy the same game I had been playing for years now, or maybe it was because I could no longer could enjoy ring pops, but in any event I played about 3/4 of the way through the story before turning it off one day, and have never picking it up again.
 
"This is one thing I am almost sure DCharlie is wrong on. Not b/c I have insider info over him, but b/c it would make no sense otherwise."

well, i'd say it's more like this - if the X360 sells like hot cakes and MS offer more cash than sony do for exclusivity, then you could well see a timed exclusive on the X360. It's simply about leveraging their brand and getting the best possible deal. If the X360 bombs and the userbase is small, then it doesn't make much sense to put the game out on that platform.

Similarly, i doubt they see the compulsion to burst their asses on a PS3 launch period game when they can wait a year or two, put out a killer title and sell to a much larger userbase.

This isn't a question of fanboyism, it's just a question of R* doing what's good for the business. And from what i hear, it IS sony who are making all the right moves and it sounds like they are doing a great job of offering alternatives.

Again, i'd be surprised if an announcement is made any time soon.
 
This is what PSM, the source of the info, actually said on this subject:

The next GTA game is going to look really good. Actually, maybe that should be feel really good. It's a no-brainer that on the most powerful games console yet, one of our favorite series will have better graphics. But based on developer Rockstar North's technical research, GTA4 will be more about immersion than just mere eye candy.

Rockstar North is creating a specialized game engine for PS3 that will bring GTA 4 to life to a degree that the PS2 games could only hint at. Specifically, they're going to be using the high data transfer bandwidth of the Cell CPU, RSX GPU, and Blu-ray Disc to use several streams of game info simultaneously. The game's city - unfortunately yet to be even hinted at - will still be free roaming and seamless, but broken down into smaller, more deatailed areas at the engine level, into which the game designers are going to be able to pour more textures, more object variety, and tons of details (such as discarded soda cans with their own physics), just for starters. The goal is a city that's less repetitive and where everything - and everyone - looks and acts more like they would in the real world on every level.

True? Say it ain't so? You decide!
 
"True? Say it ain't so? You decide!"

personally, it just sounds like fluff.
you could say what they are saying in this about just about any game.

"GT5/MGS4/Jak4/Killzone3 is on it's way for PS3! and this time , it's going to look better... or should we say FEEL better. Amazing graphics! Lots of physics! More textures! More details ! Just amazing! Look out for it!"

i dunno - it's just no brainer stuff.
 
DCharlie said:
"This is one thing I am almost sure DCharlie is wrong on. Not b/c I have insider info over him, but b/c it would make no sense otherwise."

well, i'd say it's more like this - if the X360 sells like hot cakes and MS offer more cash than sony do for exclusivity, then you could well see a timed exclusive on the X360. It's simply about leveraging their brand and getting the best possible deal. If the X360 bombs and the userbase is small, then it doesn't make much sense to put the game out on that platform.

Similarly, i doubt they see the compulsion to burst their asses on a PS3 launch period game when they can wait a year or two, put out a killer title and sell to a much larger userbase.

This isn't a question of fanboyism, it's just a question of R* doing what's good for the business. And from what i hear, it IS sony who are making all the right moves and it sounds like they are doing a great job of offering alternatives.

Again, i'd be surprised if an announcement is made any time soon.
I don't expect GTA4 to be a launch window game. But that has nothing to do with it coming to the PS3. There's a 6-month difference between the PS3 and the 360. Unless the 360 sells 3M units over the holidays in the West alone, there's not a whole lot of difference to R*. GTA sells to a percentage of the userbase. It can't hope of selling 1:1. So the 360 will essentially have to match the PS2 in the West, and that's just not gonna happen IMO. And if it doesn't, the PS3 is clearly the better option since I think it would take a MS fan to expect the 360 to sell on par with the PS3. I don't expect GTA4 until 2007, and IMO, I don't see the 360 matching the PS3 in any territory short of the US (assuming it does significant sales this Xmas). I don't see what's in it for R* at this point, risking alienating their base. Meh, we'll see, but this one just seems like the no-brainer it is. Much like MGS4 is a bit of a no-brainer, along with the next FF. Only diff I could see is if GTA4 is MMO. PEACE.
 
DCharlie said:
personally, it just sounds like fluff.
you could say what they are saying in this about just about any game.

"GT5/MGS4/Jak4/Killzone3 is on it's way for PS3! and this time , it's going to look better... or should we say FEEL better. Amazing graphics! Lots of physics! More textures! More details ! Just amazing! Look out for it!"

i dunno - it's just no brainer stuff.

Toy Story 2 in realtime.
 
DCharlie said:
personally, it just sounds like fluff.
you could say what they are saying in this about just about any game.

"GT5/MGS4/Jak4/Killzone3 is on it's way for PS3! and this time , it's going to look better... or should we say FEEL better. Amazing graphics! Lots of physics! More textures! More details ! Just amazing! Look out for it!"

i dunno - it's just no brainer stuff.

No doubt. But a story THAT big, officially confirming GTA4 in existence for PS3 (however much of a no-brainer it may seem to people), seems pretty shaky to just pull from thin air.
 
Amir0x said:
No doubt. But a story THAT big, officially confirming GTA4 in existence for PS3 (however much of a no-brainer it may seem to people), seems pretty shaky to just pull from thin air.
They probably got it from Izzy :lol

Seriously, it's way too early to decide the platform for GTA4 unless serious moneyhats are involved, and if that were the case there would have been a press release from either Sony or MS saying "Woohoo! GTA4 coming to XXXXXX system next generation." That hasn't happened, so it looks like Rockstar is waiting for the eggs to hatch before counting the chickens. They're Scottish, don't expect them to go making blundering financial decisions now ;)
 
Jonnyram said:
They probably got it from Izzy :lol

;)

Jonnyram said:
Seriously, it's way too early to decide the platform for GTA4 unless serious moneyhats are involved, and if that were the case there would have been a press release from either Sony or MS saying "Woohoo! GTA4 coming to XXXXXX system next generation." That hasn't happened, so it looks like Rockstar is waiting for the eggs to hatch before counting the chickens. They're Scottish, don't expect them to go making blundering financial decisions now ;)

For the life of me, of all the arguments I've heard about this subject, this is ALWAYS the weakest to me. I just cannot fathom this. I know DCharlie says that, and I know others have suggested as much. But this is THE single biggest franchise of the current generation. I cannot imagine that they haven't laid out some very big plans already, to try to catapult the series even further for next-gen. It's always about how financially feasible these things are, right. But doing the right things, hitting the big slots... it's always a bit of a gamble. And if neither Microsoft nor Sony has dished up the cash for the franchise yet, no matter how large the sum, they are the biggest fucking idiots on the planet. Waiting too long is a recipe for disaster, as it risks another franchise overshadowing it or taking its place. Not to mention as a company, revenue from GTA series is absolutely critical. It's like 34% this year, and more for next year. A considerable gap when people switch to next-gen will be the ticket to irrelevance in the coming gen.

So I don't buy it. I agree it's way too early to show shit, especially how GTA games are usually revealed. But no plans for it yet? I guess we'll know eventually just when they made these deals.
 
Developers don't just sit around waiting for the biggest check to arrive in the mail.

Rockstar knows exactly which platform the next GTA is going to be targeted for. Rockstar knew which platform the next GTA would be targeted at a year ago.
 
Amir0x said:
And if neither Microsoft nor Sony has dished up the cash for the franchise yet, no matter how large the sum, they are the biggest fucking idiots on the planet. Waiting too long is a recipe for disaster, as it risks another franchise overshadowing it or taking its place.
I would assume Rockstar is trying to get the best deal and taking a long time over it. They're probably just going back and forth between MS and Sony getting the deal a little better each time, while the game is in development on a PC base.
 
"Rockstar knows exactly which platform the next GTA is going to be targeted for. Rockstar knew which platform the next GTA would be targeted at a year ago."

There is a lot of things they could be doing that aren't platform specific.
Hell, there's middleware solutions that aren't platform specific too.
 
Jonnyram said:
I would assume Rockstar is trying to get the best deal and taking a long time over it. They're probably just going back and forth between MS and Sony getting the deal a little better each time, while the game is in development on a PC base.

Right, of course. And I'm assuming the best deal already came, and they've started pre-production for next-gen GTA or whatever.
 
"Right, of course. And I'm assuming the best deal already came, and they've started pre-production for next-gen GTA or whatever."
remember - that the intelligent company will not just whack down cash, they'll do something "more".

at the moment, that company is Sony.

We'll wait and see if their approach works - infact, half of me wants to see Sony get it because they did something very right, half me want to see X360 get it so i can see the sony fanboys cry ;)
 
DCharlie said:
remember - that the intelligent company will not just whack down cash, they'll do something "more".

Yeah, Free advertising, waive royalty fees, etc...

DCharlie said:
at the moment, that company is Sony.

We'll wait and see if their approach works - infact, half of me wants to see Sony get it because they did something very right, half me want to see X360 get it so i can see the sony fanboys cry ;)

I always prefer the thing that causes the most controversy because I get so much of my daily entertainment from messageboards. So I'm with you.
 
ddkawaii said:
R* will release the next GTA game on the platform(s) that best maximize profits. We do not know which next-gen platform or platforms that will be.

Well we know it won't be Nintendo's console...
 
"R* will release the next GTA game on the platform(s) that best maximize profits. We do not know which next-gen platform or platforms that will be."

DD for the win... + it don't think it'll be a platform exclusive unless something REALLY bombs...
 
photo realistic? ugh.

it needs to be cel-shaded like the artwork for GTA:SA. yeah that's right, cel-shaded.

scola said:
I want a cel shaded GTA. is that wrong?
not at all
 
This is surprising ...

but errr the next gta i think it will be intresting to see if it sells like it did on the ps2 because i really cant think of anything else they can add minus filling your car up with petrol.

And in my opinion the stand out gta was vice city san andreas sucked balls the size of grapefruits.
 
DCharlie said:
THIS MONTHS C&VG ! COMPLETE WITH FREE WHAM! BAR!

There's Texan Bars out in the UK just now, but they suffer from the same "not nearly as big as they used to be" problem that Wham! Bars have.
 
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