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GTA 4
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HomerSimpson-Man
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I can't wait to see a next gen GTA as much as the next guy....but going for a photo realistic look, I don't know, it might be a bit much, it get's a lot of flak as is as cartoony as it looks.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
eh gta is damned if it does damned if it doesnt
go for it I say
go for it I say
brandonh83
Banned
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Super Adults Only!
ZombieSupaStar
Member
all they need to do is put some sorta vchip in ps3 360
then parents cant say anything
then parents cant say anything
UbiSoftologist
Member
Wyzdom said:
Yea...an inflection point in the GTA history...
B.S. article or not, what are the chances of seeing this before 2007? Two years of development went into GTASA, and that was using renderware. Even if they use UE3 as the rumors have suggested, they still have to create all the different scenery for the city/cities in the game.
Well, I wouldn't say they were striving for "cartoony" with the current games, and I think they know as well as anyone that they need to spend all of the extra horsepower striving to make the experience more lifelike, or else someone will swoop in and do it for them, possibly undermining the biggest franchise of the generation.
I think they'd know pretty damn well from this generation that if one takes a revered franchise known for its immersion and then TURNS IT INTO A CARTOON, there's going to be a huge enough backlash that the entire hardware platform might be taken back a step or two. In case you don't get which one,
I think they'd know pretty damn well from this generation that if one takes a revered franchise known for its immersion and then TURNS IT INTO A CARTOON, there's going to be a huge enough backlash that the entire hardware platform might be taken back a step or two. In case you don't get which one,
you know, like Wind Waker[/i]
But yes, of course as GTA gets more realistic, critics will be more vehement in their demands to police it. Hell, GTA:SA would look pretty mild compared to any ghetto movie worth its salt. Training Day makes its scenes look like a picnic. What people freak out about is the thought that even in their safe, white suburbs, their kids could be empowered to commit all sorts of atrocities digitally, a field that parents often don't have a comfortable grasp of. I hope they go all out and shoot for the equivalent of an R-rating, which would be just an M (just like R movies are easy to get into by all); hopefully someone can bring up that point for once, instead of treating gaming like an island with no other forms of media to compare its content to.
Nevertheless, I don't think an AO rating could stop the next GTA game, if anything an AO rating coupled with a massive mail-order-only launch bonanza would be one of the industry's crowning achievements in media coverage and sales, and might actually usher in a period where publishers can get away with reselling games themselves, cutting out assbackwards middlemen like Gamestop and reaping WAY MORE profit because of it.
Mail-Order Future!
But yes, of course as GTA gets more realistic, critics will be more vehement in their demands to police it. Hell, GTA:SA would look pretty mild compared to any ghetto movie worth its salt. Training Day makes its scenes look like a picnic. What people freak out about is the thought that even in their safe, white suburbs, their kids could be empowered to commit all sorts of atrocities digitally, a field that parents often don't have a comfortable grasp of. I hope they go all out and shoot for the equivalent of an R-rating, which would be just an M (just like R movies are easy to get into by all); hopefully someone can bring up that point for once, instead of treating gaming like an island with no other forms of media to compare its content to.
Nevertheless, I don't think an AO rating could stop the next GTA game, if anything an AO rating coupled with a massive mail-order-only launch bonanza would be one of the industry's crowning achievements in media coverage and sales, and might actually usher in a period where publishers can get away with reselling games themselves, cutting out assbackwards middlemen like Gamestop and reaping WAY MORE profit because of it.
Mail-Order Future!
If GTA wasn't for the PS3, it would be kinda stupid on R*'s part, wouldn't it? I mean, the game sold a fuckton on PS2 exclusivity (before ports). It will single-handedly hand the West to the system and ensure them a massive fanbase to sell to. This is one thing I am almost sure DCharlie is wrong on. Not b/c I have insider info over him, but b/c it would make no sense otherwise. PS3 seems the sure bet, and going for photorealism seems like the obvious step this series will take. I don't think the visual presentation of the game to date has anything to do with art style so much as hardware/engine limitations. Trying to go photoreal with that cludgy engine would have looked awful, to say the least. With all games going for thousands of people on screen, at high detail, this seems like the clear direction the series will take. I will only ask once again that the next progression incorporate some of the hood-hanging action of Pursuit Force. PEACE.
TheInkyVoid
Member
Mooreberg said:
Using RenderWare isn't faster than writing your own engine. It will get things up on the screen much faster, but for any decent sized game it becomes a nightmare to work with. The second half of every RenderWare project I've known has been a painful struggle to work around it. However, other middleware packages are worse.
None of my Rockstar friends work on GTA stuff, but I would be surprised if the GTA guys weren't thankful to be rid of RenderWare.
I'm over the GTA thing.
When GTA3 came out I thought it was the greatest thing since ring pops, and I played it till my fingers went raw. Then Vice City came out, and it was even better, and I played it till my fingers fell off. But for some reason, San Andreas did nothing for me. Maybe it was because it was essentialy the same game I had been playing for years now, or maybe it was because I could no longer could enjoy ring pops, but in any event I played about 3/4 of the way through the story before turning it off one day, and have never picking it up again.
When GTA3 came out I thought it was the greatest thing since ring pops, and I played it till my fingers went raw. Then Vice City came out, and it was even better, and I played it till my fingers fell off. But for some reason, San Andreas did nothing for me. Maybe it was because it was essentialy the same game I had been playing for years now, or maybe it was because I could no longer could enjoy ring pops, but in any event I played about 3/4 of the way through the story before turning it off one day, and have never picking it up again.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
"This is one thing I am almost sure DCharlie is wrong on. Not b/c I have insider info over him, but b/c it would make no sense otherwise."
well, i'd say it's more like this - if the X360 sells like hot cakes and MS offer more cash than sony do for exclusivity, then you could well see a timed exclusive on the X360. It's simply about leveraging their brand and getting the best possible deal. If the X360 bombs and the userbase is small, then it doesn't make much sense to put the game out on that platform.
Similarly, i doubt they see the compulsion to burst their asses on a PS3 launch period game when they can wait a year or two, put out a killer title and sell to a much larger userbase.
This isn't a question of fanboyism, it's just a question of R* doing what's good for the business. And from what i hear, it IS sony who are making all the right moves and it sounds like they are doing a great job of offering alternatives.
Again, i'd be surprised if an announcement is made any time soon.
well, i'd say it's more like this - if the X360 sells like hot cakes and MS offer more cash than sony do for exclusivity, then you could well see a timed exclusive on the X360. It's simply about leveraging their brand and getting the best possible deal. If the X360 bombs and the userbase is small, then it doesn't make much sense to put the game out on that platform.
Similarly, i doubt they see the compulsion to burst their asses on a PS3 launch period game when they can wait a year or two, put out a killer title and sell to a much larger userbase.
This isn't a question of fanboyism, it's just a question of R* doing what's good for the business. And from what i hear, it IS sony who are making all the right moves and it sounds like they are doing a great job of offering alternatives.
Again, i'd be surprised if an announcement is made any time soon.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
personally, it just sounds like fluff.
you could say what they are saying in this about just about any game.
"GT5/MGS4/Jak4/Killzone3 is on it's way for PS3! and this time , it's going to look better... or should we say FEEL better. Amazing graphics! Lots of physics! More textures! More details ! Just amazing! Look out for it!"
i dunno - it's just no brainer stuff.
I don't expect GTA4 to be a launch window game. But that has nothing to do with it coming to the PS3. There's a 6-month difference between the PS3 and the 360. Unless the 360 sells 3M units over the holidays in the West alone, there's not a whole lot of difference to R*. GTA sells to a percentage of the userbase. It can't hope of selling 1:1. So the 360 will essentially have to match the PS2 in the West, and that's just not gonna happen IMO. And if it doesn't, the PS3 is clearly the better option since I think it would take a MS fan to expect the 360 to sell on par with the PS3. I don't expect GTA4 until 2007, and IMO, I don't see the 360 matching the PS3 in any territory short of the US (assuming it does significant sales this Xmas). I don't see what's in it for R* at this point, risking alienating their base. Meh, we'll see, but this one just seems like the no-brainer it is. Much like MGS4 is a bit of a no-brainer, along with the next FF. Only diff I could see is if GTA4 is MMO. PEACE.DCharlie said:
ZombieSupaStar
Member
well if it was it be ROCKSTAR making a cartoon gta to entice 5 year olds!
there is no way they can win this, i say go for phtorealism
there is no way they can win this, i say go for phtorealism
They probably got it from Izzy :lolAmir0x said:
Seriously, it's way too early to decide the platform for GTA4 unless serious moneyhats are involved, and if that were the case there would have been a press release from either Sony or MS saying "Woohoo! GTA4 coming to XXXXXX system next generation." That hasn't happened, so it looks like Rockstar is waiting for the eggs to hatch before counting the chickens. They're Scottish, don't expect them to go making blundering financial decisions now
Jonnyram said:
Jonnyram said:Seriously, it's way too early to decide the platform for GTA4 unless serious moneyhats are involved, and if that were the case there would have been a press release from either Sony or MS saying "Woohoo! GTA4 coming to XXXXXX system next generation." That hasn't happened, so it looks like Rockstar is waiting for the eggs to hatch before counting the chickens. They're Scottish, don't expect them to go making blundering financial decisions now
For the life of me, of all the arguments I've heard about this subject, this is ALWAYS the weakest to me. I just cannot fathom this. I know DCharlie says that, and I know others have suggested as much. But this is THE single biggest franchise of the current generation. I cannot imagine that they haven't laid out some very big plans already, to try to catapult the series even further for next-gen. It's always about how financially feasible these things are, right. But doing the right things, hitting the big slots... it's always a bit of a gamble. And if neither Microsoft nor Sony has dished up the cash for the franchise yet, no matter how large the sum, they are the biggest fucking idiots on the planet. Waiting too long is a recipe for disaster, as it risks another franchise overshadowing it or taking its place. Not to mention as a company, revenue from GTA series is absolutely critical. It's like 34% this year, and more for next year. A considerable gap when people switch to next-gen will be the ticket to irrelevance in the coming gen.
So I don't buy it. I agree it's way too early to show shit, especially how GTA games are usually revealed. But no plans for it yet? I guess we'll know eventually just when they made these deals.
TheInkyVoid
Member
Developers don't just sit around waiting for the biggest check to arrive in the mail.
Rockstar knows exactly which platform the next GTA is going to be targeted for. Rockstar knew which platform the next GTA would be targeted at a year ago.
Rockstar knows exactly which platform the next GTA is going to be targeted for. Rockstar knew which platform the next GTA would be targeted at a year ago.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
remember - that the intelligent company will not just whack down cash, they'll do something "more".
at the moment, that company is Sony.
We'll wait and see if their approach works - infact, half of me wants to see Sony get it because they did something very right, half me want to see X360 get it so i can see the sony fanboys cry
DCharlie said:
Yeah, Free advertising, waive royalty fees, etc...
DCharlie said:at the moment, that company is Sony.
We'll wait and see if their approach works - infact, half of me wants to see Sony get it because they did something very right, half me want to see X360 get it so i can see the sony fanboys cry
I always prefer the thing that causes the most controversy because I get so much of my daily entertainment from messageboards. So I'm with you.
Hurricane_Chris
DDK
R* will release the next GTA game on the platform(s) that best maximize profits. We do not know which next-gen platform or platforms that will be.
Hydro_Alexis
Banned
This is surprising ...
but errr the next gta i think it will be intresting to see if it sells like it did on the ps2 because i really cant think of anything else they can add minus filling your car up with petrol.
And in my opinion the stand out gta was vice city san andreas sucked balls the size of grapefruits.
but errr the next gta i think it will be intresting to see if it sells like it did on the ps2 because i really cant think of anything else they can add minus filling your car up with petrol.
And in my opinion the stand out gta was vice city san andreas sucked balls the size of grapefruits.
