GVMERS The Tragedy and Comeback of Cyberpunk 2077

It seems Cyberpunk is profitable to talk about again. Crazy how this game is still in the zeitgeist given how hectic news are nowadays.
 
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I disagree so much with this argument about "CDPR/Cyberpunk's redemption arch"

I love the game, since day one. Played it broken af on my PS4 for more than 90 hours. I play it on PC and PS5 to this day.

But it's such a far cry from what was promissed, to this day

They fixed tons of bugs, correct, but added so little to the core of the game. So much for being an example of next gen open world games.

Shitty enemy AI, shitty pedestrian AI, city looks completely empty outside of downtown area, no side activities to immerse the player, no chases, no dynamic firefights between gangs and shit

It's all smoke and mirrors, since day one. They added transmog, something that should've been there from day one. Some apartments. Some new weapons. Now NPCs don't get teleported when you look away, I guess.

This is not a No Man's Sky situation. Not even close.

Those 20 M copies are 13M from release, then the rest from some deep sales (I can find the game for R$ 40,00 here in Brazil, which is dirty cheap) and Cyberpunk Edgerunners hype, not because they have completely changed the game for the better. It's basically the same game since launch but with fixed bugs + transmog.
 
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They are taking the no man's sky route. I'm curious to see how long they stick with the product, and how it matures over time.

Edit: to be clear, it's not analogous to no man's sky in its current state, just pointing to the fact that it looks like that's what CDPR is shooting for at the moment.
 
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MarkMe2525 said:
They are taking the no man's sky route. I'm curious to see how long they stick with the product, and how it matures over time.

Edit: to be clear, it's not analogous to no man's sky in its current state, just pointing to the fact that it looks like that's what CDPR is shooting for at the moment.
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dlc should also bring a lot of new gameplay content to the game (aside from the new story). i expect some more customization and new gameplay mechanics
 
MarkMe2525 said:
They are taking the no man's sky route. I'm curious to see how long they stick with the product, and how it matures over time.

Edit: to be clear, it's not analogous to no man's sky in its current state, just pointing to the fact that it looks like that's what CDPR is shooting for at the moment.
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In the almost 2 years since release, NMS had already released 3 major updates changing gameplay, adding multiplayer, base building, and who knows what else

Cyberpunk added next gen version, fixed some bugs and added transmog

If they are considering this a NMS situation, they arent showing us, at least yet. And they are sure as hell taking their sweet time to get there.

Imo, this NMS comparison is more wishful thinking from fans then actually justifiable from what CDPR delivered so far
 
MarkMe2525 said:
They are taking the no man's sky route. I'm curious to see how long they stick with the product, and how it matures over time.

Edit: to be clear, it's not analogous to no man's sky in its current state, just pointing to the fact that it looks like that's what CDPR is shooting for at the moment.
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lmfao no they are not. you're only setting people up for more disappointment saying shit like that. CDPR has said they are not treating the game like No Man's Sky.

we'll get another 1 or 2 big patches if we're lucky (1.7/1.8) and a paid expansion. there was meant to be 2 expansions but they scrapped one. so that's it. Patch 1.7, or potentially 2.0, is rumored to be a major patch that will rework parts of the game (so far Police/Vehicle Combat is all we know). Seems like we might get this before the expansion. It might release alongside the expansion... We might never get a 1.8/2.1.

Of course the expansion will add new features/gameplay but it'll be locked behind a paywall until whenever we get a "Enhanced Edition" of the game when it will be included in any new purchases. If you already own the game you'll still need to pay for that new version or the expansion itself.

I like Cyberpunk and wish CDPR would support it like Hello Games did NMS but it's not happening. CDPR are wanting to move onto the next Witcher game. Once the remaining patches and the expansion is out that's it. After that all we can rely on is mods created by the community through Redmod.
 
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My friend just started playing this on the PS5 and I'm glad he is enjoying the game now it has been patched to death. I personally won't go back to the game as I'm disappointed with the next gen update and lousy A.I, I also can't get past the early days of all the bugs and the crashes.

I've changed my mind about never buying a CDPR game again, but it certainly won't be day one again. I'm hoping the sequel of Cyberpunk 2077 will be much more polished and will have all the removed content from the first game implemented.
 
Bugs were never the problem, the game itself is the problem, it's not what they promised and it doesn't come close to being good.

nightmare-slain said:
After that all we can rely on is mods created by the community through Redmod.
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Not a bad idea to go the Skyrim route of releasing a mess of a game then having the community do the work for you to fix and improve the game.
 
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nightmare-slain said:
lmfao no they are not. you're only setting people up for more disappointment saying shit like that. CDPR has said they are not treating the game like No Man's Sky.

we'll get another 1 or 2 big patches if we're lucky (1.7/1.8) and a paid expansion. there was meant to be 2 expansions but they scrapped one. so that's it. Patch 1.7, or potentially 2.0, is rumored to be a major patch that will rework parts of the game (so far Police/Vehicle Combat is all we know). Seems like we might get this before the expansion. It might release alongside the expansion... We might never get a 1.8/2.1.

Of course the expansion will add new features/gameplay but it'll be locked behind a paywall until whenever we get a "Enhanced Edition" of the game when it will be included in any new purchases. If you already own the game you'll still need to pay for that new version or the expansion itself.

I like Cyberpunk and wish CDPR would support it like Hello Games did NMS but it's not happening. CDPR are wanting to move onto the next Witcher game. Once the remaining patches and the expansion is out that's it. After that all we can rely on is mods created by the community through Redmod.
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I mean, that's a lot of speculation. My comments were speculation as well, but I wasn't using said speculation to tell people they are wrong and then write a paragraph on how that is. Truth is, you me, nor anyone will know the final state of game until the dust has settled and final patches are announced.

In saying that, most developers would have given up already. So that right there leads me to believe that they are going to continue to invest resources into the project.
 
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it's like dating a gorgeous girl who only watches soaps and reality shows, it's fucking great for the first few weeks but then the cracks show and then the looks are simply not enough to put up with the souless personality, sums up the game for me, I loved it, thought it was amazing but the more I played it the more I couldn't get past the hollowness of the world, it looked incredible but I wanted it to be alive
 
Totally forgot how scummy CD Project Red and loads of news outlets were with the reviews.

Even now the NPC ai is ass, not even on par with GTA3. The world still feels empty and not lived in.
 
Stare-Bear said:
Totally forgot how scummy CD Project Red and loads of news outlets were with the reviews.

Even now the NPC ai is ass, not even on par with GTA3. The world still feels empty and not lived in.
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If I remember correctly, CD only sent PC and next gen versions for reviewers (or maybe it was just PC?). They purposely left out last gen versions which is hilarious.
 
Doesn't matter how much they polish up this turd.

The game is just not good and never will be. The gameplay systems suck.

I can see why graphics whores like it though. Very nice to look at.
 
GigaBowser said:
Doesn't matter how much they polish up this turd.

The game is just not good and never will be. The gameplay systems suck.

I can see why graphics whores like it though. Very nice to look at.
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butthurt GIF


Day one PC and still was one of the best games, not just due to its incredible atmosphere. Suck it.
 
RJMacready73 said:
it's like dating a gorgeous girl who only watches soaps and reality shows, it's fucking great for the first few weeks but then the cracks show and then the looks are simply not enough to put up with the souless personality, sums up the game for me, I loved it, thought it was amazing but the more I played it the more I couldn't get past the hollowness of the world, it looked incredible but I wanted it to be alive
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My thoughts exactly. I really wanted to like this game but it was so shallow and boring to play.

The Cockatrice said:
butthurt GIF


Day one PC and still was one of the best games, not just due to its incredible atmosphere. Suck it.
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Butthurt that I paid full price yes.

I tried going back and the experience is better now but the gameplay is just not fun.
 
nominedomine said:
Bugs were never the problem, the game itself is the problem, it's not what they promised and it doesn't come close to being good.


Not a bad idea to go the Skyrim route of releasing a mess of a game then having the community do the work for you to fix and improve the game.
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This.

I wish the bugs were the biggest issue with this game. It seems like its a game rushed and features scrapped and last minute altered to try to be a different game. The removal of the train system, AI not being able to drive cars to come after you, but having areas with gangs and a cop wanted start system (not sure how they are going to fucking catch you if they are not programmed to even drive), garage ports in the city (as if it was set up to allow you to customize or paint or mode vehicles), the fact that the trailer itself is telling you it can be customized is literal proof that this was stripped and they already had promotional stuff for it, but the CGI trailers show us a idea of what was being made in the game as consider the CGI was likely done by a different department and took a while to make.

From it being started to released online, those CGI trailers expose that was indeed a thing in that game as why tell us about such features? Even this whole rags to riches BS is because THAT is what the game was trying to do, but stripped those features to rush the release.

So it sounds like a game was really being made to fit those ideas that many of us sorta expect from open world stuff from Rockstar, Ubisoft etc, but it deeply falls short and the scramble to remove elements and change even the fucking genre of the game from RPG to "adventure". So I'm sure the team with enough funding, actual staff can really pull that off, but a publisher looking to pull the rug under them and rush it out, its unlikely they will put that much into this to make it a proper title that was originally promised.

We'd have to wait till a more competent publisher takes on this genre.

StreetsofBeige said:
If I remember correctly, CD only sent PC and next gen versions for reviewers (or maybe it was just PC?). They purposely left out last gen versions which is hilarious.
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Probably one of the scummest things I've seen done with reviews. Yet they were talking shit about EA? EA will put out some flops, but shit you'll still get a review of it being a flop before it releases, not embargos to hide fuck ups and shit lol
The Cockatrice said:
butthurt GIF


Day one PC and still was one of the best games, not just due to its incredible atmosphere. Suck it.
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lol, I love the world and idea of the city, but shit man, I still need a FUNCTIONAL GAME TO PLAY, not look at. I love what it was shaping up to be, but looks can only get you so far and I've liked many atmospheres to games, it has never stopped me from calling out fuckery man. Having a good setting simply isn't an excuse for lacking a functional game. This game is fighting to reach GTA 3 level concepts at this point. With what they struggled with and stripped, Watchdogs now looks like a fucking tech marvel based on what they were able to pull off.

AI can drives and come after you, you can hack many things, active train system that goes all over the city etc I'm going to always side with funtionality regarding something like this. Even if I wanted it to be a great game, I got to call a spade a spade on this one and I bought it day 1.
RJMacready73 said:
it's like dating a gorgeous girl who only watches soaps and reality shows, it's fucking great for the first few weeks but then the cracks show and then the looks are simply not enough to put up with the souless personality, sums up the game for me, I loved it, thought it was amazing but the more I played it the more I couldn't get past the hollowness of the world, it looked incredible but I wanted it to be alive
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Easily one of the most hollow open world titles I've ever played.

Half done.
 
Wait, this world doesn't even have a train/transport system?

I remember the one in GTA V sucking but not having one at all?
 
Putonahappyface said:
Don't forget those complementary official Cyberpunk 2077 chairs to sweeten the review score.

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lol I love how the yellow chair has now become synonymous with paid fake reviews.

Seems to be some suspect 10/10 with a game that launched with basically no AI. Anyone giving this game a 10/10 out of the gate is a reviewer to not trust lol

nkarafo nkarafo yea, that was unfortunately removed before launch. I'm sure it was barely made as it sounds like this game was never even suppose to launch in 2020 seeing how we are in 2022 and they are still lacking with updating those features. So...who knows when this game was really suppose to release.
 
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nkarafo said:
Wait, this world doesn't even have a train/transport system?

I remember the one in GTA V sucking but not having one at all?
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Nope. It was planned, then they announced it was being cut.

In game you could watch some trains clip through entire buildings, so at least there's that.
 
I'm playing it now after giving up about 7 hours in before. It's still kinda shitty tbh (ps5) driving and music suck acting is wooden combat is ok/bad skyrim style jank everywhere.
 
I waited until the recent patch to play it because I wanted to give them time to iron out the bugs. I played up until the point where
Jackie Dies
and I decided I'm going to wait until it's fully completed with all the dlc. I'm hoping by then it'll be what I always imagined
 
20m sales does mean 20m happy customers.

Whichever way you cut it, CDPR suffered a serious hit to its reputation with this game, and the majority of those unhappy customers and sales, were in the console space.
 
I must be the only one who gives 2 fucks about car combat and police system.

Gimme a complete rebalancing of the game and add some fucking challenge before anything, the game dance on the edge of super cakewalk kingdom hearts 3 tier...

As it is right now it's just a power fantasy.
 
Hugare said:
Shitty enemy AI, shitty pedestrian AI, city looks completely empty outside of downtown area, no side activities to immerse the player, no chases, no dynamic firefights between gangs and shit
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Every single point (side activites aside) is because they decided to make the game run on last gen. Bigly mistake.
 
Bernd Lauert said:
Every single point (side activites aside) is because they decided to make the game run on last gen. Bigly mistake.
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I'm not sure we can blame last gen for the game current status. Specially now that they dropped it, so what's keeping them now?

To their credit they did go all out graphically on PC and then tried to shoehorn the game logic into last gen consoles at the last minute and it wouldn't run properly. That said, if the game logic worked as it should on PC, I don't think things would have been cut from it. With the months that went by we've seen further cuts on PS4/Xbox One that weren't done on PC, after all.

PC was clearly lead platform, not consoles, the issue is that although things ran on PC, it was also full of bugs and development was rushed. When dealing with incomplete or full of bug implementations, decisions had to be made. The thing is for a No Man's Sky scenario they would have to have kept the resources locked in to implement everything they promised or expand on the original idea, and that's not what they'll do.

Also don't underestimate how tendentially buggy RED Engine is. It feels as everything is duck taped with that engine.

With Witcher 3 I both found it impressive and also felt sorry for the team. What a tour the force considering the technology (this has nothing to do with graphics, but the way scripting, sorting, loading on the engine clearly works - it's good looking but feels like mid 2000's tech). Cyberpunk being a more "vertically dense" game was like trying to sew things with boxing gloves on. And it came out way before it should have (and on hardware's it shouldn't had, not with the degree of optimization they had at that point, game logic wasn't lean enough).

I'd say the odds for this game being fixed and expanded would be better if Witcher 4 was also using a newer revision of the RED Engine, but we know it isn't.
 
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Everything is the result of hype.

The game was released too early because of hype, CDPR let themselves be pressured into it.

The game was nowhere nearly as bad as what people said, but gamers always have to hype up their butthurt.
 
Hugare said:
I disagree so much with this argument about "CDPR/Cyberpunk's redemption arch"

I love the game, since day one. Played it broken af on my PS4 for more than 90 hours. I play it on PC and PS5 to this day.

But it's such a far cry from what was promissed, to this day

They fixed tons of bugs, correct, but added so little to the core of the game. So much for being an example of next gen open world games.

Shitty enemy AI, shitty pedestrian AI, city looks completely empty outside of downtown area, no side activities to immerse the player, no chases, no dynamic firefights between gangs and shit

It's all smoke and mirrors, since day one. They added transmog, something that should've been there from day one. Some apartments. Some new weapons. Now NPCs don't get teleported when you look away, I guess.

This is not a No Man's Sky situation. Not even close.

Those 20 M copies are 13M from release, then the rest from some deep sales (I can find the game for R$ 40,00 here in Brazil, which is dirty cheap) and Cyberpunk Edgerunners hype, not because they have completely changed the game for the better. It's basically the same game since launch but with fixed bugs + transmog.
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exactly , the game was suposed to be much more
 
I'm on my fifth or sixth playthrough and first one since 1.4 patch. 1.5 and 1.6 introduced so much new stuff and fixes, game feels fresh even to someone like me, with 320+ hours on GOG and counting. I love this universe.
 
Love the game for what it is, however this was not what was promised.

This is not the same type of "redemption arch" that No Man's Sky has completed as I've seen some comments post. That type of arch was only completed over a large amount of time and effort. CDPR isn't even close to that at this point and have publicly stated that isn't going to happen.
 
Winter John said:
... I decided I'm going to wait until it's fully completed with all the dlc. I'm hoping by then it'll be what I always imagined
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You should just give up on the video game and play the table top RPG instead if those are the expectations going in. This still is and will always be a mass market product. It won't be tailored to hardcore gamers' dreams.
 
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